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Major EarthBound Revisions Part I: Cosmology and Stat Revisions
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Took a while to read through it. It's a bit iffy in scaling, but is mostly good.
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I agree for the most part, not sure if the characters should scale to the player or not
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Nobody is scaling except for Dark Dragon. They're just in the same tier as them.
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The only people directly scaling to the Player is Dark Dragon who Itoi directly stated if Dark Dragon destroyed everything he wouldn't be able to write that ending because he would be killed and Truth because they're completely unaffected by the Dark Dragon's reset.
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What I meant to say was why would the guys like Gygas and Ness be low 1-C? I read the reasoning, but it seems like they would be 2-A possibly low 1-C
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Ness scales because they have a part of TotU absorbed, who is a 5D being. Giygas upscales from that, so the tiering is fine.
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Hmmm, seems a little sus, but okay
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The idea is that Ness absorbed a small fraction of the Truth of the Universe and would therefore be Low 1-C but to a much lesser degree. Giygas obviously scales above Ness due to being vastly superior.
Edit: Ninja'd by Ploz
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amogus??!! imposter?
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Mainly just my opinion, don’t really mind low 1-C Earthbound though
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Okay, finished reading all of this, and I only have some things to say:
Magicant being something that can be done by most of the cast should be listed in the verse page if it's not going to be listed on profiles to avoid unecessary clutter.
I'm not sure on using a manga for pushing the verse to 2-A in size given the canonicity never being given, and we're pretty strict on that from my experience, so with no statement it's most likely best to just not take it as something that happened in the same cosmology unless there's something to support doing so, especially given that it wasn't supervised by Itoi to consider it as a kind of secondary canon.
Ness doesn't have an immeasurable age, it seems to just be as old as the universe or so, unless I'm missing something. This probably also applies to Mother 2 Gyigas.
May I ask why exactly the Immeasurable on Lifting Strength? Unknown may be better if the problem is a lack of details. This probably also applies to Mother 2 Gyigas as well.
Gyigas gender should just be "None, referred to as male" or so, that's a common thing that happens on many series (Use he/she on a character that technically has no gender) and this is how it's treated unless he's explicitly male or so.
I agree on everything else, including tier 1.
Magicant being something that can be done by most of the cast should be listed in the verse page if it's not going to be listed on profiles to avoid unecessary clutter.
I'm not sure on using a manga for pushing the verse to 2-A in size given the canonicity never being given, and we're pretty strict on that from my experience, so with no statement it's most likely best to just not take it as something that happened in the same cosmology unless there's something to support doing so, especially given that it wasn't supervised by Itoi to consider it as a kind of secondary canon.
Ness doesn't have an immeasurable age, it seems to just be as old as the universe or so, unless I'm missing something. This probably also applies to Mother 2 Gyigas.
May I ask why exactly the Immeasurable on Lifting Strength? Unknown may be better if the problem is a lack of details. This probably also applies to Mother 2 Gyigas as well.
Gyigas gender should just be "None, referred to as male" or so, that's a common thing that happens on many series (Use he/she on a character that technically has no gender) and this is how it's treated unless he's explicitly male or so.
I agree on everything else, including tier 1.
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These upgrades look fine to apply, i'm ok with Tier 1
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Sorry, I suppose I should've been a little bit more specific. Ness exists throughout time in the universe due to being its conscious mind, and since he encompasses every point in time you can't really apply an age to him. The same applies to Giygas, he is a universe as well and is shown to transcend time in a similar manner. Lifting strength is immeasurable due to Ness's true form being a higher dimensional being, though if this reasoning is wrong we can always just cross it out. In regards to the Magicant thing, I would be okay with that. Thank you for taking the time to read through the CRT and reply.
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following for now
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Bobsican
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His age being specified to just be omnipresent temporally speaking can be done, but it being specified like "Immeasurable (X exists across all time)" can work to keep stuff clear.
And the Lifting Strength stuff is fine in that case.
TyranoDoom30
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1-A when?
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When I die and Quirky takes over the verse.
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off to make vile immortal with all types cept for type 7
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Seems fine
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I do not agree 2A the universe is created infinitely, it does not seem to me 2A only 2B and less manga low 1C seems more metacommentary like arale killing toribot or I do not see how we can take that as a canon much as an interpretation porki it seems more something of our own
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Low 1-C seems fine to me, I just think that 2-A is iffy, eh
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I'm not sure what there is to disagree with here. The 2-A literally says, “Such differing worlds are constantly being born, and they exist parallel to each other infinitely.” The part about them being born is explaining how they come into existence; it's not saying they are born over an infinite period of time like how ad infinitum works. The sentence is just "Hey, the timelines are made like this, and there are this many of them here."
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I don't see how this is 2-B, that's not meta commentary, it is consistently apart of the plot that The Player and the Real World exist to the point that even the Dark Dragon can affect and destroy it in Mother 3 if awakened by Claus. Arale is a complete and utter false equivalence as Tori Bot is consistently beaten up on by his own creations while us, The Player can casually kill Giygas and has shown that his physical form cannot interact with the earthbound reality and he needs to make a form in it as shown in Mother 3's ending, along with this the developers cannot even interact with the reality with their physical forms and need to possess a being in the world.
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Know what
**** it I agree with the upgrades!
**** it I agree with the upgrades!
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As someone involved and while I was reluctant on certain parts here and there, I will officially approve of this. But it appears a big upgrade will need more staff input.
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I agree since I was in the development in the CRT
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Based as ****.
Agree for the most part, ain't touching that reality/game shit though.
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Well since Styrm has a Ruv pfp and not Sarv, I disagree.
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Agree with Blaze FRA
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Give me your computer
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Cracks fingers
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Someone, call Ultima
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I swear imma give you an attitude adjustment
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