Tier 1 and 2 characters that beat Xeno Goku or vice versa

[MeidoIzayoi]

Sayori has still NEP, aka she stays.

question for her NEP
why does she have as limited
like
what's the difference between her limited one with a normal NEP

She doesn't "attack", all the stuff she does is though-based.

wouldn't a thought based attack mean the "attack" speed is as fast as the reaction speed of the character in question?

 

[StrymULTRA]

question for her NEP
why does she have as limited
like
what's the difference between her limited one with a normal NEP

She doesn't start with NEP, she has a physical body that's like a "shell" for her NEP state.

 

[StrymULTRA]

wouldn't a thought based attack mean the "attack" speed is as fast as the reaction speed of the character in question?

True, but I was relying on NEP here.

 

[Killerdrone123]

She doesn't start with NEP, she has a physical body that's like a "shell" for her NEP state.

So tell me what thought based attack she starts with also goku can speed blitz by sensing her killing intent

Also nep aspects don't matter here

 

[StrymULTRA]

So tell me what thought based attack she starts with also goku can speed blitz by sensing her killing intent

EE that's on Plot+Info 2+History+Concept 2 level at the same time, or Plot hax to end the script instantly (as in instantly freezing anything forever).

Also nep aspects don't matter here

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[ChoursDropoff]

So tell me what thought based attack she starts with also goku can speed blitz by sensing her killing intent

Also nep aspects don't matter here

That’s literally what I was about to say if she starts with a physical body than the fight never starts lmao.

 

[Killerdrone123]

EE that's on Plot+Info 2+History+Concept 2 level at the same time, or Plot hax to end the script instantly (as in instantly freezing anything forever).

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Type matter when it comes to interaction not aspect also if goku would be able to sense her killing he would more than likely speed blitz her

 

[ChoursDropoff]

EE that's on Plot+Info 2+History+Concept 2 level at the same time, or Plot hax to end the script instantly (as in instantly freezing anything forever).

Goku’s already resist most of those and again immeasurable speed > passives. So it wouldn’t matter to begin with. Plus he can summon people who do resist all of those.

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Only hax resistance not that it makes it harder to interact with the character.

 

[StrymULTRA]

That’s literally what I was about to say if she starts with a physical body than the fight never starts lmao.

If she dies/gets erased she becomes NEP tho.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Goku’s already resist most of those and again immeasurable speed > passives. So it wouldn’t matter to begin with. Plus he can summon people who do resist all of those.

Since when he resists plot?

 

[ChoursDropoff]

Since when he resists plot?

When did I say that? I said he can summon people who do that. But he resist conceptual type 1 information type 2 and history. And I’m pretty sure Xeno Goku stuff is more layered.

 

[MeidoIzayoi]

if he doesn't resist plot, he gets erased tho

 

[Killerdrone123]

Ah no one is heroes has resistance to plot manip just a reminder but xeno goku can summon cc goku who can then summon arale and she has plot manip but speed blitzing is most likely to happen here then the wincon I mentioned above

 

[Killerdrone123]

if he doesn't resist plot, he gets erased tho

Speed difference + he can sense her killing intent and would more then likely go into immeasurable speed

 

[ChoursDropoff]

if he doesn't resist plot, he gets erased tho

Not really considering she has average human speed and he has high end immeasurable speed. Passives get overwhelmed by transfinite speed. Plus he has summons that do resist plot hax .

 

[StrymULTRA]

Not really considering she has average human speed and he has high end immeasurable speed. Passives get overwhelmed by transfinite speed. Plus he has summons that do resist plot hax .

Plot hax that is conceptual? Nah.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

Ah no one is heroes has resistance to plot manip just a reminder but xeno goku can summon cc goku who can then summon arale and she has plot manip but speed blitzing is most likely to happen here then the wincon I mentioned above

Nah but fr most the opposition arguments hinge on the idea Goku stands there and does nothing. And even then he can still end the fight in an incon that way because of immeasurable speed.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

Plot hax that is conceptual? Nah.

Well plot and concepts are different but even than fusions arale plot hax can interact with concepts.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Well plot and concepts are different but even than fusions arale plot hax can interact with concepts.

...that's not remotely the same. Plot hax gets applied with concept hax at the same time here.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

...that's not remotely the same. Plot hax gets applied with concept hax at the same time here.

What are you even saying?

 

[StrymULTRA]

What are you even saying?

I am saying that you have to resist CM 2, Plot and Info 2 at the same time to survive it.

But regardless, if the NEP stuff works like that, then I suppose also Monika should be removed as the High Godly is overtime. Why do y'all fail to read that part that's overtime, christ.

 

[Killerdrone123]

I am saying that you have to resist CM 2, Plot and Info 2 at the same time to survive it.

But regardless, if the NEP stuff works like that, then I suppose also Monika should be removed as the High Godly is overtime. Why do y'all fail to read that part that's overtime, christ.

arale is at speed advantage here so she is more than likely to use her plot manipulation then sayori erases her

 

[Killerdrone123]

And bro fusion arale has resistance to plot manip and cm type 1 and info type 2 to and also ee

 

[StrymULTRA]

And bro arale has resistance to plot manip and cm type 1 and info type 2 to and also ee

See? It's not that hard.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

I am saying that you have to resist CM 2, Plot and Info 2 at the same time to survive it.

Well luck has it Arale can resist all those.

But regardless, if the NEP stuff works like that, then I suppose also Monika should be removed as the High Godly is overtime. Why do y'all fail to read that part that's overtime, christ.

Well it’s still high godly so I thought she could come by and fight him again in the future but it’s probably best to remove her as you’ve stated.

 

[StrymULTRA]

MES should still remain though, as almost anything they do is through prep time. Meaning that the moment the fight starts, Goku is already under the effects of their script, thus is essentially incapped.

 

[Ikelaggan]

Matter fact I think he beats most the characters with finite speed like Lance, Anna, Natalie but I’ll admit I know nothing about those last three so I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong.

• Immortality (Type 8. Can be brought back by "The Player", who exists beyond the Epic Battle Fantasy multiverse and sees it as fiction)
• Passive Law Manipulation via Probability Manipulation (The players as just conscious beings bring chaos and uncertainty to the Devourer's system and obey no laws, even exploiting the very laws he's created)
• Plot and Fate Manipulation (Via the player, who is canonically controlling their fates to make them succeed in their journey and defies the Devourer's control over the system through the player outside of EBF universe)

Yeah they have an equivalent of a higher player einty literally rigging the fight before it starts since everything in EBF multiverse includes it's 5D time space where the EBF 1-4 timeline only exists as lesser fictional videogames post Reset in EBF 5.

 

[Delta333]

What’s the reason for Goku getting an incon match with Terumi again?

 

[Killerdrone123]

What’s the reason for Goku getting an incon match with Terumi again?

Speed

 

[GarrixianXD]

Tushan Susu

Tier: 7-A physically; Low 1-C with Plot Manipulation | At least 7-A physically, likely High 6-A physically at her peak, Low 2-C Environmental Destruction with Tears of Void; Low 1-C with Plot Manipulation Name: Túshān Sūsū涂山苏苏 | Túshān Hónghóng涂山红红 Keys: Tushan Susu | Tushan Honghong Origin: Fox...

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She'll likely incon Goku since Goku does not resist plot hax but Fox can also get one-shotted by a flick of a neutrino.

 

[Vietthai96]

is her plot passive??

 

[GarrixianXD]

is her plot passive??

No.

 

[Vietthai96]

No.

Hmm, then Xeno Goku passively ki crush her, SSJ4 mere presence alone damage the flow of time

 

[Killerdrone123]

Tushan Susu

Tier: 7-A physically; Low 1-C with Plot Manipulation | At least 7-A physically, likely High 6-A physically at her peak, Low 2-C Environmental Destruction with Tears of Void; Low 1-C with Plot Manipulation Name: Túshān Sūsū涂山苏苏 | Túshān Hónghóng涂山红红 Keys: Tushan Susu | Tushan Honghong Origin: Fox...

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She'll likely incon Goku since Goku does not resist plot hax but Fox can also get one-shotted by a flick of a neutrino.

Xeno goku would speed blitz her

 

[GarrixianXD]

Hmm, then Xeno Goku passively ki crush her, SSJ4 mere presence alone damage the flow of time

Damn, so he's that OP now

Xeno goku would speed blitz her

Lol, I forgot about that

 

[Greenshifter]

Hmm, then Xeno Goku passively ki crush her, SSJ4 mere presence alone damage the flow of time

Out of character!

 

[Fezzih_007]

Out of character!

I getting a feeling of Dejavu

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Out of character!

It's not out of character. That's kind of what happens when he becomes SSJ4 to the point that he can only use a sealed place outside of time in the demonic realm.

 

[Greenshifter]

I getting a feeling of Dejavu

It's not out of character. That's kind of what happens when he becomes SSJ4 to the point that he can only use a sealed place outside of time in the demonic realm.

He doesn't nuke everything when he becomes SSJ4 in Heroes and he does that like all the time.

 

[Vietthai96]

Damn, if we arguing Goku is out of character, then this list isn't needed, cause we can just argue that Goku is out of character when do this and that and he lose to everyone