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Ainur is already qualified for 1A now since they have r>f transcendence over Eä and about Eru being Tier 0, he is already qualifies for Tier 0 according to Ultima's new Tier 0 system too so there's that.The paragraph above emphasizes that the original unbound Ainur, both Maiar and Valar, have certain control over the narrative standpoint of Tolkien's world and literature. This would put them at Low 1-A, aka Low Outerversal.
While indeed Ancalagon isn't directly mentioned, note that the winged dragons drove back the Host of the Valar, which was led by Eönwë and consisted of Edain, Calaquendi, and some Maiar (but no Valar). And the winged dragons, likely including Ancalagon, drove them back until Eärendil came in clutch. Therefore, this would make Ancalagon and his squad of winged dragons High 3-A, aka High Universal
Another reply I wanna make...
A certain individual on Quora expressed that some scalings of Eru Ilúvatar are inaccurate, and provided this as proof:
"The Other Power then took over: the Writer of the Story (by which I do not mean myself), 'that one ever-present Person who is never absent and never named'* (as one critic has said). See Vol. I p. 65. Actually referred to as 'the One' in App. A III p. 317 1. 20. The Númenóreans (and Elves) were absolute monotheists." - Don't know the precise source, but if anyone can find it, please let me know
So in summary, this states that Tolkien saw Eru as much as a creator and literary maker as himself, a real-life person. So in conclusion, this should make Eru Ilúvatar Tier 0, aka Boundless
And to continue this, I wanna also bring something up regarding the True Forms of the Ainur.
"They are ‘divine’, that is, were originally ‘outside’ and existed ‘before’ the making of the world. Their power and wisdom is derived from their Knowledge of the cosmogonical drama, which they perceived first as a drama (that is as in a fashion we perceive a story composed by someone else), and later as a ‘reality’. On the side of mere narrative device, this is, of course, meant to provide beings of the same order of beauty, power, and majesty as the ‘gods’ of higher mythology, which can yet be accepted – well, shall we say baldly, by a mind that believes in the Blessed Trinity." - THE SILMARILLION, FROM A LETTER BY J.R.R. TOLKIEN TO MILTON WALDMAN, 1951
The paragraph above emphasizes that the original unbound Ainur, both Maiar and Valar, have certain control over the narrative standpoint of Tolkien's world and literature. This would put them at Low 1-A, aka Low Outerversal.
That is probably fine then.While I am somewhat against scaling Ancalagon and co to every individual member of the Host (driving an army back doesn't require one to do anything more than beating back the majority, which would be tier 7 Elves), I do think scaling to High 3-A is reasonable enough.
Thorondor was stated to be part of the force that confronted the Winged Dragons and he was capable of leaving permanent scars on Morgoth's face (albeit a very diminished Morgoth).
That alone probably gets likely scaling since, while not outright stated, it's very likely Ancalagon was met by Thorondor at least once. Not a solid rating though. since only Eärendil and Ancalagon explicitly met.
"But Eärendil came, shining with white flame, and about Vingilot were
gathered all the great birds of heaven and Thorondor was their captain, and there was battle in the air all the day and through a dark night of doubt. Before the rising of the sun Eärendil slew Ancalagon the Black, the mightiest of the dragonhost, and cast him from the sky; and he fell upon the towers of Thangorodrim, and they were broken in his ruin."
Alright, good to know.Ainur is already qualified for 1A now since they have r>f transcendence over Eä and about Eru being Tier 0, he is already qualifies for Tier 0 according to Ultima's new Tier 0 system too so there's that.
They are older than the Ainur hence time applies to them. The Ainur had no age until they entered into Eä and thus time so all they need to be older than them is be here from before their descent date.Beyond-scientific/Multiversal Arda:
There are places, such as the pits of the Nameless Things, where the concept of Time is not valid, meaning that these places are beyond the very concept of Time:
«We fought far under the living earth, where time is not counted. Ever he clutched me, and ever I hewed him, till at last he fled into dark tunnels. They were not made by Durin’s folk, Gimli son of Glóin. Far, far below the deepest delvings of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things. Even Sauron knows them not. They are older than he. Now I have walked there, but I will bring no report to darken the light of day. In that despair my enemy was my only hope, and I pursued him, clutching at his heel. Thus he brought me back at last to the secret ways of Khazad-dum: too well he knew them all. Ever up now we went, until we came to the Endless Stair.’»
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of sentence structure, grammar, etc from the Quora.There are limitless and infinite extensions of Time and Space within Arda:
«It [The Lord of the Rings} was written slowly and with great care for detail, & finally emerged as a Frameless Picture: a searchlight, as it were, on a brief episode in History, and on a small part of our Middle-earth, surrounded by the glimmer of limitless extensions in time and space. (2)”
This may be not very helpful, but Arda was not even a Mathematical or Biological place, not even our physical sciences can not held Arda, no, it was a Narrative point in Ea:
«With regard to the relation of Arda to Ea, the assertion that the principal demiurgic Ainur (the Valar), including the originally greatest of all, Melkor, had taken up their 'residence' in Arda, ever since its establishment, also implies that however minute Arda was dramatically the chief point in Ea. These views are not mathematical or astronomical, or even biological, and so cannot be held necessarily to conflict with the theories of our physical sciences.»
With this scaling, Arda is a Multiverse, or a Narrative beyond our scientific theories.
Credit to Sandra Balderas on Quora for these scans
Which book is this scan from? Also reference the page too.«With regard to the relation of Arda to Ea, the assertion that the principal demiurgic Ainur (the Valar), including the originally greatest of all, Melkor, had taken up their 'residence' in Arda, ever since its establishment, also implies that however minute Arda was dramatically the chief point in Ea. These views are not mathematical or astronomical, or even biological, and so cannot be held necessarily to conflict with the theories of our physical sciences.»
Problem is I can't cuz the original scans didn't provide them to begin with. I could try Googling them if that worksWhich book is this scan from? Also reference the page too.
It's found in Morgoth's Ring underProblem is I can't cuz the original scans didn't provide them to begin with. I could try Googling them if that works
So you are saying that this quote is from morgoth's ring?It's found in Morgoth's Ring under
PART FOUR.
ATHRABETH FINROD AH ANDRETH.
«With regard to the relation of Arda to Ea, the assertion that the principal demiurgic Ainur (the Valar), including the originally greatest of all, Melkor, had taken up their 'residence' in Arda, ever since its establishment, also implies that however minute Arda was dramatically the chief point in Ea. These views are not mathematical or astronomical, or even biological, and so cannot be held necessarily to conflict with the theories of our physical sciences.»
I suppose so. We'll have to hear what Mr. Tyranno has to saySo you are saying that this quote is from morgoth's ring?
Yeah, I did a quick search and found the quote under there. Don't currently have enough time to say more than that though.So you are saying that this quote is from morgoth's ring?
So does this scale the valar and Maiar higher than High 3A and Low 2C in Eä?Yeah, I did a quick search and found the quote under there. Don't currently have enough time to say more than that though.
CTRL + F helps with stuff like this.
"It is certainly the case with the Elvish traditions that the prin- cipal part of Arda was the Earth (Imbar 'The Habitation'),(12) as the scene of the Drama of the war of the Valar and the Children of Eru with Melkor: so that loosely used Arda often seems to mean the Earth: and that from this point of view the function of the Solar System was to make possible the existence of Imbar. With regard to the relation of Arda to Ea, the assertion that the principal demiurgic Ainur (the Valar), including the originally greatest of all, Melkor, had taken up their 'residence' in Arda,(13) ever since its establishment, also implies that however minute Arda was dramatically the chief point in Ea. These views are not mathematical or astronomical, or even biological, and so cannot be held necessarily to conflict with the theories of our physical sciences. We cannot say that there 'must' be elsewhere in Ea other solar systems 'like' Arda, still less that, if there are, they or any one of them must contain a parallel to Imbar. We cannot even say that these things are mathematically very 'likely'. But even if the presence elsewhere in Ea of biological 'life' was demonstrable, it would not invalidate the Elvish view that Arda (at least while it endures) is the dramatic centre."So does this scale the valar and Maiar higher than High 3A and Low 2C in Eä?
Worlds like the imbar(earth) and other planets?There may be similar cosmological struggles with other incarnates and Ainur on other worlds
Possibly. Versions of his writing have some of the Ainur go off to make other worlds for example, and the Valar + Maiar were working on the overall universe before Arda.Worlds like the imbar(earth) and other planets?
I FINALLY found the source for this. It's from Letter #192"The Other Power then took over: the Writer of the Story (by which I do not mean myself), 'that one ever-present Person who is never absent and never named'* (as one critic has said). See Vol. I p. 65. Actually referred to as 'the One' in App. A III p. 317 1. 20. The Númenóreans (and Elves) were absolute monotheists." - Don't know the precise source, but if anyone can find it, please let me know
Yeah this is already being used as part of the R>F justification. Sorry I didn't respond to that, missed that request.I FINALLY found the source for this. It's from Letter #192
It's cool. So what are the scalings currently at as of now? I heard that it now scales to 1-A, but the wiki pages still say Low 1-C. I assume they haven't been unlocked yet or they haven't been edited yet?Yeah this is already being used as part of the R>F justification. Sorry I didn't respond to that, missed that request.
1-A R>F was accepted but has not been implemented into the system yet.It's cool. So what are the scalings currently at as of now? I heard that it now scales to 1-A, but the wiki pages still say Low 1-C. I assume they haven't been unlocked yet or they haven't been edited yet?
Weapon mastery yes, other stuff maybe.Oh and by the way, since Eönwë is labeled as the 'Greatest of Arms in Arda', wouldn't that give him Weapon Mastery? And since he's a Maia of Manwë, wouldn't Eönwë also have Air and Weather Manipulation just like Manwë does? And since his page also says he has some control over war, won't that also give him War Manipulation? (Ik that doesn't exist on the VSBW page, but it does in the Superpower Wiki)
Looks good to me.Individual Abilities: Part 1: Continued
Not too much exciting here, just generic additions, some of which might get removed later in a future racial abilities revision.
This is for tier 9 characters. The Nine are being saved for an "evil" revision while the Hobbits are kind of a topic in their own right. Shouldn't be much there but Frodo gets stuff from the One Ring (he can kinda actually use it at the end) and their stats might need changing.
Boromir:
Weapons Mastery: Somewhat comparable to Aragorn as the fellow "strongest warrior" of the Fellowship (as observed by Legolas and Frodo).
- Of the Fellowship, Boromir is compared to Aragorn in terms of his ability to slay orcs
"Legolas shot two through the throat. Gimli hewed the legs from under another that had sprung up on Balin’s tomb. Boromir and Aragorn slew many- Singlehandedly slays enough orcs and uruks that it forms a pile around him, although he is mortally wounded in the process. It is later revealed that he was facing over a hundred orcs
"A mile, maybe, from Parth Galen in a little glade not far from the lake he found Boromir. He was sitting with his back to a great tree, as if he was resting. But Aragorn saw that he was pierced with many black-feathered arrows; his sword was still in his hand, but it was broken near the hilt; his horn cloven in two was at his side. Many Orcs lay slain, piled all about him and at his feet." Then Boromir had come leaping through the trees. He had made them fight. He slew many of them and the rest fled. But they had not gone far on the way back when they were attacked again, by a hundred Orcs at least, some of them very large, and they shot a rain of arrows: always at Boromir.- Implied by Faramir to be the best warrior in Gondor, a kingdom that had grown to value skill in battle over other skills due to the demand of war
"...we still hold that a warrior should have more skills and knowledge than only the craft of weapons and slaying, we esteem a warrior, nonetheless, above men of other crafts. Such is the need of our days. So even was my brother, Boromir: a man of prowess, and for that he was accounted the best man in Gondor."
Limited Sound Manipulation: By blowing the Horn of Gondor, Boromir can unleash a sound that stuns and dismays enemies. Even the Balrog briefly stopped upon being confronted with it
Blessed: Although blessed to a lesser extent than Aragorn or even his brother and father, Boromir is noted to be of high Númenórean lineage. However, as the actual blessing is notably weakened, the four abilities it gives should either not be used or rated as a "possibly"
"The dark figure streaming with fire raced towards them. The orcs yelled and poured over the stone gangways. Then Boromir raised his horn and blew. Loud the challenge rang and bellowed, like the shout of many throats under the cavernous roof. For a moment the orcs quailed and the fiery shadow halted. Then the echoes died as suddenly as a flame blown out by a dark wind, and the enemy advanced again." Boromir had blown his great horn till the woods rang, and at first the Orcs had been dismayed and had drawn back; but when no answer but the echoes came, they had attacked more fiercely than ever.
Legolas
The Númenóreans before the Downfall were a people of great stature and strength, the Kings of Men; their full-grown men were commonly 7 ft. tall... Aragorn, his direct descendant, in spite of the many intervening generations, must still have been a very tall and strong man with a great stride; he was probably at least 6 ft. 6. Boromir, of high Númenórean lineage, would not be much shorter: say 6 ft. 4.- Of the blessings, Emapthic Manipulation should be missing as it is not really commented on, unlike with Aragorn or Faramir to a lesser extent. Telepathy should also be missing for a reason quoted below. The other three are as follows and are given details in the Aragorn proposal above.
- Enhanced Senses:
- Regeneration (Low):
- Resistance to Disease Manipulation:
- These should only be rated as "possibly" as the blessings are not said to run "nearly true" in him as his brother. Telepathy is a notable missing feature he lacks
‘He is not as other men of this time, Pippin, and whatever be his descent from father to son, by some chance the blood of Westernesse runs nearly true in him; as it does in his other son, Faramir, and yet did not in Boromir whom he loved best.
Interesting stuff like Elves being ambidextrous and able to walk atop snow without issue aside, there may be more stuff for Legolas that will emerge for a future race abilities page but that's for the future
Weapons Mastery: Prince of the Woodland Realms and the best archer in the Fellowship... a title which isn't that impressive but he's very good. He claims to be capable shooting Eomer before he can strike down Gimli. Eomer being described as one of the only 3 warriors skilled and lucky enough atthe Pelennor Fields not to be injured.
Immortality (Type 1, 4, and 8, possibly 5): Elves in LotR are utterly beyond death for as long as the "World" exists. While their bodies can die Elven souls persist in living unlike human ones who move on past the World upon bodily death. Note, most Elves can't seem to reincarnate/reembody without Ainuric intervention.
" Master Dwarf, if it stood but a little higher from the ground,’ said Eomer.
‘He stands not alone,’ said Legolas, bending his bow and fitting an arrow with hands that moved quicker than sight. ‘You would die before your stroke fell.’"- Skilled enough with a bow to shoot from very far distances while being impaired by the terror emitted by one of the Nine -
"[A] dark shape, like a cloud and yet not a cloud, for it moved far more swiftly, came out of the blackness in the South, and sped towards the Company, blotting out all light as it approached. Soon it appeared as a great winged creature, blacker than the pits in the night....
Suddenly the great bow of Lórien sang. Shrill went the arrow from the elven-string. Frodo looked up. Almost above him the winged shape swerved. There was a harsh croaking scream, as it fell out of the air, vanishing down into the gloom of the eastern shore. The sky was clean again. There was a tumult of many voices far away, cursing and wailing in the darkness, and then silence. Neither shaft nor cry came again from the east that night."- Only killed one less enemy than Gimli during their competition -
"‘Forty-two, Master Legolas!’ he cried. ‘Alas! My axe is notched: the forty-second had an iron collar on his neck. How is it with you?’ ‘You have passed my score by one,’ answered Legolas. ‘But I do not grudge you the game, so glad am I to see you on your legs!’"
Enhanced Senses: He's an Elf. Elves in general have sight rivalling the "instruments" we use to see into space. Legolas in particular can see things from beyond even Aragorn's enhanced sight. Their hearing is also beyond human hearing.
The doom of the Elves is to be immortal, to love the beauty of the world, to bring it to full flower with their gifts of delicacy and perfection, to last while it lasts, never leaving it even when 'slain', but returning – and yet, when the Followers come, to teach them, and make way for them, to 'fade' as the Followers grow and absorb the life from which both proceed. "...elvish 'immortality' (which is not eternal, but measured by the duration in time of Earth)" "They are therefore 'immortal'. Not 'eternally', but to endure with and within the created world, while its story lasts. When 'killed', by the injury or destruction of their incarnate form, they do not escape from time, but remain in the world, either discarnate, or being re-born." "The Elves were sufficiently longeval to be called by Man 'immortal'. But they were not unageing or unwearying. Their own tradition was that they were confined to the limits of this world (in space and time), even if they died, and would continue in some form to exist in it until 'the end of the world'. But what 'the end of the world' portended for it or for themselves they did not know (though they no doubt had theories)." "The 'Elves' are 'immortal', at least as far as this world goes: and hence are concerned rather with the griefs and burdens of deathlessness in time and change, than with death."
Extrasensory Perception: Only Legolas and Elrond's sons could perceive the dead
- Regarding sight
"For it is to the life of Arda (not Eä) which they are bound, and all their love is for Arda. Though [?of Lore] they may consider [?the matter] and having amazing sight they can see in the heavens things we cannot [?for need of] instruments." "The Quendian imagination of the shape of Arda and of the visible Heaven (Menel) above it, was due to the acute minds of a people endowed with sight far keener than the human norm."- Regarding Legolas' sight
"‘Look!’ cried Legolas, pointing up into the pale sky above them.
‘There is the eagle again! He is very high. He seems to be flying now away, from this land back to the North. He is going with great speed.
Look!’ ‘No, not even my eyes can see him, my good Legolas,’ said Aragorn."- He was capable of describing Edoras in great detail while situated far from the city to the point it was not visible to the others
"Before them stood the mountains of the South: white-tipped and streaked with black. The grass-lands rolled against the hills that clustered at their feet, and flowed up into many valleys still dim and dark, untouched by the light of dawn, winding their way into the heart of the great mountains. Immediately before the travellers the widest of these glens opened like a long gulf among the hills. Far inward they glimpsed a tumbled mountain-mass with one tall peak; at the mouth of the vale there stood like a sentinel a lonely height. About its feet there flowed, as a thread of silver, the stream that issued from the dale; upon its brow they caught, still far away, a glint in the rising sun, a glimmer of gold. ‘Speak, Legolas!’ said Gandalf. ‘Tell us what you see there before us!’ Legolas gazed ahead, shading his eyes from the level shafts of the new-risen sun. ‘I see a white stream that comes down from the snows,’ he said. ‘Where it issues from the shadow of the vale a green hill rises upon the east. A dike and mighty wall and thorny fence encircle it. Within there rise the roofs of houses; and in the midst, set upon a green terrace, there stands aloft a great hall of Men. And it seems to my eyes that it is thatched with gold. The light of it shines far over the land. Golden, too, are the posts of its doors. There men in bright mail stand; but all else within the courts are yet asleep.’"- Regarding hearing
For as Elvish sight and hearing were limited in range as ours are, and yet were keener and of greater range, so were their memories of things seen and heard.- Although Legolas seems to have somewhat inferior hearing to Aragorn -
"Before long there came the sound of hoofs, at first hardly more than a tremor of the ground perceptible only to Aragorn as he lay upon the grass, then growing steadily louder and clearer to a quick beat."
Magic: By virtue of his existence as an elf, Legolas is "magical" and potentially capable of "magic". This is more of an indexing ability than a relevant one for battles, although as Prince it is likely he could do some Elven magic, it is not ever demonstrated.
The Company now mounted again, and Gimli returned to Legolas. They rode in file, and evening came on and a deep blue dusk; and still fear pursued them. ‘The Dead are following,’ said Legolas. ‘I see shapes of Men and of horses, and pale banners like shreds of cloud, and spears like winter-thickets on a misty night. The Dead are following.’ ‘Yes, the Dead ride behind. They have been summoned,’ said Elladan.
Resistance to Illusion Creation: Usage of goetic magic that would be considered illusory to humans would be considered mere "artistic" works by Elves and Ainur, with the difference being as clear as fiction and life to their senses.
Letter 155: Their magia the Elves and Gandalf use (sparingly): a magia, producing real results (like fire in a wet ******) for specific beneficent purposes... Anyway, a difference in the use of 'magic' in this story is that it is not to be come by by 'lore' or spells; but is in an inherent power not possessed or attainable by Men as such "The feasting people were Wood-elves, of course. These are not wicked folk. If they have a fault it is distrust of strangers. Though their magic was strong, even in those days they were wary."
- Said Wood Elves, Legolas' people, had enchanted Thorin's party into sleep with elf-fires-
" Thorin had been caught much faster than they had. You remember Bilbo falling like a log into sleep, as he stepped into a circle of light? The next time it had been Thorin who stepped forward, and as the lights went out he fell like a stone enchanted... Consequently Thorin was angry at their treatment of him, when they took their spell off him and he came to his senses; and also he was determined that no word of gold or jewels should be dragged out of him"
Resistance to Fear Manipulation: Was unconcerned with the presence of the Army of the Dead when the Corsairs felt such fear that many of them accidentally killed themselves in panic.
"Their goetic effects are entirely artistic and not intended to deceive: they never deceive Elves (but may deceive or bewilder unaware Men) since the difference is to them as clear as the difference to us between fiction, painting, and sculpture, and 'life'."- Elven arts can be mistaken for "real" things by humans even without Elves intending to trick them -
"In any case indemmar were by Men mostly received in sleep (dream). If received when bodily awake they were usually vague and phantom-like (and often caused fear); but if they were clear and vivid, as the indemmar induced by Elves might be, they were apt to mislead Men into taking them as “real” things beheld by normal sight. Though this deceit was never [fn3] it was often by them [i.e., Men] intentional on the part of the Elves, believed to be."
Resistance to Death Manipulation: For as long as the world exists, Elves cannot experience "death" in the Legendarium in a meaningful way. As detailed in the immortality section, Legolas can have his body die but his soul won't move on but remain.
"Legolas said: ‘I will tell you enough for your peace; for I felt not the horror, and I feared not the shadows of Men, powerless and frail as I deemed them.’"- The Army of the Dead quote from earlier
"But the Haradrim, being now driven to the brink, turned at bay, and they were fierce in despair; and they laughed when they looked on us, for they were a great army still. ‘But Aragorn halted and cried with a great voice: ‘‘Now come! By the Black Stone I call you!’’ And suddenly the Shadow Host that had hung back at the last came up like a grey tide, sweeping all away before it. Faint cries I heard, and dim horns blowing, and a murmur as of countless far voices: it was like the echo of some forgotten battle in the Dark Years long ago. Pale swords were drawn; but I know not whether their blades would still bite, for the Dead needed no longer any weapon but fear. None would withstand them. ‘To every ship they came that was drawn up, and then they passed over the water to those that were anchored; and all the mariners were f illed with a madness of terror and leaped overboard, save the slaves chained to the oars. Reckless we rode among our fleeing foes, driving them like leaves, until we came to the shore. And then to each of the great ships that remained Aragorn sent one of the Du´nedain, and they comforted the captives that were aboard, and bade them put aside fear and be free. ‘Ere that dark day ended none of the enemy were left to resist us; all were drowned, or were flying south in the hope to find their own lands upon foot. Strange and wonderful I thought it that the designs of Mordor should be overthrown by such wraiths of fear and darkness. With its own weapons was it worsted!’"
Gimli
Weapons Mastery: He's a member of the Line of Durin, a skilled warrior, yada yada.
- Successfully kills one more Uruk than Legolas despite the elf having the advantage of a bow for the first half of the battle -
"Gimli ´ the dwarf. He had no helm, and about his head was a linen band stained with blood; but his voice was loud and strong. ‘Forty-two, Master Legolas!’ he cried. ‘Alas! My axe is notched: the forty-second had an iron collar on his neck. How is it with you?’ ‘You have passed my score by one,’ answered Legolas. ‘But I do not grudge you the game, so glad am I to see you on your legs!’"- Willingly jumps down upon a group of uruks and is capable of fighting them while conversing with Legolas -
"Orcs had crept like rats through the culvert through which the stream flowed out. There they had gathered in the shadow of the cliffs, until the assault above was hottest and nearly all the men of the defence had rushed to the wall’s top. Then they sprang out. Already some had passed into the jaws of the Deep and were among the horses, fighting with the guards. Down from the wall leapt Gimli with a fierce cry that echoed in the cliffs. ‘Khaza ˆd! Khaza ˆd!’ He soon had work enough. ‘Ai-oi!’ he shouted. ‘The Orcs are behind the wall. Ai-oi! Come, Legolas! There are enough for us both. Khazaˆd ai-me ˆnu!’"- Aragorn claims that he has never seen anyone use an axe as well as Gimli. Also has confidence Gimli can survive being overrun by Isengard's army -
"‘I do not know,’ said Aragorn. ‘I last saw him fighting on the ground behind the wall, but the enemy swept us apart.’ ‘Alas! That is evil news,’ said Legolas. ‘He is stout and strong,’ said Aragorn. ‘Let us hope that he will escape back to the caves. There he would be safe for a while. Safer than we. Such a refuge would be to the liking of a dwarf.’ ‘That must be my hope,’ said Legolas. ‘But I wish that he had come this way. I desired to tell Master Gimli that my tale is now thirty-nine.’ ‘If he wins back to the caves, he will pass your count again,’ laughed Aragorn. ‘Never did I see an axe so wielded.’"
Magic: By virtue of his existence as an Dwarf, Gimli is "magical" and potentially capable of "magic". This is more of an indexing ability than a relevant one for battles.
Letter 155: Their magia the Elves and Gandalf use (sparingly): a magia, producing real results (like fire in a wet ******) for specific beneficent purposes... Anyway, a difference in the use of 'magic' in this story is that it is not to be come by by 'lore' or spells; but is in an inherent power not possessed or attainable by Men as such "The dwarves of yore made mighty spells, While hammers fell like ringing bells In places deep, where dark things sleep, In hollow halls beneath the fells." "They beat on it, they thrust and pushed at it, they implored it to move, they spoke fragments of broken spells of opening, and nothing stirred."
Resistance to Corruption: The Dwarves were made after Morgoth had already corrupted much of Arda with his being, as such Aulë deliberately made them to be resistant to corruption
"And Aulë made the Dwarves even as they still are, because the forms of the Children who were to come were unclear to his mind, and because the power of Melkor was yet over the Earth; and he wished therefore that they should be strong and unyielding."- Even the Rings of Power have a limited effect on them, with it only inflaming their negative traits of greed
"None the less it may well be, as the Dwarves now believe, that Sauron by his arts had discovered who had this Ring, the last to remain free, and that the singular misfortunes of the heirs of Durin were largely due to his malice. For the Dwarves had proved untameable by this means. The only power over them that the Rings wielded was to inflame their hearts with a greed of gold and precious things, so that if they lacked them all other good things seemed profitless, and they were filled with wrath and desire for vengeance on all who deprived them." "The Dwarves indeed proved tough and hard to tame; they ill endure the domination of others, and the thoughts of their hearts are hard to fathom, nor can they be turned to shadows. They used their rings only for the getting of wealth; but wrath and an overmastering greed of gold were kindled in their hearts, of which evil enough after came to the profit of Sauron."
Faramir
Weapons Mastery: Described as a greater warrior than anyone in Rohan, even Eomer, and is a renowned Captain of Gondor, albeit martially inferior to his brother.
Blessed: Much like his father Denethor, Faramir's blessings nearly run true, albeit not as much as Aragorn.
"Faramir. ‘I also am a prisoner of the healers.’ He looked at her, and being a man whom pity deeply stirred, it seemed to him that her loveliness amid her grief would pierce his heart. And she looked at him and saw the grave tenderness in his eyes, and yet knew, for she was bred among men of war, that here was one whom no Rider of the Mark would outmatch in battle."
Social Influencing: He was capable of inspiring great love from his men, to the point that Beregond even fought Denethor to save his Captain. He is even able to keep his men and beasts together while the armies of Mordor are just behind them, albeit they scatter once things fall apart
Yet suddenly for Faramir his heart was strangely moved with a feeling that he had not known before. Here was one with an air of high nobility such as Aragorn at times revealed, less high perhaps, yet also less incalculable and remote: one of the Kings of Men born into a later time, but touched with the wisdom and sadness of the Elder Race.- He should thus have:
- Empathic Manipulation:
- Although Faramir's is far less notable and useful in combat. Mostly just gives off an air of Faramir being of high descent.
"‘Ah well, sir,’ said Sam, ‘you said my master had an Elvish air; and that was good and true. But I can say this: you have an air too, sir, that reminds me of, of – well, Gandalf, of wizards.’
‘Maybe,’ said Faramir. ‘Maybe you discern from far away the air of Nu´ menor. Good night!’" Yet suddenly for Faramir his heart was strangely moved with a feeling that he had not known before. Here was one with an air of high nobility such as Aragorn at times revealed, less high perhaps, yet also less incalculable and remote: one of the Kings of Men born into a later time, but touched with the wisdom and sadness of the Elder Race.- Enhanced Senses:
- Regeneration (Low):
- Resistance to Disease Manipulation:
- Telepathy
‘He is not as other men of this time, Pippin, and whatever be his descent from father to son, by some chance the blood of Westernesse runs nearly true in him; as it does in his other son, Faramir, and yet did not in Boromir whom he loved best.
He knew now why Beregond spoke his name with love. He was a captain that men would follow, that he would follow, even under the shadow of the black wings. "It drew now to evening by the hour, and the light was so dim that even far-sighted men upon the Citadel could discern little clearly out upon the fields, save only the burnings that ever multiplied, and the lines of fire that grew in length and speed. At last, less than a mile from the City, a more ordered mass of men came into view, marching not running, still holding together. The watchers held their breath. ‘Faramir must be there,’ they said.
‘He can govern man and beast. He will make it yet.’"
- He almost exceeds Gandalf's expectations in doing so -
"‘Is Faramir come?’ he asked. ‘No,’ said Gandalf. ‘But he still lived when I left him. Yet he is resolved to stay with the rearguard, lest the retreat over the Pelennor become a rout. He may, perhaps, hold his men together long enough, but I doubt it. He is pitted against a foe too great. For one has come that I feared.’"- The Soldiers of Gondor loved their Captain greatly, with most turning to sorrow upon seeing his dying body -
"The mounted knights returned, and at their rear the banner of Dol Amroth, and the Prince. And in his arms before him on his horse he bore the body of his kinsman, Faramir son of Denethor, found upon the stricken field. ‘Faramir! Faramir!’ men cried, weeping in the streets. But he did not answer, and they bore him away up the winding road to the Citadel and his father."- Beregond even turns traitor to try and save him -
"‘Burn him alive?’ said Gandalf. ‘What is this tale? Be quick!’ ‘Denethor has gone to the Tombs,’ said Pippin, ‘and he has taken Faramir, and he says we are all to burn, and he will not wait, and they are to make a pyre and burn him on it, and Faramir as well.
And he has sent men to fetch wood and oil. And I have told Beregond, but I’m afraid he won’t dare to leave his post: he is on guard... At last they came to Rath D´nen and hastened towards the House of the Stewards, loom ing in the twilight under its great dome.
‘Stay! Stay!’ cried Gandalf, springing forward to the stone stair before the door. ‘Stay this madness!’ For there were the servants of Denethor with swords and torches in their hands; but alone in the porch upon the topmost step stood Beregond, clad in the black and silver of the Guard; and he held the door against them. Two of them had already fallen to his sword, staining the hallows with their blood; and the others cursed him, calling him outlaw and traitor to his master."
It's an attribute of the Horn, every usage of it stuns the opponent. It isn't an inherently magical effect though, it's just really loud. I put limited to denote the fact it's quite literally just a loud horn.Sound Manip seems better as a possibly, I think it's entirely possible and even likely that the horn gave them pause for fear of some new strategy or what have you being unleashed (the Balrog's bit in particular doesn't seem to support the ability, at least).
Sounds good!Legolas' Immortality should be noted to be limited given death still restricts the Elves roughly as much as it does for practically everyone else, even if they're still around in some capacity. Or, at least, this is as it seems from the given quotes.
Death Manip resistance should be similarly noted as limited: his body can still "die".
Oh, it's not for the usage of magic, it's denoting their existence as "magical". In LotR magic can't exactly be learned, you're either born with the capability or not. You are either born magical or not.Only other thing I think to mention is that Magic should be a Possibly, if you're referring to the skill of spellcasting. Although their species may learn to do it, it seems very likely that these two (Legolas' and Gimli) didn't learn to do so, noting that LotR has pretty exhaustive lore about this sort of thing. So, I'd prefer "possibly".