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As much as I’d like to, I’d rather wait and see if all revisions can be done at once.
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Black Clover: Top & God Tiers CRT
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That doesn’t indicate it being hax, though, just that he needed to draw on that power again.
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What about Yuno, he damaging through Zagred Body, he has no Demon Power
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Spirit of Zephyr condensed Lumiere and Licht’s magic (which has the power of the underworld) into a weapon that can fight him. I think it’s chapter 208 or 209 where this is said.
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I don’t remember exactly but I think SoZ gathered the mana in the area which included licht and the FWK.
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Yeah, that’s what I was referring to.
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That’s still Black Divider, Asta just didn’t have control of it yet since he didn’t make it take shape and hold it there (and we know it’s an amp because he says “there’s too much power”)
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Zagred obviously isn’t made of magic so why would it be anti magic hax?
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Asta looking at licht, being inspired makes the black divider a stronger anti magic attack and at the end he using raw ap cmon guys what is happening
From my interp reading the ch i dont think its raw ap alone thats all. Use the same scaling different justification i agree
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Unless it can be proven that Zagred's heart is made of magic, it's a feat of raw AP, as magic nullification is the only hax involved in Anti-Magic.
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Man it was stated and shown that anti magic is needed to damage his heart, what more?
You are the one that needs to prove that the heart was not made of magic hence asta attack with anti magic did not matter. I mean, asta, yami, Nero, yuno, licht and lumiere literally stated they needed anti magic to end him.
So please bring scans that the heart was not made from magic so they were wrong
Thank you
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We don’t need to prove a negative. Meaning we don’t need to prove it isn’t made of magic. You need to prove the position. That it was made of magic. That is how the burden of proof works.
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Uhhmmm u said it wasn't anti magic that was the factor
Can you tell us why the author said it was anti.magic then?
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They said Anti-Magic may do it when Asta blocked Zagred’s spear, therefore it was most likely in reference to its ability to nullify Zagred’s magic. And again, the only way Anti-Magic would be the only way would be if Zagred’s heart was made of magic, which is a claim you’ve made yet haven’t proven.
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They needed anti magic to null the regen from zagred’s magic.
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That's notable too, since the regen was a pain in the ass for them. Overall, there is nothing to suggest that Black Divider slicing Zagred's heart was a hax feat, and it's leaning way more toward being a matter of Black Divider being stronger than Conquering Eon.
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So I believe he has been countered....pretty hard to say the least.
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Is it too late to say that I strongly disagree with the calculation method?
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Nah, it's not too late. You can give your premise.
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The calculation itself has already been accepted, so I'm not sure if this is the place to discuss the calc itself, since this is about the scaling of it.
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Well, watching the episode itself, I can't see how Asta would run at constant speed. Because there is something you need to perceive, Asta at the speed of 5 meters per second is faster than Noelle's broom, you can see this easily at 3:50, and as everyone knows, the broom in this context is a faster means of travel than walking. So, if the broom normally has a speed of less than 5 meters per second and it took less than 1 day to cross part of the country, why should we assume that it would take Asta 3 days at that extremely specific speed?
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I'm pretty sure Noelle was caught off-guard by Asta jumping off, which is why he was faster. This is notable because later in the episode, we see Noelle flying at a speed that would definitely be faster, so it's clear that Noelle wasn't going as fast as she could've in that moment for one reason or another. As for why it would be constant, he only starts to accelerate once he challenges Yuno to a race, so it's very fair to assume normally he'd move at that constant speed. It being "extremely specific" doesn't take away from the validity of it.
And again, I have my doubts as to whether a CRT about the scaling of a calc is the right place to discuss the methodology of the calc itself.
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I agree with this.
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Just one question, is the calculation based on the Lumiere statment about the Demon Licht? if yes, I remember that in the scan he doesn't confirm that the kingdom would be completely destroyed as the calculation suggest. Someone translate directly from Japanese and it was clearly confirmed that he would destroy it, or are they using Viz's scan?
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All translations of this moment suggest that Lumiere noted that even if he blocked the blast, the Clover Kingdom would be destroyed.
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I understand. I am accompanying Black Clover and I did not know that this statement was sufficient, since I have seen other statments like this being rejected in other verses. But it is good to know that it is accepted in Black Clover.
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The basis of the scale is a single calculation, so bruh
This does not change her flight speed.
Are you talking about at 10:46? At this moment she got 100% control of the broom (Noelle says that), so is irrelevant about the country calc. Also, see at 2:46, she was slower than Asta, this is her traveling speed
It is a race with the rival, so logically he runs faster at that moment
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Yes it would, actually, since Noelle wouldn't be focused on flying and thus, she'd slow down. Plus, she's slower in that moment due to having just regained control of her broom after she lost control just earlier.
What I'm saying with this is that you can't use the idea that normally a broom is faster than running here since Noelle isn't a normal case as a result of her lack of control.
This is actually exactly what I'm suggesting. We have a comparison for the speed Asta would normally run at to get there and the speed he would accelerate to when seriously running (like in a competition). Thus, we can use the former as an average speed for what he'd run at (which is what I calculated).
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Good lord...
The calc was accepted for a reason everything is justified and it looks good.
The calc was accepted for a reason everything is justified and it looks good.
Should probably be a Calc group discussion thread on its own. Although at this point you’ve combated his main arguments. So I don’t realize see the point of that anymore.
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Not only that, but I think I've addressed all the counterarguments as far as scaling is concerned.
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In fact, ignore this point. I forgot that Noelle had stopped the speed
Why? It is not what appears at 2:46. Asta is really moving much faster than Noelle when you compare both of them when they are running in the same perspective. No haven't given any very good reason so far for Noelle to move faster than Asta. Watch these scenes. Asta is obviously faster than the Noelle broom
You have calculated the speed of Asta running with Yuno
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People still think that calc members are omniscient lol. I will ask other staff members for their opinion if this is so omipotent and omiscient
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What I'm saying is that Noelle wouldn't be at full speed at the moment, due to having just lost control. We see later that she moves at the normal speed a mage with a broom should be moving at. Remember, Noelle can't really control her broom that well, so she's an anomaly compared to the average mage riding a broom.
No, this is when Asta initially starts running. Once he starts running, they chat a bit about going to Hage and then Asta challenges Yuno to a race. That's when Asta accelerates. I didn't calculate his speed after he accelerated, because that wouldn't make sense given that Asta wouldn't normally run that fast (since it's a race).
You'd need some much-needed context, so I'm not sure how well this would go over.
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This aged like fine wineLook at all them agreements
What could possibly go wrong
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Without failThis aged like fine wine
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