Black clover speed problems with mftl calc and light speed statement

[SunDaGamer]

Yeah, the op is still an argument from incredulity with no actual evidence that what Yuno did was an outlier. We don't scale speed linearly with AP via multipliers, that goes for both this proposal and the MFTL+ multiplier stacking proposal. Nothing in the op limits what Post-Timeskip Yuno can do because saying something like "he's only been calced and then scaled to get a little faster than x value in this arc therefore he can't get this much stronger after y amount of time in the next arc" doesn't actually prove that Yuno can't get boosted by that much. Authors aren't gonna be looking at the scaling other people have done and then decided the exact magnitude of powerups based on that, we literally have verse like Dragon Ball jumping whole tiers from 8-B to 5-C because of that regardless of training time and previous stat amps.

Narratively, the Yuno we're seeing right now is the best version of him out of all of Lucius's visions. To the point that in just 15 months he surpassed the version of himself that would've been training with Star Magic his whole life. We even have Yami being astonished at his growth rate and Vangeance giving up his title as Captain to Yuno after seeing what Yuno's Base form can do.

 

[Vzearr]

The entire Yuno feat makes no sense tbh. I mean, is it not contradictory panel wise ? In one panel the light's already reached buildings but in the next its all magically teleported back up to Yuno's barrier ?

 

[CloverDragon03]

No, it hadn’t reached the buildings yet, it just got close

 

[Vzearr]

No, it hadn’t reached the buildings yet, it just got close

This is just a blatant lie lol. Do I really have to bust out paint for this ?

 

[Deceived3596]

This is just a blatant lie lol. Do I really have to bust out paint for this ?

Stop asking rhetorical questions and just substantiate your point dude, stop being passive aggressive to literally everyone you debate against. You did this with Arcker, now you're doing this with Clover. It's goofy.

 

[CloverDragon03]

This is just a blatant lie lol. Do I really have to bust out paint for this ?

If it’s so blatant then substantiate it rather than speaking so passive-aggressively

 

[Vzearr]

Stop asking rhetorical questions and just substantiate your point dude, stop being passive aggressive to literally everyone you debate against. You did this with Arcker, now you're doing this with Clover. It's goofy.

Bringing up Arcker like he wasn't blatantly more disrespectful then me in the debate is funny. I just hate how I have to prove things that should be obvious.

The blue line is roughly where Yunos barrier is. The orange circles are where the very clear light rays are.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Bringing up Arcker like he wasn't blatantly more disrespectful then me in the debate is funny. I just hate how I have to prove things that should be obvious.

The blue line is roughly where Yunos barrier is. The orange circles are where the very clear light rays are.

You seem to not understand how perspective works. The lights you circled haven't reached the buildings they're just behind the front shot

 

[CloverDragon03]

The fact that Yuno’s barrier was able to deflect them inherently means they haven’t reached anything yet. Also, perspective differences

 

[Luci5678]

(It's still a sweep of disagree) but sure

then say contentions so we can chat about it

 

[Vzearr]

You seem to not understand how perspective works. The lights you circled haven't reached the buildings they're just behind the front shot

I understand how it works very well. The light is very clearly below where Yuno's barrier is no matter the perspective.

The fact that Yuno’s barrier was able to deflect them inherently means they haven’t reached anything yet.

No, it means Yuno deflecting them before they move 6 meters is a contradiction.

 

[CloverDragon03]

The narrative purpose of this is that Yuno deflected every laser. Ignoring that to claim a “contradiction” isn’t a strong argument to me

 

[Vzearr]

The narrative purpose of this is that Yuno deflected every laser. Ignoring that to claim a “contradiction” isn’t a strong argument to me

Is this seriously the route you want to go down ? Bringing up completely different points to my argument ?

Its simple, the light moving only 6 meters whilst Yuno moves 100's of meters is contradictory according to panels before hand where the light is clearly below his barrier. The distances are contradictory meaning finding a true distance would be better, lowballed.

 

[CloverDragon03]

You continue to assert “contradiction” over the same thing I’m already addressing. It’s not a completely different point

 

[Luci5678]

Yeah, the op is still an argument from incredulity with no actual evidence that what Yuno did was an outlier. We don't scale speed linearly with AP via multipliers, that goes for both this proposal and the MFTL+ multiplier stacking proposal. Nothing in the op limits what Post-Timeskip Yuno can do because saying something like "he's only been calced and then scaled to get a little faster than x value in this arc therefore he can't get this much stronger after y amount of time in the next arc" doesn't actually prove that Yuno can't get boosted by that much. Authors aren't gonna be looking at the scaling other people have done and then decided the exact magnitude of powerups based on that, we literally have verse like Dragon Ball jumping whole tiers from 8-B to 5-C because of that regardless of training time and previous stat amps.

Narratively, the Yuno we're seeing right now is the best version of him out of all of Lucius's visions. To the point that in just 15 months he surpassed the version of himself that would've been training with Star Magic his whole life. We even have Yami being astonished at his growth rate and Vangeance giving up his title as Captain to Yuno after seeing what Yuno's Base form can do.

just saying that it doesnt count as an outlier isnt an argument

and yes I proved narratively the characters in the series dont get 400x jumps

and the rest of what u said is irrelevant

and if u dont contend the first part the second isnt even ls at all

 

[Tatsumi504]

I understand how it works very well. The light is very clearly below where Yuno's barrier is no matter the perspective.

You clearly don't and no it's not. If you look at the image again, the origin point for said lights that are already touching the buildings according to you is lower than the one's away from the building.
It is drawn that way to indicate depth as the angels are circling the kingdom, further proven by the fact said lights are faint compared to the one's in front. Furthermore the line you solely drew to indicate the location of Yuno's barrier does not solely determine where the barrier is. Frankly, that lin can't represent the barrier anyway cause with no depth we won't be able to see it. You're just dragging out a point that's obvious

 

[CloverDragon03]

Quite frankly, if this is how it’s gonna go, I’m just gonna ask a Thread Mod to close this. The thread’s already been nigh-unanimously rejected. Counterpoints are constantly being reduced by the side in support of the downgrade to appear less strong than they are, and said side continues to assert claims as “true” or “proven” despite the only support toward this being personal opinion and headcanon.

Having reread the relevant BC chapters, I don’t see anything that really proves the OP’s point.

 

[Vzearr]

You continue to assert “contradiction” over the same thing I’m already addressing. It’s not a completely different point

You've adressed literally nothing ? You just said "Oh the narrative said so, so you're wrong !".

Quite frankly, if this is how it’s gonna go, I’m just gonna ask a Thread Mod to close this. The thread’s already been nigh-unanimously rejected. Counterpoints are constantly being reduced by the side in support of the downgrade to appear less strong than they are, and said side continues to assert claims as “true” or “proven” despite the only support toward this being personal opinion and headcanon.

Strawmanning.

Fallacy Fallacy.

Not good looks.

 

[CloverDragon03]

You've adressed literally nothing ? You just said "Oh the narrative said so, so you're wrong !".

If the laser had already reached the building, how would Yuno have been able to deflect it? The fact that he can deflect it means it didn’t reach it. And again, perspective can make things appear wonky.

Strawmanning.

Fallacy Fallacy.

Not good looks.

I’m just commenting on what’s been going on in this thread. Quite frankly, it could’ve been closed a long time ago. Sorry to say, but I can only be so patient.

 

[Vzearr]

If the laser had already reached the building, how would Yuno have been able to deflect it?

By contradiction. The feat contradicts itself making it unstable to use.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Strawmanning.

Fallacy Fallacy.

Not good looks.

just saying that it doesnt count as an outlier isnt an argument

and yes I proved narratively the characters in the series dont get 400x jumps

and the rest of what u said is irrelevant

When the op's counterarguments can be boiled down to "I'm right, you're wrong" for the past 4 pages I don't see why this thread should stay up

 

[CloverDragon03]

By contradiction. The feat contradicts itself making it unstable to use.

Or, it’s just that the laser never reached the building to begin with. I see no contradiction in Yuno stopping a laser before it hits a building.

 

[CloverDragon03]

When the op's counterarguments can be boiled down to "I'm right, you're wrong" for the past 4 pages I don't see why this thread should stay up

Pretty much this. I think I’mma ask a Thread Mod to close this

 

[Luci5678]

Quite frankly, if this is how it’s gonna go, I’m just gonna ask a Thread Mod to close this. The thread’s already been nigh-unanimously rejected. Counterpoints are constantly being reduced by the side in support of the downgrade to appear less strong than they are, and said side continues to assert claims as “true” or “proven” despite the only support toward this being personal opinion and headcanon.

Having reread the relevant BC chapters, I don’t see anything that really proves the OP’s point.

do u even know what a logical line of reasoning is and its not head cannon and it needs to be addressed the only thing ur doing is assuming that it is

 

[Vzearr]

When the op's counterarguments can be boiled down to "I'm right, you're wrong" for the past 4 pages I don't see why this thread should stay up

Similar can be said for clovers arguments.

Or, it’s just that the laser never reached the building to begin with. I see no contradiction in Yuno stopping a laser before it hits a building.

Well then you're arguing from incredulity.

 

[Luci5678]

When the op's counterarguments can be boiled down to "I'm right, you're wrong" for the past 4 pages I don't see why this thread should stay up

so u dont haver any arguments then okay

why should my thread be taken down because u dont have arguments besides ur feelings?

 

[SunDaGamer]

so u dont haver any arguments then okay

why should my thread be taken down because u dont have arguments besides ur feelings?

Brother you didn't even actually argue why any of my points were invalid other than "well this is irrelevant because I said so"

 

[CloverDragon03]

You’ve been given arguments. Multiple times. Just because you personally reduce said arguments to just “feelings,” doesn’t mean that’s what they actually are

 

[Vzearr]

This entire feat is contradictory with the distances and I'm yet to hear an argument other then "nah its not because the narrative said so".

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

This seems to have gone to shit, and was thoroughly rejected by seemingly everyone. Closing.