2-A Star vs the Forces of Evil

[Dargoo_Faust]

in the context of omnitraxtus prime you he's the entire dimension form what the scene is showing and he creates an avatar to visually speak to Star,

I never interpreted that scene like that. You can clearly see he just went from a "large enough to cover Star's POV" to "large enough for Star to make him out" based on the "galaxy" on his chest. It barely diminishes in size, so it's more plausible he was already physically there to begin with, and not "starry dimension-sized" at that. As for specific examples of characters with "Star Aesthetic but obviously not Tier 4/2", here's one from MtG. Stars can be an aesthetic to a character but not actually be contained in that character.

Also we see he's clearly not as small inside as he is on the outside, inside of him hosts stars, planets, swirls, and a crystal field of interwoven continuum which is referencing space-time from what I understand.

None of that really establishes that he embodies the spacetime of the multiverse, though. The Crystal Field of Interwoven continuum was described and used more as a tool to let Star observe the effects she was having on the Multiverse and didn't really have anything of more significance about it. I have more to say on this on the below:

I wouldn't even attribute that to PIS, I'd attribute that to he was kicking his ass in his regular form before the Globgor only got one good hit on him if you notice, even as Globgor was shape shifting OP didn't really do it himself cause he could take him on with the size already given. If you're talking about another fight please remind me of it.

Yeah I was talking about Globgor and yeah that was a nitpick. The point was that Globgor just shifting to building-size was enough to put up some kind of fight vs. Omni, even if Omni had the overall advantage. I feel like it's clear that him having an Tardis-esque pocket dimension inside him doesn't make his physical form Tier 4/2 based on his fights, and I'm not really sure how he can utilize his pocket dimension for combat, especially since he didn't create it himself. If anything the interior pocket dimension is more a feat for Glossy than anything, and I already agree that peak magic in SvTFoE can accomplish feats like that, just not regularly and basically no one should scale to it or any other Tier 2 feat physically, even the top tiers of the verse.

The only real domino effect problem shown thusfar is Star's and hers was via her being a statistical improbability from inf timelines

Which was fixed by her successfully completing a math problem. And considering that's one of the few times we see Omni "keep the multiverse from falling apart" I'm pretty sure that statement doesn't really mean much, although going off of the rest of your comment here it doesn't really seem like you think it means much either.

Also magic is supposed to canonically be all over the place since the way you use magic is via how much of the universes energy you tap into, Glossaryck basically explains it here.

Then the tiers should be Varied to reflect that, not just a flat Low 2-C or 2-A.

 

[Galvino]

I don't think anybody mentioned this in this thread yet, but whenever Star goes into mewberty form, she does this thing called "Dipping Down". Glossy explained how a wand only taps into the surface level of magic, but if you dip down you can actually tap into all of it, meaning you actually become more powerful than the wand itself.

Now I know it hasn't been settled yet on if the wand is 2-A or what not, but whatever we conclude that wand itself scales to, then characters that dipped down must above that. I know this doesn't have much to do with the debate about OP being multiversal, but I think the point about dipping down should be made clear anyway.

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

I mean, yeah, I know? I'm commenting for everyone who's Tier 2 via magic when the magic in SvTFoE is always all over the place and only ever peaks at that tier at a few key moments in the show.

Unless this was directed elsewhere, in which case just disregard.

It was directed to the Unanimous guy.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Now I know it hasn't been settled yet on if the wand is 2-A or what not, but whatever we conclude that wand itself scales to, then characters that dipped down must above that. I know this doesn't have much to do with the debate about OP being multiversal, but I think the point about dipping down should be made clear anyway.

"Dipping down" does make your spells qualitatively better than just using the wand normally, yes. However, while you're tapping into the magic directly that doesn't mean magic as how it's defined just stops working - there's still a ton of variance and not every spell has the same potency as other spells.

For example, a generic fireblast that demolished a building done through the wand would be < the same spell cast through Mewberty form. However there isn't anything that's telling us that a generic fireblast that demolished a building done through the wand would be enhaced past the level of the literal dimension-busting spells from the wand. tl;dr, Tier 2 Narwhal blasts don't exist.

And I think Low 2-C or 2-A are fine with the peak potential uses of magic - but I'm not buying that Omnitraxus is somehow this multiversal entity and that every character who's punched him into submission is too.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yeah im with Ploz and Giver on this one.

 

[Galvino]

I also don't think I agree with Globgor having 2-A AP physically, but maybe his durability could be 2-A considering how hard it is to kill him, to the point where MHC thought the best thing to do was freeze Globgor forever. Maybe even OP's Durability is higher than his own AP considering he couldn't kill Globgor either. The only thing that really took down OP was Toffee, who was corrupting magic itself, possibly ignoring durability (headcanon I know). Point is I do agree that not everyone that dips down scales to Toffee who took on the MHC, but I do think that Star (for example) in mewberty form, when she dips down, is 2-C to 2-B. Not Low 2-C.

Another thing is that it is worth noting that Star is stated to far above her mother in power, so her mother getting stomped by Toffee doesn't mean season 4 Star would. Not saying anybody is saying she gets stomped, just making myself clear.

 

[Galvino]

For example, a generic fireblast that demolished a building done through the wand would be < the same spell cast through Mewberty form. However there isn't anything that's telling us that a generic fireblast that demolished a building done through the wand would be enhaced past the level of the literal dimension-busting spells from the wand. tl;dr, Tier 2 Narwhal blasts don't exist.

Yeah I agree, but certain spells do like the one Eclipsia used on the solarian warrior and maybe the beam Star shot at Toffee in season 3.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Again not on a laptop though I will say right now I'm in full agreement of not scaling any of the dudes that are currently physically Low 2-C to that and just putting them at At least High 8-C likely higher my main proposal for upgrades are specifically the most potent spells of the magic users.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@GiverOfThePeace

Sounds good to me.

 

[Galvino]

Yeah I think, for the most powerful spells, shot by the most powerful users, the AP should be 2-C through 2-A.

 

[Antvasima]

So have you reached some sort of agreement here?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

At least on Omnitraxus, I'd say, who is the focal point for any scaling that involves non-wand users or Glossy to Tier 2.

All that's left is what actually scales to the full capacity of the wand outside of Glossy, and if 2-A is applicable for the high-end of the wand/magic.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks a lot for helping to make our profile pages more reliable.

 

[Galvino]

I think it's pretty consistent with feats and with narrative that to kill Omnitraxus Prime (or his avatar) that you need an AP of at least 2-C. Reason I say that is because the only person to ever kill him (I think) was Toffee when he had the wand. Now Toffee did absorb Moon's powers (which should scale above the wand because she can dip down) before hitting OP, so that's why I believe he was able to one shot OP. Moon scaling above OP makes sense since she did do better against Toffee than anybody else. Reason Toffee even got that strong was because he absorbed Moon's power and then proceeded to absorb the rest of MHC's power, thus making him powerful than Moon herself when she was resurrected.
Point is, Globgor punching OP to the ground isn't an anti-feat since I said you need the wand's power to kill OP, not knock him down. One might ask "If you need the wand's power to kill OP, then shouldn't the wand be able to kill Globgor if they have the same durability, why didn't Moon use the wand?", because the wand or even dipping down (I don't think anyway) is not enough to kill Globgor, thus freezing him was the best thing to do since no one had the power to kill him (except Eclipsa which obviously she won't do).
It's the same with the solarian warriors, their AP (without the swords) is probably somewhere around 8-C but their durability is at least 2-C to probably 2-A since Eclipsa's spell was the only thing that took one down. I don't know if the idea of durability being way above AP is 100% perfect but it seems consistent enough to at least consider seriously.
tl;dr the wand's full power or maybe more (dip down) is needed to kill characters with OP's durability which is at least 2-C to 2-A.

 

[PlozAlcachaz]

I'm not sure I really agree with getting rid of Tier 2 Omnitraxus. There are a few arguments we can use to explain series consistency for AP if that's really what we're concerned about here. These aren't the only options, but I do think there are some other approaches to offer.

Alternate Option 1:

We can just make Omnitraxus at the level of the cast with his avatars. It would make it consistent with his descriptions to stay Tier 2 from lore books, and it satisfies mostly everyone. Glossaryck should still scale above him though.

Alternate Option 2:

We can provide explanation as to how these characters can scale consistently.

Meteora gets stronger through her Soul Absorption, so she could just be eventually Tier 2 overtime.

Globgor's shapeshifting seems to determine his AP on the occasion. He could just get a varies note where he's Tier 8 in smaller forms but Tier 2 in bigger forms.

Toffee could be tier dependent on how much Magic he uses with higher potency.

The rest could be fine.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I'm more just confused as to what feats Omni has that place him in Tier 2, AP-wise, for his true form (I'm going to guess you're talking about the pocket dimension that's part of his "actual" body). I can kind of palette that completely killing/creating Omni is in the Tier 4 range if we're counting the pocket dimension as part of his body (which is basically just done by Glossy, Toffee because Toffee and the Queens by proxy of nuking magic as a whole, all of which don't need Omni for Tier 2 to exist), but I already tackled how his interior pocket dimension isn't proven to be Tier 2 in size.

Like I can buy that killing Omni for real is Tier 2, I'm just wondering what specifically proves this so I can, you know, put it on the profiles.

Solarian Warriors are weird. I'd argue that Moon/Star/the rest of the crew besides Eclipsa didn't have any spells that would put them down without also just wrecking most of Mewni, and even the spell Eclipsa used had extremely dire consequences and could have killed tons of Mewmans and Monsters in the process. But at the same time they are made with some of the strongest magic from the Wand and the best thing the crew could even think of to defeat them was just nuking magic as a whole (which I think is a pretty big plothole unless we assume Solarian Warriors just nope all the varieties of "okay you're in a different dimension now" magics that we know about + anything else that'd get around conventional durability).

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

If we don't have him as physically tier 2 I don't see if there's a direct issue of him being tier 2 via magic, Magic High Commission should be above or comparable to Star in use of magic since they're the most powerful magic users in the multiverse sans Glossaryck. Again as usual with most potent spells. Stuff to support that would be Hekapoo nuking all access to reach alternate dimensions that even Star couldn't think of a way around without having to use the source of magic itself. Also Omnitraxtus if we're all in agreement he's an avatar should have type 9 and magic users are able to negate his type 9 (I.E. Toffee).

Anyways most potent spells were Star and Marco merging the multiverse and the wand's universe nuke statement.

I think tier 2 for Solarian Warriors works if they're only choice at stopping them was nuking the very thing that powers them and the only spells that could counter them was Star's rainbow kaiju and Eclipsa's spell with no name.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Magic High Commission should be above or comparable to Star in use of magic since they're the most powerful magic users in the multiverse sans Glossaryck

They're better magic users than Star (well, outside of Mewberty form) for sure. But that's less to do with them actually being above the Wand and more to do with them having more practical experience and better direct applications of magic than Star. I seriously don't believe any of them can destroy entire universe-sized dimensions and there's nothing suggesting any of them can do this - and we see characters who are competent with magic and have direct scaling to the wand trounce them consistently with zero effort, i.e. Toffee.

Stuff to support that would be Hekapoo nuking all access to reach alternate dimensions that even Star couldn't think of a way around without having to use the source of magic itself.

That isn't really a destructive feat, though. Hekapoo can cut off dimensional travel through the multiverse but nothing suggests she can actually destroy or create entire universes or the multiverse.

Also Omnitraxtus if we're all in agreement he's an avatar should have type 9 and magic users are able to negate his type 9 (I.E. Toffee).

Just so I know what to cite for this on the profiles, where was this shown or stated?

I think tier 2 for Solarian Warriors works if they're only choice at stopping them was nuking the very thing that powers them and the only spells that could counter them was Star's rainbow kaiju and Eclipsa's spell with no name.

I disagree, personally. I think it's entirely possible that a dimension-nuke would destroy them just fine, it's just that, well, the dimension they were in wasn't something anyone present wanted to nuke. If anything Eclipsa's spell shows that they're below the peak magic of the Wand, not above it, and the issues with using it more had to do with the toll it took on Eclipsa, the overall mass destruction it'd cause, etc.

I do agree that the way they're hyped up and how nobody thinks about doing anything other than just removing magic gives credence to the claim you're making, but at the same time Star wanted to remove magic for a variety of other reasons beyond just stopping the Solarian Warriors, she legit thought the multiverse would be better off without it.

Otherwise it's kind of just a plothole unless we assume that the Solarian Warriors have like, dozens of resistances and counters to magical spells that aren't shown or stated.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Wand is weaker at using magic then a natural magic user dipping down also Star did a 2-A spell w/o the wand.

Hekapoo's feat wasn't for a tier it was for supporting she's superior in magic then Star.

Scan I showed of how he emerged before Star and how he can place himself inside of himself. It's above.

If it really was a dimension nuke could stop them then why did they not just take the solarium warriors to an empty dimension? Also they used their strongest spells to stop them in the fight + while Star had a myriad of other reasons she specifically says "It's the only way to stop Mina" so her having other reasons doesn't really detract from the fact that she sees it as the only way to defeat the Solarian Warriors. If anything this seems to support having at least a possibly rating. I don't see how it's a plothole exactly also they show an innate resistance to magic as Moon couldn't remove the magic amps she put on them and the only real magic that worked was Star and Eclipsa's strongest spells.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

You're talking about the whispering spell used within the source of the magic, right? That's something that took every living Butterfly performing the spell at once to accomplish, and the circumstances it was used don't apply to any of the High Magic Counsel. Like the whispering spell isn't an actual destructive/combative spell that anyone dipping down can accomplish, it's just that destructive when used by several people dipping down at once in a specific area. Unless you're talking about something else, in which case disregard.

She can be a superior magic user to Star without being Tier 2, so it's not really a feat for Tier 2. Star's applications of Tier 2 magic are extremely limited.

I guess, sure. Granted his avatar is still a part of / connected to his main body, so I'm not sure if it'd be accurate to say Toffee and Glossy can negate Type 9 in the traditional sense.

What you're describing would have worked with or without dimension-busting though. Dropping all the warriors into an empty dimension would have solved the issue, and I'm pretty sure all the involved Wand users would have been capable of keeping them there. Moon couldn't remove the amps because of the way the magic worked; if they had pledged themselves to Moon she would have had zero issues removing it, otherwise it's basically Moon being tricked into using magic against herself.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

No not the whispering spell, final spell used with Marco and Star, also where was it shown that it took every Queen? The way the scene looked didn’t even show the queens kneel down and do the incantations themselves.

That doesn't make sense, a superior user of something naturally would scale I don't see why that case changes here. Them being limited is irrelevant to the skill she possesses versus a high commission member

Where is it shown or stated it's connected? His avatar can co-exist independently from his body as shown in the scene where he shows Star infinite timelines.

Dropping them into an empty dimension and doing nothing else wouldn't have worked, they all can travel through dimensions. They wouldn't have, which is the entire reason they retreated from the warriors

Can you send the specific scene

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I always thought of the final spell they cast as an extension of what all the Queens performed, and again, this isn't really something that'd apply to any of the Magic Counsel.

It makes perfect sense with what is already accepted from both sides here about magic in SvtFoE. Why would they need to replicate the last spell cast by Star or have anything in that range to be above Star in magical ability, when each of them individually can just trounce her in every other respect? "Better in general' doesn't need to mean "better at this specific thing".

Yeah but that scene was inside his own body. He wasn't creating an avatar separate from his body.

Could you show the scene where we see the Warriors travel through dimensions? None of their profiles currently have dimensional travel.

Mina explains why Moon's spell didn't work here.

 

[Galvino]

I seriously don't believe any of them can destroy entire universe-sized dimensions and there's nothing suggesting any of them can do this

I'll say Moon can do this though, since it's been shown the wand can (at least) bust a dimension and Moon scales above the wand since she can dip down. The only reason Toffee outmatched Moon is because he caught her off guard (happened offscreen but extremely likely since they were causally talking) and by time Moon was resurrected to fight him, Toffee had just absorbed the entire MHC's power. So Moon should be easily able to bust a dimension in mewberty form or at least have that AP range.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Galvino

You know, I kind of forgot Moon was on the Magic High Commission, lol.

Obviously her and Glosssy are fine for a "varies between X and Tier Low 2-C/2-A/whatever" rating, I was more talking about Omnitraxus, Rhombulus, and Hekapoo, apologies. All of whom I'd be uncomfortable scaling to the full potential/strongest spells of the Wand.

 

[Galvino]

@Dargoo_Faust

I agree Rhombulus isn't of that level for destructive power (but can freeze people with 2-C through 2-A durability like Globgor). Not sure about Hekapoo scaling, I'll let someone else deal with her. As for Omnitraxus, I do believe he's a multiversal entity that can only be killed (at least his avatar anyway) with Moon's level of power or above which is 2-C at least. So right now I think we agree Moon, Eclipsa and (Season 4) Star are above the MHC whether or not the MHC are 2-C or whatever. The three princesses are above them no matter what.

Honestly I'm personally fine with the most potent spells being at least 2-C (maybe 2-A) because Low 2-C is a mega lowball.

 

[Antvasima]

So what are the conclusions so far here?

 

[Galvino]

Rhombulus and Hekapoo < The Wand at full power < Princesses who can dip down and use mewberty form (Moon, Eclipsa and Star)

I don't know if everyone agrees with what I typed above but I think it's solid. Not sure where Omni fits here because we only saw him get killed by Toffee, who absorbed all of Moon's power (which is above the wand) and uses it to one shot Omni. I'm pretty sure Omni is (way) above Hekapoo and Rhombulus.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

So what are the conclusions so far here?

Well, we seem to have some conflicting opinions. I'll try and explain them best as I can.

Me: Tier 2 physicals don't exist. Queens/Glossy/Toffee are "varies, Low 2-C/2-A with strongest spells" even for Mewberty/Dipping Down forms. Omnitraxus has a Tier 4 pocket dimension that's his "real" body but he didn't create it (Glossy did) and has no way to use it for combat, so while it takes that kind of AP to permanently put him down while getting past Type 9 his avatars have zero relevant strength/AP feats in Tier 2.

Giver: Tier 2 physicals exist as durability for Solarian Warriors and the Magic Commission should scale to peak wand users.

Galvino: Tier 2 physicals exist for Globgor/Solarian Warriors and people dipping down have Tier 2 spells outside the one-two we know the Wand has access to.

Ploz: Tier 2 Omnitraxus exists in some capacity.

Iam: Everything including physicals varies, split durability.

A few others agree somewhere between Giver and Ploz but I have no idea where they fall specifically since the two seem to be arguing fairly different points.

So opinions are kind of all over the place.

 

[Antvasima]

Dargoo:

Well, in that case I trust your sense of judgement over the others.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

That's fine. I'm personally just waiting for counterarguments and well, feats from the other side here, the only thing that I think is genuinely just a matter of opinion is if Solarian Warriors have Tier 2 durability.

If that doesn't happen for a while I'll just add the accepted changes and wait on some of the more minor grievances.

 

[Galvino]

Galvino: Tier 2 physicals exist for Globgor/Solarian Warriors and people dipping down have Tier 2 spells outside the one-two we know the Wand has access to.

Well you need 2-C or above AP when it comes to trying to kill Globgor/Solarian Warriors, not that Globgor/Solarian Warriors have 2-C AP or anything. As for dipping down, I mean the wand can already at least, bare minimum, effect the multiverse and potentially collapse infinite timelines (Arguments about that were stated way earlier in the thread); So this must mean that people dipping down can do much more than effect the multiverse since they are above the wand itself. So that's why I believe a 2-C through 2-A for the series' peak power is fair and makes more sense than just Universe+ as it is right now. Again, I'm only talking about people who can dip down who have this kind of AP.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Well, my point is that "dipping down" doesn't really mean anything other than fueling your magic directly from the source rather than using a conduit. It doesn't make all their spells > all spells cast from the Wand, but just that a specific spell cast while dipping down is > that same spell cast while using a conduit like the Wand. I'm not buying that just because Star cast a Narwhal blast while she was in Mewberty form that Narwhal blast is now Tier 2, somehow.

As for collapsing the multiverse into one universe, I'm still not sure why we're saying Star did this specifically and didn't just combine the Mewman dimension with the Human one. And I don't think that's something she can apply to any of her other spells in an offensive sense. There's a lot in general we don't know about that since it was at the rear end of the show.

That said I'm interested as to why Globgor requires Tier 2 AP to be put down. Nothing I've seen really tells me he can survive attacks like that.

 

[Galvino]

@Dargoo_Faust

Once again, I agree stuff like Narwhal blast and other fodder spells aren't Tier 2 and only certain spells are.

As for collapsing the multiverse into one universe, I'm still not sure why we're saying Star did this specifically and didn't just combine the Mewman dimension with the Human one. And I don't think that's something she can apply to any of her other spells in an offensive sense. There's a lot in general we don't know about that since it was at the rear end of the show.

I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about her making a time loop and almost causing infinite timelines to collapse. From what I remember, making a time loop was pretty causal and it's not far fetched to say if Star actually tried, she could bust the whole dimension and maybe multiple dimensions with just the wand (Not to mention all the stuff from the guidebooks that support this). So considering the power of the wand, why didn't they kill Globgor when Moon had the wand? Two possibilities: Because the wand doesn't have enough power to kill Globgor or busting their home dimension to kill him would be counter productive. Another point is that we know Moon had mewberty form and was stronger than the wand anyway, so why couldn't she kill him if she's stronger than the weapon that can bust dimensions? So instead of destroying their home world, the only option was to crystalize him forever. Considering just how risky it is to keep Globgor around, why wouldn't they just kill him? So that's why I believe he at least has that Universal Durability.
In terms of spells that won't destroy the whole dimension but can kill Globgor, it would be the same one Eclipsa used against that solarian warrior. The scaling makes sense as long you keep Globgor, Omni, and the solarian warriors at least 2-C durability but not their AP.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about her making a time loop and almost causing infinite timelines to collapse. From what I remember, making a time loop was pretty causal and it's not far fetched to say if Star actually tried, she could bust the whole dimension and maybe multiple dimensions with just the wand (Not to mention all the stuff from the guidebooks that support this).

Okay, what?

No offense, but this is entirely fanon. Star was only causing infinite timelines to collapse because, as Omni explained, she was the only Star out of the infinite versions of herself that failed to solve this problem. That's a screwy mechanic of the SvTFoE multiverse, not a destructive feat Star can actually perform unless she's somehow manipulates every other version of herself to replicate an event like that, something she is wholly incapable of doing even by the end of the series.

The guidebooks only support the full capacity of the Wand destroying a single dimension, if we're going off of what was already provided here.

So considering the power of the wand, why didn't they kill Globgor when Moon had the wand? Two possibilities: Because the wand doesn't have enough power to kill Globgor or busting their home dimension to kill him would be counter productive. Another point is that we know Moon had mewberty form and was stronger than the wand anyway, so why couldn't she kill him if she's stronger than the weapon that can bust dimensions? So instead of destroying their home world, the only option was to crystalize him forever. Considering just how risky it is to keep Globgor around, why wouldn't they just kill him? So that's why I believe he at least has that Universal Durability.

Well, first off, when Globgor was sealed the current "official" Princess was a baby. There was no current Wand-holder competent enough to use it at full capacity and it's not like the princesses who are skilled enough to perform magic of that scale are common. You could also apply this logic to Eclipsa, who (without magic) demonstrably doesn't have Tier 2 durability and they had her in what was basically a helpless state.

Sure, Rhombulus could un-seal him X years later and they could try nuking him but if we don't know that they actually tried this, then we don't know if the dimension-destroying spell would have killed him. Considering that full-capacity spells from the Wand like Eclipsa's magic can fodderize Solarian Warriors, considering that Solaria's magic could just outright kill him, I'm going to say that evidence shows that it's highly unlikely they actually put all their resources into killing him outright.

I don't think him having Universal durability is something that can actually be proven, even as a possibly rating.

Once again, I agree stuff like Narwhal blast and other fodder spells aren't Tier 2 and only certain spells are.

I mean, yes, but I'm also just talking about stuff like generic energy blasts, too. There's only like 2-3 spells we know that are Tier 2.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Dargoo makes sense. We should apply his solutions now.

 

[Galvino]

No offense, but this is entirely fanon. Star was only causing infinite timelines to collapse because, as Omni explained, she was the only Star out of the infinite versions of herself that failed to solve this problem. That's a screwy mechanic of the SvTFoE multiverse, not a destructive feat Star can actually perform unless she's somehow manipulates every other version of herself to replicate an event like that, something she is wholly incapable of doing even by the end of the series.

None taken. I mean yeah that makes sense, I only put the "maybe multiple dimensions" part cause I wasn't sure and was only proposing the idea, not making a statement. It's more like supporting evidence.

You could also apply this logic to Eclipsa, who (without magic) demonstrably doesn't have Tier 2 durability and they had her in what was basically a helpless state.

Answer me this: If a princess blows up a dimension that they are standing in, why don't they die? It was shown here in the guidebook below that a princess blew up a whole dimension and lived to write down what happened from her point of view. Does this not support the idea of princesses (even without mewberty form) surviving dimensional busting attacks? I know surviving this isn't Tier 2 but we know that in mewberty form that princesses are much stronger and durable, by a lot. Also, wouldn't this support the idea that, since it's likely Globgor has more durability than any princess, that he can also survive a dimension busting attack? As well as Eclipsa who (I'm pretty sure) is the most powerful princess ever?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

If a princess blows up a dimension that they are standing in, why don't they die? It was shown here in the guidebook below that a princess blew up a whole dimension and lived to write down what happened from her point of view.

Isn't it an incredibly common trope in fiction that your own powers exempt you from their effects? I am kind of getting into murky territory for what the wiki considers durability feats, though, and I'm pretty sure most other administrators would accept that so I won't go off too far on it, especially since there's other points I can go on.

Besides that, though. Eclipsa isn't in a constant dipping-down state and she certainly wasn't when she was frozen by Rhombulus. Even if dipping down provided that durability, she wouldn't have it if Moon decided she needed to die unless Moon had some kind of stroke and let her go into Mewberty form every time she unfroze her to try and kill her.

Also, wouldn't this support the idea that, since it's likely Globgor has more durability than any princess, that he can also survive a dimension busting attack? As well as Eclipsa who (I'm pretty sure) is the most powerful princess ever?

I'm not really sure what states Globgor has more durability than any princess, let alone the few princesses who can dip down.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Going through the profiles there's a also a ton of other issues, including broken links (there's a crapton of these, jeez), tiers that aren't really justified (this crater + the small amount of trees broken around River isn't City Block level by a mile, Star just straight-up has zero justifications for dura, this isn't an 8-C explosion and Marco's only other justification for AP/dura is surviving something a bunch of regular humans survived, him harming Meteora is an outlier if I've ever seen one, Ludo has zero linked feats, Hekapoo doesn't have a linked speed justification and planets in SvTFoE are notoriously small + what she did was travel speed), and just generally poor formatting and lack of citations.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

River's crater is High 8-C+

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

River's crater is High 8-C+

He landed on dirt, not rock.

That crater isn't 3 meters deep by any stretch of the imagination. Nor is the width 9 meters unless we're supposed to believe that River is some kind of supergiant.

The calc seriously uses "I just measured an average tree near my house" as a tree width when those trees are hella thin.

Why not compare it to River, instead of using angsizing (what I assume was used for the width here)? Angsizing is faulty for a ton of reasons and direct pixelscaling is better 100% of the time. Okay it uses direct pixelscaling. But Christ it's terrible pixelscaling that has no concept of foreground and background, perspective, or just consistent visuals.