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well considering goku even with prep time forgot about the paper seal needed to complete the Mafuba. I think it is safe to say goku would not win with that.
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Name the weakest characters from your verses who can defeat Goku (DBS).
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Goku has sleep resistances on is profile or sleep-inducing. Goku is faster than he thinks and would blitz incapicitate him , and kill if he needs to if he comes back instant mafuba.
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Speed equalized, Sugar and Bonney from One Piece. Throw Law in there too
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Just put it this way: Goku NEVER uses the Mafuba in character, let alone in MUI where his body moves on its own, and he probably doesn't even have the seal with him either as its not in his standard equipment.
And no, Goku doesn't have sleep resistance. Even if he did, not on a scale of 210 people.
And no, Goku doesn't have sleep resistance. Even if he did, not on a scale of 210 people.
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For the sleep , it was in the toei profile not in super since dbz is considered filler.
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Then it can't be used here since it's DBS Goku
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Yes I know , I realise that it was a different profil and wouldn't apply to dbs goku for some reasons.
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Since he needs a container for the mafuba and his opponent will come back after being destroyed then I guess, Goku would lose for that specific reason only.
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Goku has no mind-hax resistance and even if he did, its no where near on the level of Mewtwo. Also what would MUI do against mindhax?
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He claims that, since MUI has this one-off statement about perceptions being a blur, instincts taking over and fear and panic becoming Nonexistent, that Goku in UI can shrug off Illusions, Madness Hax, Corruption and Mind Manip, or similar effects.
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Wow. A single statement that is meant as a way to hype up the form is being taken literally now?
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Feel like that sums up Elher’s take, Yep.
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It is to be taken litteraly , it explains how it works , you have no proof that it doesn't work that way and there is no reason for it to not be as the series decides it to be.
So even ignoring that , first actions , goku blitzes and one shots end of the battle those hax wont help if he gets blitzes and one shotted instantly.
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Ngl I don’t think Mewtwo’s the weakest character in Pokemon who beats him.
Shedninja destroys just by turning around, looking at its back = Death GG. Wonder Guard protects it from anything Goku throws at him, which in-character is likely held back and not starting at full force. Shedninja also has plenty of Hax such as reading Goku’s Mind, Confuse Ray (which can vary in degree, from Illusions to full-on Mind Manip), Phantom Force lets it dip around in other dimensions before blindsiding Goku if need be, and he can even stop Healing with Heal Block or lower your Stamina with Spite.
Shedninja destroys just by turning around, looking at its back = Death GG. Wonder Guard protects it from anything Goku throws at him, which in-character is likely held back and not starting at full force. Shedninja also has plenty of Hax such as reading Goku’s Mind, Confuse Ray (which can vary in degree, from Illusions to full-on Mind Manip), Phantom Force lets it dip around in other dimensions before blindsiding Goku if need be, and he can even stop Healing with Heal Block or lower your Stamina with Spite.
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Good point. Litwick would can also just absorb Goku's life force GG
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At this point you already know the answer , I will not bring up mui resistances , all I will says is that goku blitzes and one shots instanly , the in character argument is not relevant when he's in mui or here to kill the opponent to death. So mui doesn't hesite and there is no hold back argument ether.
Also the goku will hold back argument isn't relevant , town level pokemon vs universal+ while suppress + likely far far stronger than that , and way faster and likely reached a level of infinity.
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Or the 100% case is goku blitzes him and ones shots , end of the battle. Hax do not matter if he gets stomped instantly and is far slower and inferior to goku.
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Litwick is a ghost type so Goku can even touch it and it drains his life force.
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You conveniently ignore that Shedninja’s Power Null is passive via Wonder Guard, the Litwick’s Life-Force Absorption is passive, and that MUI isn’t some magical ‘Lol Bloodlust’ button. He’s still in control of himself, he’s not going to take some enemy seriously when he never takes his enemies seriously until he knows they’re a threat- this is the same guy who gave Cell a Sensu Bean, remember that.
I will say that Goku can likely interact with them though, due to being able to interact with Zamasu who was Intangible, and hitting Hit who was also intangible.
I will say that Goku can likely interact with them though, due to being able to interact with Zamasu who was Intangible, and hitting Hit who was also intangible.
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-Goku can stop and hit intangible beings look at is profile, also for that pokemon it says that any physical atks with heat will be able to beat and mui goku is surrended by heat or the flames of mui. So no draining , (as if it would work when he would overpower it) , blitzes and one shots no difficulty.
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Nop blitzes and one shots , you fail to realise , he's here to kill and mui doesn't hesiste do I have to pull the scans or what. Once more you failed to realise this is not normal goku , it's mui goku , so , blitzes and one shots end of the debate nothing to be added. You can also add that he harm ghost in gt or use spiritual (energy from the affecter life people who are souls).
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Alright now I know you're ******* with us. Goku can't just lolnope any hax because of the fact that he's strong especially when things like a resistance to Soul Manipulation aren't on his profile.
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Also you are ignoring ap , and speed. The first thing mui goku doesn , is blitzes that pokemon faster than he can do or think about anything and one shots. Hax do not matter if he gets one shotted or cant react and the soul nonsense argument , since goku's soul is granted a body. Drop that pokemon.
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If you're using GT as a way to prove Goku can do whatever headcanon he wants, then we can also bring up the fact that MUI GOKU LITERALLY SPARED MORO IN THE MANGA.
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If speed isn't equal then this thread has no purpose of existing. Most characters that are below Low 2-C aren't nearly in the same speed tier as Goku. The OP needs to say that speed is equal or its just a giant thread of Goku lolstomps.
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Plz read it again , I never said it scales, you have chosen to misunderstand it and twist it and ignore the other intangible feats I presented earlier.It was a simple example.
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It isn't it was never stated to be , so blitzes and ones shots , next.
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Also how the hell does Goku's soul having a body allow him to resist soul manipulation?
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It would help him resisting one that tries to pool and he should be able to use it just like is own body or outright not working on him at all. And can focus is soul
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You forgot that goku is faster and stronger , and would blitz and end the fight , passive or not. It doesn't matter if it's combat applicable, he litteraly is covered with mui heat aura even if not for some reason doesn't matter , he can still it that pokemon and kill beat him.
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Ok. The manga is a literal example of the fact that Goku is never bloodlusted. That's not in his character. Otherwise he wouldn't have spared Frieza, or Tao, Moro. MUI is a form that is achived with a calm mind whereas Super Saiyan is a form that is built off of rage. MUI is not some magical bloodlust so that point is moot.
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If it's passive then there is no way for blitz in the first place. Either Goku dies or Litwick and Goku kick the bucket.
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You failed to realize
-The manga example is not relevant different gokus or you would nit picking.
-MUI doesn't hesitate , he would therefor end the fight.
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Ether ways , goku blitzes and one shots. Assuming that fodder pokemon passive didn't instantly make him win the fight against other pokemon who should be far weaker than goku.
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Yeah but who's to say that Goku of all characters would kill anybody? Even in MUI. For god sake he literally spared Frieza of all people.
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Whether or not Litwick wins every fight is irellevant because that's just a game mechanic. The Pokedex is always a credible source that we can use.
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He's willing to kill in battle assumptions , so he blitzes and one shots mui doesn't hesiste. Again idk why you think mui is normal goku , it's not.
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It's not. You're just assuming that he is more bloodlusted even though that is never stated. If was he willing to spare someone in Super Saiyan while essentially bloodlusted, he would never outright kill someone in MUI.
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