Doomguy vs Harry Potter

[Abstractions]

No it’s not it’s average.

I wouldn't call potential death by bisection or decapitation average for Type 2, a lot of Type 2s will survive those things.

 

[DTG499]

He survived wounds that would have meant certain death for everyone else. That’s average type 2

 

[Realjackthegamer312]

He survived wounds that would have meant certain death for everyone else. That’s average type 2

what are these wounds?

 

[Abstractions]

He survived wounds that would have meant certain death for everyone else. That’s average type 2

Vague, and not really countering what I said.

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

Oh noes

@Realjackthegamer312

I’ve already counted the votes

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

Vague, and not really countering what I said.

I don’t believe it’s even relevant since Harry has dura negging spells that doomguy will dodge.

 

[Abstractions]

I don’t believe it’s even relevant since Harry has dura negging spells that doomguy will dodge.

Stuff like Inflatus has no sort of travel time.

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

would he even start with it tho?

 

[Abstractions]

would he even start with it though

He doesn't necessarily need to, Doomguy cannot break through shield charms.

 

[DTG499]

Vague, and not really countering what I said.

That quote can range from losing blood or getting your head chopped off losing all limbs and organs. In the context of what doom means to certain death, it would be average.

 

[DTG499]

Does Harry open with dura neg spells? Don’t think he does

 

[Abstractions]

Does Harry open with dura neg spells? Don’t think he does

Most of his offensive spells can negate durability to an extent or incapacitate.

Again, he doesn't need to lead with it when Doomguy can't break Protego.

That quote can range from losing blood or getting your head chopped off losing all limbs and organs. In the context of what doom means to certain death, it would be average.

Given how extremely vague the statement is and based on how Doomguy can be killed within the game, we can assert that the Type 2 is fairly weak, if anything it could be attributed to willpower and not actual immortality.

 

[DTG499]

Given how extremely vague the statement is and based on how Doomguy can be killed within the game, we can assert that the Type 2 is fairly weak, if anything it could be attributed to willpower and not actual immortality.

Using game mechanics to justify your reasoning? Come on now. Wounds than mean certain death is pretty straightforward.

 

[DTG499]

Most of his offensive spells can negate durability to an extent or incapacitate.

Again, he doesn't need to lead with it when Doomguy can't break Protego.

Don’t see how protego is useful in anyway

 

[Abstractions]

Don’t see how protego is useful in anyway

The Shield Charm protects against magic and physical forces, which is currently rated at High 8-C durability.

 

[Abstractions]

Using game mechanics to justify your reasoning? Come on now. Wounds than mean certain death is pretty straightforward.

Are you trying to imply death in a video game is simply mechanics? Are we to directly assume from this that Doomguy cannot die at all despite that going against the very game itself?

It isn't straightforward and could mean many things, don't be deliberately obtuse, please.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Don’t see how protego is useful in anyway

A High 8-C forcefield that Doomguy can't break through with his 9-A weaponry.

 

[Realjackthegamer312]

Also harry has teleportation via apparition with and without the wand, and it is so in-character for him to use it.

so even without stamina, harry just teleports around.

 

[Realjackthegamer312]

also pretty sure speed equalization equalizes attack speed as well

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

I thought I restricted high 8-C shit by landing them at 9-A?

 

[DTG499]

A High 8-C forcefield that Doomguy can't break through with his 9-A weaponry.

Ok doomguy cooks him up with the heat from the plasma rifle.

 

[DTG499]

Are you trying to imply death in a video game is simply mechanics? Are we to directly assume from this that Doomguy cannot die at all despite that going against the very game itself?

It isn't straightforward and could mean many things, don't be deliberately obtuse, please.

Yes because in the lore it said he pushed through any and all wounds he got even the ones that meant certain death, lore over gameplay that’s how it works. And you’re calling me obtuse?

It was multiple certain death wounds that kept increasing over the years that he was on Sentinel Prime. That never got healed

 

[Realjackthegamer312]

I thought I restricted high 8-C shit by landing them at 9-A?

That sounds unaccurate af

 

[DTG499]

I mean if he let them use all equipment doomguy would just nuke Harry with the BFG and it would be a wrap

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

obtuse

That sounds unaccurate af

i specifically stated up to 9-A only

 

[ShivaShakti]

Ok doomguy cooks him up with the heat from the plasma rifle.

Pretty sure the forcefield handles that as well.

 

[ShivaShakti]

obtuse

i specifically stated up to 9-A only

Well Harry's shield doesn't have a 9-A rating.

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

so it’s restricted then

 

[ShivaShakti]

so it’s restricted then

Then this match likely can't be added

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

I thought you could restrict anything that skipped tiers?

It’s why Doomguy can’t use his BFG in 9-B matches despite it being an important part of his arsenal

 

[ShivaShakti]

I thought you could restrict anything that skipped tiers?

It’s why Doomguy can’t use his BFG in 9-B matches despite it being an important part of his arsenal

Correct me if i'm wrong but

From what i'm aware, if you're banning a particular hax or ability from a character it usually can't be added. In this case, Doomguy's BFG is a weapon, whereas Harry's shield is an innate part of his powerset.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Standard Equipment and Abilities are treated one and the same in vs debating

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

so can it be restricted or nah?

 

[DTG499]

Pretty sure the forcefield handles that as well.

Not the level of doom heat. It has a very specific high heat level. Harry would need to showcase that he can resist heat that can vaporize demons that causally live in lava.

 

[Abstractions]

Yes because in the lore it said he pushed through any and all wounds he got even the ones that meant certain death, lore over gameplay that’s how it works. And you’re calling me obtuse?

This is a leap and a stretch, based on what we have it's incredibly vague and everyone else would admit to that because we have no clue what these wounds meant. This isn't even an example of lore over gameplay and rather death still being an option.

Unless you can show me what wounds he got or have it go into actual detail, we will have no idea to what extent this means, so yes, I am calling you obtuse.

It was multiple certain death wounds that kept increasing over the years that he was on Sentinel Prime. That never got healed

Where is the evidence that Doomguy never healed? As he looks perfectly fine when we view him in any game within the series.

The statement itself attributes Doomguy not dying to his willpower:

"We watched as his will overcame his injuries, and in the Blood Arena he proved his worth."

If we don't know the extent of the wounds, how can we treat this immortality with a solid rating and not take it as a Willpower or Stamina feat?

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

This is a leap and a stretch, based on what we have it's incredibly vague and everyone else would admit to that because we have no clue what these wounds meant. This isn't even an example of lore over gameplay and rather death still being an option.

Unless you can show me what wounds he got or have it go into actual detail, we will have no idea to what extent this means, so yes, I am calling you obtuse.


Where is the evidence that Doomguy never healed? As he looks perfectly fine when we view him in any game within the series.

The statement itself attributes Doomguy not dying to his willpower:

"We watched as his will overcame his injuries, and in the Blood Arena he proved his worth."

If we don't know the extent of the wounds, how can we treat this immortality with a solid rating and not take it as a Willpower or Stamina feat?

I appreciate the input,but can we refer back to the fight pls?

 

[DTG499]

He’s operating out of context to what wounds that meant “certain death” means to doom. This argument is a waste of time his type 2 is average

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

Tbf it’s likely comparable to the way demons operate in Eternal.

 

[Abstractions]

I appreciate the input,but can we refer back to the fight pls?

It's important because I make a clear assertion that his Type 2 isn't average and is quite bypassable, because there was already the misconception that Harry could not get past it when he evidently can.

He’s operating out of context to what wounds that meant “certain death” means to doom.

I'm not operating out of context when the only piece of information doesn't tell you to what extent it means.

This argument is a waste of time.

Evidently not, if it helps prevent misconceptions.

His type 2 is average.

Still false.

 

[ThisThingisReallyBroken]

It's important because I make a clear assertion that his Type 2 isn't average and is quite bypassable, because there was already the misconception that Harry could not get past it when he evidently can.

I didn’t think it would be a major point because skill.

also no shields because higher tier stuff restricted