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Black Clover: Top & God Tiers CRT

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Pain_to12 said:
but literally stated that anti magic works against it?
how does anti magic work against something not magical??

it does tho, u havent debunked anythng so far
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It’s already been explained what is meant by this (again, not necessarily only Anti-Magic) and yes we have, you have just been ignoring it.
 
okay i am ready now i will soon drop all relevant scan and stop all these pointless claims
i dont know how to reduce image size so sorry about that beforehand
 
So we have this one which I already posted which is self explanatory but well as usual they wanna be spoonfed

Then we also have this zagred saying yuno magic can't hurt his heart but asta anti magic can
In the full context of this fight, yuno was guiding asta with his wind magic so he can tag zagred.

NOW TO THE MAIN SCANS
drum rolls

1.
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We have asta and yuno about to tag zagred, with yuno blocking his view and asta searing from behind zagred

2.
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As Asta was about to strike zagred heart, he reached the limit for his anti magic and hereby couldn't use anti magic and simply didnt damage zagred heart with your said black divider btw

3.
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Then Nero helped asta healed or sealed his damage so he can bring out his anti magic power again

4.
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Then in the last panel here you can see he brought out the anti magic power again

5.
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And here he sliced zagred with anti magic like butter

6.
So ******* yes it was anti magic asta used not the black divider lmao

Like.I said I am busy and can't keep replying but no way in hell asta is scaling to a hax
 
I’m just going to debunk your main scans with a single statement:

Base Asta isn’t strong enough to slice Zagred’s heart which is why he didn’t. Only Black Divider was capable of doing so. None of what you said actually suggests it’s the result of hax.

Also: Zagred saying Yuno can’t pierce his heart only further proves my statement because Yuno with Spirit of Zephyr has the same ability to kill devils that Anti-Magic does. He’s just not strong enough.
 
DragonGamerZ913 said:
I’m just going to debunk your main scans with a single statement:

Base Asta isn’t strong enough to slice Zagred’s heart which is why he didn’t. Only Black Divider was capable of doing so. None of what you said actually suggests it’s the result of hax.
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oh stfu, base asta was holding black divider but didnt do shii to him without anti magic
DragonGamerZ913 said:
Also: Zagred saying Yuno can’t pierce his heart only further proves my statement because Yuno with Spirit of Zephyr has the same ability to kill devils that Anti-Magic does. He’s just not strong enough.
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huh that was just me saying anti magic was what was needed as literally stated right there boss
 
DragonGamerZ913 said:
Characters that Upscale to High 6-B+ (430 teratons)
Basis for this: 50% Dark Triad scales far higher than Black Divider, as 50% Dante easily and casually overpowered 12 Asta's with Black Divider (the 12 Asta's came from Asta being duplicated by Gauche's Mirror Magic).
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Disagree on this. Agree on everything else
 
Pain_to12 said:
oh stfu, base asta was holding black divider but didnt do shii to him without anti magic
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The sword went back down to its normal size (not its size as Black Divider) when Asta returned to his normal state. It's not until Secre heals him that he uses Black Divider again.

Also, please refrain from using insults to try and get your message across.
 
Epsilon_R said:
Dude, Black Divider is Demon-Slayer (the sword) extended with Anti-Magic...
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but asta with black divider couldnt do jack shi to zagred and still needed anti magic
DragonGamerZ913 said:
The sword went back down to its normal size (not its size as Black Divider) when Asta returned to his normal state. It's not until Secre heals him that he uses Black Divider again.

Also, please refrain from using insults to try and get your message across.
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argue with the scans please, it was clearly shown its anti magic not black divider.
Pain_to12 said:
So we have this one which I already posted which is self explanatory but well as usual they wanna be spoonfed

Then we also have this zagred saying yuno magic can't hurt his heart but asta anti magic can
In the full context of this fight, yuno was guiding asta with his wind magic so he can tag zagred.

NOW TO THE MAIN SCANS
drum rolls

1.
Screenshot_20210526-124345.png


We have asta and yuno about to tag zagred, with yuno blocking his view and asta searing from behind zagred

2.
Screenshot_20210526-124353.png


As Asta was about to strike zagred heart, he reached the limit for his anti magic and hereby couldn't use anti magic and simply didnt damage zagred heart with your said black divider btw

3.
Screenshot_20210526-124411.png


Then Nero helped asta healed or sealed his damage so he can bring out his anti magic power again

4.
Screenshot_20210526-124423.png


Then in the last panel here you can see he brought out the anti magic power again

5.
Screenshot_20210526-124431.png

And here he sliced zagred with anti magic like butter

6.
So ******* yes it was anti magic asta used not the black divider lmao

Like.I said I am busy and can't keep replying but no way in hell asta is scaling to a hax
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i open the wrong images in new tab im so triggered hold up i need more time
 
Pain_to12 said:
but asta with black divider couldnt do jack shi to zagred and still needed anti magic

argue with the scans please, it was clearly shown its anti magic not black divider.
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For the first point: To prove that it was the result of Anti-Magic and not power, you'd need to prove that Zagred's heart is made of magic, which you have yet to proof.

For the second point: The point I made actually uses the second and fifth scans of your "main scans," as you see the difference in size of the Demon-Slayer Sword. When Asta is forced back to his normal form, it's back to its normal size. When Secre heals him, he uses Black Divider again by increasing the size and strength of his sword once more.
 
leaving this here the appetiser non controversial stuff like bleach reiatsu crush
this is establish in the BC world
Forcefield Creation (Mages with a large amount of Magic Power have a forcefield of Mana that naturally protects them from incoming attacks)
 
That needs to be reworded. What it was referring to is Vetto's ability to passively have a "forcefield" that stops weak magic attacks, and it's something done around the body. It's not relevant to Zagred's heart.
 
RoyGundam said:
You can't scale to 12x someone by casually stomping 12 copies of that person ... Generally that kind of scaling is not accepted
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That's not what's being done. If you're close enough, you can upscale to the start of the + portion of a tier (basically, the average point of it) if you're shown as far above the thing you're upscaling from. Since 50% Dante has shown to be far above Black Divider, I'm saying he should be upscaled to baseline High 6-B+

If I was doing a 12x multiplier I think he'd be High 6-A, which is a no 😂
 
joshpiece said:
At this point this is just comical. Do you even know what black divider is? 😂
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helps him bring out anti magic
DragonGamerZ913 said:
For the first point: To prove that it was the result of Anti-Magic and not power, you'd need to prove that Zagred's heart is made of magic, which you have yet to proof.
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why tf will i prove this, lol
literally stated anti magic is needed
let me tag antavisma to this, he should call n people to evaluate
DragonGamerZ913 said:
For the second point: The point I made actually uses the second and fifth scans of your "main scans," as you see the difference in size of the Demon-Slayer Sword. When Asta is forced back to his normal form, it's back to its normal size. When Secre heals him, he uses Black Divider again by increasing the size and strength of his sword once more.
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he used anti magic.
are you so freaking blind you cant read?
like in scan two has he was about to hit zagred with black divider and anti magic, he ran out of anit magic and used just the black divider and that didnt even scratch zagred

then in the latter scans, nero healed him, and she even stated he needs to bring out his anti magic after he healed him, then did the power of friendship stuff by screaming he needs to become a wizard king and asta brought out the anti magic again which he coated the black divider in and used against zagred which worked
scan 2 = asta and black divider without anti magic (results= nothing)
scan 5 = asta and black divider with anti magic (result= zagred gg)
 
DragonGamerZ913 said:
That's not what's being done. If you're close enough, you can upscale to the start of the + portion of a tier (basically, the average point of it) if you're shown as far above the thing you're upscaling from. Since 50% Dante has shown to be far above Black Divider, I'm saying he should be upscaled to baseline High 6-B+

If I was doing a 12x multiplier I think he'd be High 6-A, which is a no 😂
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Okay then. I didn't go through the post in that much detail. But how do you get 430 teraTon then ? Is it just from 50% Dante being superior to 320 teraTon Black divider ?
 
Pain_to12 said:
helps him bring out anti magic
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No, it's actually him putting more Anti-Magic into the sword to increase its size and power.
Pain_to12 said:
why tf will i prove this, lol
literally stated anti magic is needed
let me tag antavisma to this, he should call n people to evaluate
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You made the claim. You have to prove it. That's called the burden of proof.
Pain_to12 said:
he used anti magic.
are you so freaking blind you cant read?
like in scan two has he was about to hit zagred with black divider and anti magic, he ran out of anit magic and used just the black divider and that didnt even scratch zagred

then in the latter scans, nero healed him, and she even stated he needs to bring out his anti magic after he healed him, then did the power of friendship stuff by screaming he needs to become a wizard king and asta brought out the anti magic again which he coated the black divider in and used against zagred which worked
scan 2 = asta and black divider without anti magic (results= nothing)
scan 5 = asta and black divider with anti magic (result= zagred gg)
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First off, he didn't run out of Anti-Magic. His body was at its limit and couldn't handle the strain of using Black Divider, that is until Secre healed him.
Scan 2: Asta's body reaches its limit and he returns to his normal state, and the Demon-Slayer sword goes back to its normal size. He can't do anything because he's not powerful enough without Black Divider to kill Zagred.
Scan 5: Secre heals Asta's physical damage and it enables him to use Black Divider again, which lets him kill Zagred by slicing his heart.
 
RoyGundam said:
Okay then. I didn't go through the post in that much detail. But how do you get 430 teraTon then ? Is it just from 50% Dante being superior to 320 teraTon Black divider ?
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Basically, yeah. 430 teratons is baseline Large Country level+, and you're allowed to upscale like that if you can prove that Person A is far superior to Person B (in this case, 50% Dante being far superior to Black Divider)
 
DragonGamerZ913 said:
No, it's actually him putting more Anti-Magic into the sword to increase its size and power.
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yes with anti magic
DragonGamerZ913 said:
You made the claim. You have to prove it. That's called the burden of proof.
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i already proved everythng please provide your scans cause my scans clearly showed anti magic and says so multple times
DragonGamerZ913 said:
First off, he didn't run out of Anti-Magic. His body was at its limit and couldn't handle the strain of using Black Divider, that is until Secre healed him.
Scan 2: Asta's body reaches its limit and he returns to his normal state, and the Demon-Slayer sword goes back to its normal size. He can't do anything because he's not powerful enough without Black Divider to kill Zagred.
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yes he could no longer bring out anti magic which he needs hence didnt do shii to zagred, but change of story when he could use anti magic tho.
 
DragonGamerZ913 said:
Basically, yeah. 430 teratons is baseline Large Country level+, and you're allowed to upscale like that if you can prove that Person A is far superior to Person B (in this case, 50% Dante being far superior to Black Divider)
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Okay then, I have no disagreements
 
Pain_to12 said:
yes with anti magic
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It increases the power of the sword, though.
Pain_to12 said:
i already proved everythng please provide your scans cause my scans clearly showed anti magic and says so multple times
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Your scans have shown nothing of the sort and only have contributed to the idea that Black Divider worked because it was stronger than other underworld-affecting attacks. Hell, when Asta first loses control of his sword, he flat out says "There's too much power!"
Pain_to12 said:
yes he could no longer bring out anti magic which he needs hence didnt do shii to zagred, but change of story when he could use anti magic tho.
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Not because he ran out, but because his body hit its limit. It couldn't handle the strain. This is not an Anti-Magic issue, it's a physical issue.
 
DragonGamerZ913 said:
It increases the power of the sword, though.
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still with anti magic
DragonGamerZ913 said:
Your scans have shown nothing of the sort and only have contributed to the idea that Black Divider worked because it was stronger than other underworld-affecting attacks. Hell, when Asta first loses control of his sword, he flat out says "There's too much power!"
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still anti magic (hax)
DragonGamerZ913 said:
Not because he ran out, but because his body hit its limit. It couldn't handle the strain. This is not an Anti-Magic issue, it's a physical issue.
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yes then he had no anti magic couldnt do shii to zagred, then was healed boom called out anti magc, zagred sliced
 
What makes Anti-Magic hax in regards to slicing Zagred's heart?
 
joshpiece said:
Pain_to12 said:
So we have this one which I already posted which is self explanatory but well as usual they wanna be spoonfed

Then we also have this zagred saying yuno magic can't hurt his heart but asta anti magic can
In the full context of this fight, yuno was guiding asta with his wind magic so he can tag zagred.

NOW TO THE MAIN SCANS
drum rolls

1.
Screenshot_20210526-124345.png


We have asta and yuno about to tag zagred, with yuno blocking his view and asta searing from behind zagred

2.
Screenshot_20210526-124353.png


As Asta was about to strike zagred heart, he reached the limit for his anti magic and hereby couldn't use anti magic and simply didnt damage zagred heart with your said black divider btw

3.
Screenshot_20210526-124411.png


Then Nero helped asta healed or sealed his damage so he can bring out his anti magic power again

4.
Screenshot_20210526-124423.png


Then in the last panel here you can see he brought out the anti magic power again

5.
Screenshot_20210526-124431.png

And here he sliced zagred with anti magic like butter

6.
So ******* yes it was anti magic asta used not the black divider lmao

Like.I said I am busy and can't keep replying but no way in hell asta is scaling to a hax
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BUT ASTA USED ANTI MAGIC
joshpiece said:
Just ignore him he’s not going to concede and it’s just going to go in a circle. He’s clearly wrong.
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