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No, dimension always refers to universe, never planet to unspecified large space, unless you can show an example in SVTFOE. Dimension has always been an alternate universe. That's why they're separate space-times across the multiverse, it'd make no sense that Mewni and Earth are the only universes when they're multiverse hopping and they just suddenly hop into a planet-sized realm.The problem with that is, what "dimension" counts in Star is really weird. It can range from a planet to an unspecified large space, to potentially a universe, etc.
So I wouldn't use that as hard proof.
Omnitraxtus Prime was made to maintain the multiverse and keep it from eating itself, so while yes he's in charge of it, all that'd say is that Omnitraxtus Prime was merged with space-time when Glossaryck created him, his exact entrance is being the universe itself and then creating a form to speak to Star. Also when he gets casually killed by Toffee and nothing happens to space-time, notice how Toffee drains his powers. At very worse it'd be that he killed omnitraxtus prime's avatar on such a scale his true form couldn't interact with the rest of the cast anymore.I haven't read the whole thread, so I haven't seen if there are more augments, but I completely disagree with the OP. Even the current Low 2-C ratings are dodgy. Not only is Omnitraxus saying he is space-time the only thing that gives it a leg to stand on, it's contradicted multiple times. Glossaryck creates when space-time already existed and just put him "in charge" of it, the same way Hekapoo is for interdimensional travel. He also gets casually killed by Toffee and nothing happens to space-time.
Not to mention these feats are so far above anything shown in the verse I don't know how it's not been deemed an outlier. The only other "supporting feat" that I can think of is in the first episode when Moon says "the wand will blow up the universe", or something along those lines, which was clearly not serious and even at face value wouldn't warrant anything above a "possibly" rating.
The infinite timelines statement that we get from Omnitraxus was in the episode where Star does a math problem on an infinite scale in different variations of Earth. Omnitraxus and Star has multiple lines of it in the episode.The problem with that is, what "dimension" counts in Star is really weird. It can range from a planet to an unspecified large space, to potentially a universe, etc.
So I wouldn't use that as hard proof.
Everything in this one paragraph completely botches every single argument made on this thread and fails to adequately represent them.Not to mention these feats are so far above anything shown in the verse I don't know how it's not been deemed an outlier. The only other "supporting feat" that I can think of is in the first episode when Moon says "the wand will blow up the universe", or something along those lines, which was clearly not serious and even at face value wouldn't warrant anything above a "possibly" rating.
This is blatantly false. It's been contradicted multiple times, e.g. Bounce Lounge is called an entire dimension, the planet Mewni,No, dimension always refers to universe, never planet to unspecified large space, unless you can show an example in SVTFOE. Dimension has always been an alternate universe. That's why they're separate space-times across the multiverse, it'd make no sense that Mewni and Earth are the only universes when they're multiverse hopping and they just suddenly hop into a planet-sized realm.
This is just missunderstanding, it's obviously not literal it's obviously just a phrase, a very common one at that, meaning that the things that the things happening inside will be the cause of their own destruction.Omnitraxtus Prime was made to maintain the multiverse and keep it from eating itself, so while yes he's in charge of it, all that'd say is that Omnitraxtus Prime was merged with space-time when Glossaryck created him
Are we seriously using visuals that aren't literal and just for as proof now?
Even he did drain him, he actually gets killed first, and still nothing happened. Also you seem to forget that he got erased from existence and space-time is still fine, so.Also when he gets casually killed by Toffee and nothing happens to space-time, notice how Toffee drains his powers
This is headcanon.At very worse it'd be that he killed omnitraxtus prime's avatar on such a scale his true form couldn't interact with the rest of the cast anymore.
It is an outlier because nothing else in the show comes even close to this. They deal with large energy blasts and explosions and get hurt by then, so yes this even if we take it as legitimate is an outlier.I don't see how it'd be an outlier when it's with their most potent spell and the people that scale are the top tier magic users of the verse, especially when there's no real contradicting feat for them.
It is dodgy. As I said above the word "dimension" is extremely relative in this verse so that point is moot. I already addressed the blow up the universe statement. Having "all the power in the universe" doesn't actually translate to universal AP, that's completely nonsensical, even at face value. I have my own problems with that profile as well, also using Ludo, the most incompetent and least knowledgeable person in the whole show as a completely reliable source is laughable. The chance he knows about the box's existence let alone it's full potential is zero.Also Low 2-C is defo not dodgy, Skywenne can destroy dimensions which are universes and at worse OP embodies the time dimension he and father time reside in, there's also consistent statements of the wand being able to destroy the universe, being all the power in the universe and the most powerful relic in existence which would scale it above Low 2-C objects such as the box of truth. It has froze time to the point that Father Time said Star could've broken it, etc.
Another headcanon. That's never explained why the dimensions merged together, for all we know it could be because of magic dying.Also did you watch S4 cause there's a direct feat of Star and Marco merging the multiverse.
Fair play. Still too inconsistent for me to agree though.Also to note, earth dimension is a great example of this, dimensions names are based off the focal point/point of interest of a dimension, that's why irrelevant dimensions like the one Skywene blew up had just some random numbers added to it, there was no point of interest, so no dimension they enter is the entire size of the dimension but the focal point. Even then these are clearly alternate universes since one of the main draws of the show is traveling across to alternate universes:
Pretty bad argument. And they do have anti feats, all of them, besides Glossaryck have been hurt by their random attacks that haven't shown anywhere near the potency of Low 2-C.Firstly, very few characters in the verse actually scale to any of the Tier 2 stuff physically. Of the current profiles we have, it's just Meteora, Globgor, Omnitraxus, Glossaryck, Mina, and Toffee. All of these cases are completely fine, and they have little to no actual anti-feats for themselves.
All of the things listed here are "feats" only if you assume all of them are Low 2-C.... which is just circular scaling.- Meteora is like the only one of these six that has a couple of anti-feats for her tier. Even then, she has way more supporting Tier 2 physically at the complete height of her power. She did decently against Moon's Butterfly Form and managed to survive Star extracting his Butterfly Form's power to cause a giant explosion. She was pretty much overwhelming Star in that fight too.
- Globgor has like no anti-feats. He was taking on the Magical High Commission and restrained Star in her Butterfly Form. His only loss was against another Low 2-C, being the Solarian Warrior armor.
- Glossaryck is the god tier of the verse and nobody even scales to him. He can break out of Rhombulus' crystals through sheer AP when they can restrain someone like Globgor. His tiering is fine.
- Mina is only Low 2-C with her Solarian Warrior suit. Said suits have like no actual anti-feats as it required Star to amplify herself with Magic to even contest them. Eclipsa had to also use her strongest spell to subdue it as well. One Solarian Warrior took down Globgor in a fight.
- Toffee has no anti-feats that are notable either. All that happens in the fight is that he bodies all of the MHC. He's literally fused with the wand and knows how to use it to its fullest capabilities, unlike Ludo.
Again the usage of the word dimension is way too dodgy in this show to use as an argument for anything.- Skywynne accidentally destroyed a dimension with a blast from the Royal Magic Wand
- Skywynne literally made an entry about how this could happen for future wand bearers in the Magic Books of Spells so that they could restore the dimension they destroyed (which she later did)
This is just outright false, they were literally joined by all the past queens to preform that, so another anti-feat.- Star, Moon, Meteora, and Eclipsa destroyed the Realm of Magic in their Butterfly Forms
???? What? Source?- Star recreated the Realm of Magic by herself using Magic
Already debunked.- Omnitraxus embodies space-time of universes on an infinite scale
- Omnitraxus stops the Multiverse from literally eating itself
Refresh my memory here.- The wand has shown the capability to overwrite timelines
- Star had a spell that damaged time across the entire multiverse
Headcanon. We quite literally not know why the multiverse merged together.- Star and Marco fused the multiverse together at the end of the show
Even if we take this as true, why can't we assume that she didn't "blew up" the focal point.>This was already refuted in the following comment, which you clearly did not read. The dimensions names refer to the focal points, unless you're trying to say Earth is the entire dimension when that's clearly false in their own guidebooks. So no, it is in no way false. Hell, you used a wiki link to try and prove your point here.
You're seriously going to pretend that the phrase "stop it from killing itself" is not a common one.....>Show me how common it is please, also you didn't even refute anything you just claimed something without substantiation burden of proof falls of you.
Yes a visual that's the size of a giant rock is totally a whole universe.>How is it not literal? This is also a loaded question.
Not only is that not a strong argument, him absorbing his power doesn't actually mean that Toffee became space-time himself.>Cinematic timing. He drained him immediately after. When the magic high commission got erased all magic along with it got erased thus there was nothing magically holding the space-time.
High Commision is, and by proxy all the queens and star because otherwise the scaling completely breaks apart.>What are you talking about? None of those explosions are the feats in question nor are ever their most potent spells, Star and co. consistently use tier 9-8 spells as they're fighting enemies of that tier. The most potent spells are only used against serious threats like the Solarian Warriors. Also I feel like you think for whatever reaosn they're physically tier 2 when they're not.
I've never seen so many fallacies in a single comment before. I don't know why you keep repeating this as if you're making an argument, I never used a wiki link as an argument for anything.>Which I refuted and your best refute thus far was using a wiki link and calling Mewni a planet, both points I already covered far before you wrote this comment.
Which universe statement? The one from Moon?You didn't address the universe statement.
I did read your argument, "all the power in the universe" is just a bad argument.I never once said having all the power in the universe translates to universal AP that's blatant strawman and shows me you clearly were not reading my argument
"Fusing" these two statements is fine only if both of these statements are literal and/or are from a reliable sources. Which their not.and fusing with the most powerful relic in existence support it being above the box of truth, so this clearly implies to me you are not reading my arguments correctly whatsoever.
He is still completely incompetent, the whole point was that he never learned anything and stayed the same Ludo even after his whole arc he was still the same old Ludo.Thank you for fully misunderstanding Ludo by this point of the season, Ludo was incompetent from season 1 to 2, by 3 and onwards he got far more competent and this statement is backed up by Toffee's all the power in the universe statement. So I have no clue what you're attempting to refute here. I never said he knew about the box, I'm saying these statements holding the wand in high regard put it above the box, yet another strawman.
Again, this is nothing but headcanon. You keep missing the 2 important details here, the first one that magic is no more, and the second one that when they hugged and the vortex appeared they got sent back to their own realities.>Ok so I assume you have never watched season 4 or else you would obviously know it's become of them. Like this is blatantly incorrect on so many layers
^You literally see both of their cheeks glow, when one glows in SVTFOE that means they're using magic and upon their cheeks glowing you literally see a glowing swirling vortex appear under them
^Notice how the same vortex appears when everything is fusing
Idk why we need it explained when it's visually shown to us.
This is not headcanon, if anything the assumption you used is far more headcanon because that would mean Marco and Star randomly made a vortex of a similar nature and it just stopped there, which would make no sense and be out of nowhere.
>That's not a refute sir, give me legitimate examples, please like I asked you that fits this context, if not hitchen's razor and burden of proof.You're seriously going to pretend that the phrase "stop it from killing itself" is not a common one.....
>What are you talking about?Yes a visual that's the size of a giant rock is totally a whole universe.
>Not what I said whatsoever, this is yet another strawman. I said he absorbed his powerNot only is that not a strong argument, him absorbing his power doesn't actually mean that Toffee became space-time himself.
Are you trying to say the MHC is physically tier 2? Cause that is not the case whatsoever asides from Omnitraxtus Prime. No the scaling doesn't break apart at all, the only people shown to harm OP physically either did it via magic [Toffee], or are greatly above the MHC and the Queens to the point that they can one-shot MHC members asides from OP and easily withhold Mewberty Star [Globgor]. If you're trying to make them physically tier 2 you'd need to argue why they'd be that in this thread.High Commision is, and by proxy all the queens and star because otherwise the scaling completely breaks apart.
Yes you did, what?I've never seen so many fallacies in a single comment before. I don't know why you keep repeating this as if you're making an argument, I never used a wiki link as an argument for anything.
>Except it was literal, what are you talking about?"Fusing" these two statements is fine only if both of these statements are literal and/or are from a reliable sources. Which their not.
>Went to go get his family's deed back, no longer is interested in getting the wand back, and while Star is running by them asks her if she'd like to play a quick game with them. Something the entire episode was about was showing that he learned from his arc, and even then the statement is literally backed up by the statement I gave you. It is obvious by the narrative and the way the scene is shot that it's not meant to be Ludo being incompetent but giving a full speech about his past experiences, which are supported by them actually happening.He is still completely incompetent, the whole point was that he never learned anything and stayed the same Ludo even after his whole arc he was still the same old Ludo.
Again, this is nothing but headcanon. You keep missing the 2 important details here, the first one that magic is no more, and the second one that when they hugged and the vortex appeared they got sent back to their own realities.
>Ok so if magic doesn't exist anymore right, why would the portal exist in the first place? Why is the portal the exact same as the one Star and Marco created? No. You're ignoring how I sent you the context of the scan. It's the exact same vortex they created your refute of "magic is no more" would also **** with your argument that vortex wasn't made by them because why would their be a magical vortex to begin with? Your argument doesn't help justify the side you're arguing for at all, it hampers it itself. You're still not proving your side either btw, so again hitchen's razor.Both those situations you describe make far more sense and require far less assumptions if we assume that what we saw was just them being sent back to their respective dimensions, rather than they were using magic when magic explicitly didn't exist anymore."
Did you not read what either of us had to say on the matter earlier?This is blatantly false. It's been contradicted multiple times, e.g. Bounce Lounge is called an entire dimension, the planet Mewni,
>Calls it a bad argumentPretty bad argument. And they do have anti feats, all of them, besides Glossaryck have been hurt by their random attacks that haven't shown anywhere near the potency of Low 2-C.
That's not what circular scaling is. And by circular scaling, I believe you mean circular reasoning.All of the things listed here are "feats" only if you assume all of them are Low 2-C.... which is just circular scaling.
You say this, but you don't give any actual reasoning. Imagine if I just said "no" to every single one of your points. I'm pretty sure you'd tell me that's not a refute. The same applies for baseless statements without evidence.Again the usage of the word dimension is way too dodgy in this show to use as an argument for anything.
Can you tell me where in that video the past queens are helping them? They are literally just standing there to watch it happen. Everyone who is erasing the Realm of Magic was explicitly in a Butterfly Form. They were not. Put two and two together.This is just outright false, they were literally joined by all the past queens to preform that, so another anti-feat.
It's a pretty powerful source... Logic.???? What? Source?
You never replied to the fact Giver postulated how Omnitraxus would've just become one with after Glossaryck created him. As far as the thread is concerned, you've not debunked diddly squat until you actually address that point.Already debunked.
Here.Refresh my memory here.
How is it headcanon at all? We see Marco and Star's cheeks glowing as they are teleported out of the decaying Realm of Magic back to their homes. Then, not long after, the entire multiverse is just suddenly in one. It's pretty self-evident they are the cause of the multiverse coming together because the whole point was that nothing could separate them. You arguing it's headcanon goes against the entire narrative, the themes, and the general logic of the finale.Another headcanon. That's never explained why the dimensions merged together, for all we know it could be because of magic dying. We quite literally not know why the multiverse merged together.
Ok, how about this. Why don't you post the scan from the book itself here first.>The fact that the dimension she blew up not only didn't have a point of interest, hence it had a bland number based name. But also, the statement itself says that the dimension was no more.
So you're going to blatantly ignore how that's objectively false, and that it wasn't the actual sky that shrank, because you can quite literally see the sky behind him after he shrinks?You literally see him embody the sky and shrink himself down to a giant humanoid figure. If you're going to be sarcastic at least provide better reason then that
So why didn't the space-time end then?>Not what I said whatsoever, this is yet another strawman. I said he absorbed his power
If Omnitraxus is and you scale casual Toffee to him and you assume he absorbed his power and you proceed to scale people of him, then yes. You can't avoid that it all circles back around.Are you trying to say the MHC is physically tier 2? Cause that is not the case whatsoever asides from Omnitraxtus Prime. No the scaling doesn't break apart at all, the only people shown to harm OP physically either did it via magic [Toffee], or are greatly above the MHC and the Queens to the point that they can one-shot MHC members asides from OP and easily withhold Mewberty Star [Globgor]. If you're trying to make them physically tier 2 you'd need to argue why they'd be that in this thread.
I literally didn't. You just said that I did, all I did was point to something I was referring to and was more convenient to post the wiki article than to go search through episodes and post a screen shot. And you keep trying to falsely try to make it appear as if that's all my argument is in order for you to discredit it.Yes you did, what?
You keep saying strawman, when all you do is strawman yourself.>You didn't for the reasons I explained in my argument. You literally tried to say I used that as a reason for Low 2-C AP when I used that to say that via the statement and Ludo's later statement that helps support it scaling above the Box of Truth, especially when the All the Power in the universe statement comes from Toffee a valid source. Do not strawman my point again please, thx.
You don't even realize why I said you're using circular logic did you? Refer to my comment above, you completely miss my point.>This isn't circular logic objectively. Circular logic would be me saying the Wand scales to the Box of Truth because it's tier 2 and the Box of Truth scales to the wand because it's also tier 2. That's not what I'm doing here, also no Ludo would not need to be aware of the box since this statement is referring to the power of the wand itself, that's the way the scene is envisioned and everything.
Please stop using words you don't know the meaning of.>Ok so if magic doesn't exist anymore right, why would the portal exist in the first place? Why is the portal the exact same as the one Star and Marco created? No. You're ignoring how I sent you the context of the scan. It's the exact same vortex they created your refute of "magic is no more" would also **** with your argument that vortex wasn't made by them because why would their be a magical vortex to begin with? Your argument doesn't help justify the side you're arguing for at all, it hampers it itself. You're still not proving your side either btw, so again hitchen's razor.
So you're giving input and calling this wrong despite the fact that you've actually never read before? Yeah, you should've been just asking for scans from the bat, not making random arguments that were false and made from ignorance. Like, I'm not trying to be rude, but you are wasting everyone's time if this is how you've been approaching these arguments.Ok, how about this. Why don't you post the scan from the book itself here first.
Calm down with your aggression. Both you and Giver have been nothing but hostile because someone disagreed with you.So you're giving input and calling this wrong despite the fact that you've actually never read before? Yeah, you should've been just asking for scans from the bat, not making random arguments that were false and made from ignorance. Like, I'm not trying to be rude, but you are wasting time if this is how you've been approaching these arguments.
Nah, Giver's been pretty tame. That's not why I'm being aggressive. It's that you were arguing about a scan being wrong when you just asked to see it like after multiple replies. That would be the definition of wasting time, and you would literally annoy anyone that way.Calm down with your aggression. Both you and Giver have been nothing but hostile because someone disagreed with you.
And yes I have read it. Nice assumption.
Neither you nor Giver have been even slightly tame. You've been nothing but rude since either of your posts.Nah, Giver's been pretty tame. That's not why I'm being aggressive.
I asked to see it after multiple replies when I realized that there was no reasoning with them.It's that you were arguing about a scan being wrong when you just asked to see it like after multiple replies.
Just because both of us have seen it doesn't mean that we should be arguing about a scan no one but us can claim the validity without any evidence on what is said.If you've seen it, then you should have no problem discussing it and needing to see it again.
Neither have you. Your first reply to both of us involved you saying all of our points were just wrongful headcanons and being incredibly dismissive of our points. Most of what you are perceiving as being rude is just being blunt with facts.Neither you nor Giver have been even slightly tame. You've been nothing but rude since either of your posts.
We talked about this earlier. There was a scan that mentioned that far before you even touched this thread.I asked to see it after multiple replies when I realized that there was no reasoning with them.
No one else is discussing this aside from you, me, and Giver. It's irrelevant to bring up if all parties know what we're talking about. That's pretty much what you've been doing this whole time when giving very few links.Just because both of us have seen it doesn't mean that we should be arguing about a scan no one but us can claim the validity without any evidence on what is said.
It already was.This scan should've been provided the first time they made the argument.
Now you're just lying. That was my second post. After both you and Giver's have already proven to be extremely hostile and aggressive. And me calling your points headcanon isn't being rude it's just an objective fact. Using your own interpretation with no evidence to suggest anything is literally guesswork and headcanon, there is no other way to word it.Neither have you. Your first reply to both of us involved you saying all of our points were just wrongful headcanons and being incredibly dismissive of our points.
So instead of you throwing jabs and continuing to be aggressive you could've just pointed to there.We talked about this earlier. There was a scan that mentioned that far before you even touched this thread.
It is completely relevant, because this isn't a casual conversation in a chat, it's a revision.No one else is discussing this aside from you, me, and Giver. It's irrelevant to bring up if all parties know what we're talking about. That's pretty much what you've been doing this whole time when giving very few links.
Which you could've pointed to instead of being rude.It already was.
I am completely on track, you are the one that created this discussion. And I'm not being dismissive.Please stay on track and reply to the points. This isn't an argument on he said, she said. I'll tone down, but you need to stop being so dismissive if you want this discussion to go somewhere.
What I'm saying is on point. This was the last thing you said before Giver and I replied. Your next reply was putting it all in one bunched up thing.Now you're just lying. That was my second post. After both you and Giver's have already proven to be extremely hostile and aggressive. And me calling your points headcanon isn't being rude it's just an objective fact. Using your own interpretation with no evidence to suggest anything is literally guesswork and headcanon, there is no other way to word it.
Why would I have to though? Is it not a fair assessment that you'd read a thread before commenting on the details of it? I am aware you said you didn't read everything beforehand, but you've had a lot of time since then to make sure you've covered everything. That's only fair since you were called here to give your input.So instead of you throwing jabs and continuing to be aggressive you could've just pointed to there.
Why are you just now making a big deal out of this? We've asked you at multiple points to provide instances and you've given very little. Also, we wouldn't need to post it because it already was. Giver and I haven't been treating this as a casual conversation as we've given scans, idk about your outlook though.It is completely relevant, because this isn't a casual conversation in a chat, it's a revision.
There is a difference between being blunt and being rude.Which you could've pointed to instead of being rude.
I told you I am willing to continue this conversation back on topic. You're the one who made a reply trying to get the last word in. Look, Giver put it pretty simply. This is derailing. You can reply to this if you want, but I'm not going to counter again. I'm trying to extend the olive branch and your response is trying to snap it right now.I am completely on track, you are the one that created this discussion. And I'm not being dismissive.
Thank you.
You literally said "he embodies the sky and shrunk". Which is what I was referring, and almost as if those galaxies isn't an actual galaxy and just a visual effect. Enforced by the fact that you yourself state.>Where did I say the sky shrank? Literally read my comment, I said he shrunk himself down.
Also you literally see the galaxy itself shrink:
You also see him return back to the sky form after he says “Omnitraxtus Prime has spoken”:
Literally all your points you use go against your argument.Also oh no a background?! It’s almost like this dude can go inside of himself:
Both of those reasons are outright headcanon, and neither explain why space-time didn't end.>I already answered this, I hope you realize absorbing one’s power doesn’t = you become the exact thing they were. He contains omnitraxus prime’s power he isn’t literally omnitraxus prime. Also I already gave an alternative point to this which is he damaged omnitraxus prime’s avatar on a scale his true form could not come back and interact with reality and I already proven above how he can make avatars and how he does it regularly.
It inadvertently scales back to him because his casual blasts before he even "absorbed" Omnitraxus were Low 2-C.>Why does absorbing his power = Toffee is now physically tier 2? What? I’m pretty sure absorbing a power on this wiki from the profiles I saw doesn’t make you the same physical tier as it unless you’re like, specifically stated to be so, and the Magic High Commission easily lost to him + he uses shields to block attacks from them, so no he doesn't physically get amped to tier 2:
Now you're literally making up arguments I literally never used.>I sent a link that directly showed that, and you literally just admitted in this comment you used a wiki link apart of your argument, it doesn’t matter the reason why you did it for the fact of the matter is you used a wiki article and I have link that directly proves that, so this is objectively false. Also no, I used it specifically for your dimension point cause that’s literally the only source of “evidence” you gave and your own evidence backfired against you.
And you're continuing to strawman. You're completely ignoring every single other comment I posted in regards to this that shows I never did what you claim I did.>This is irony at it’s finest. I’ll explain this as simply as possible, I’m going to directly quote what you said then what I said:
“Having "all the power in the universe" doesn't actually translate to universal AP, that's completely nonsensical, even at face value.”
This is what you said objectively.
Now let’s ready what I said:
“Skywenne can destroy dimensions which are universes and at worse OP embodies the time dimension he and father time reside in, there's also consistent statements of the wand being able to destroy the universe, being all the power in the universe and the most powerful relic in existence which would scale it above Low 2-C objects such as the box of truth.”
It's not a valid method at all.>I didn’t ignore it, I directly commented on it in my reply, but allow me to say this again. That’s not at all valid nor true lmao. My premise is that it is consistently stated to be the most powerful object thus it should scale above a random object that’s a certain tier. This is a consistently used method btw to scale objects on the wiki, I mean look at these:
This is only true if it was those two statements weren't completely disconnected from eachother and were stated by a reliable character. Neither of those requirements you meet.“If the Wand is the strongest object in existence, then it scales to the Box of Truth”
There’s nothing wrong with that, it’s a simple if P then Q statement.
So you're either intentionally ignoring it, or you're just not realizing what I'm saying.>No I very much did realize and outright debunked that.
How is that out of no where.... We know the multiverse is connected because of magic, take magic out of the equation and what happens?>Why would the multiverse try to fix itself by merging into one? Like what? This is a random assumption that comes out of nowhere. Nothing at all implies the multiverse is damaged or beyond repair after they destroy the realm of magic.
I agree. Tell your pal Ploz to drop it.Also let's not play the "X has been hostile" card, at worse it's aggressive comments, oh well, it's not like direct insults or anything have come out. Let's stick to the facts, not to whose been hostile, it's a waste of time and not relevant to the thread.
So you quite literally posted the evidence that you're wrong and you're trying to argue you're .... right?What I'm saying is on point. This was the last thing you said before Giver and I replied. Your next reply was putting it all in one bunched up thing.
Because I asked for it, and instead of you being reasonable you chose to be rude.Why would I have to though? Is it not a fair assessment that you'd read a thread before commenting on the details of it? I am aware you said you didn't read everything beforehand, but you've had a lot of time since then to make sure you've covered everything. That's only fair since you were called here to give your input.
I've haven't not given anything that I've claimed. No idea what you're talking about here.Why are you just now making a big deal out of this? We've asked you at multiple points to provide instances and you've given very little. Also, we wouldn't need to post it because it already was. Giver and I haven't been treating this as a casual conversation as we've given scans, idk about your outlook though.
I agree, you're being the latter, as you yourself admitted.There is a difference between being blunt and being rude.
You started this discussion because you couldn't resist to throw a jab at me. Then when I responded to that, you continued to not only admit you were intentionally aggressive but kept pushing this discussion. And now you're trying to get out of it as if I'm the one that "replayed first"? That's just deflecting.I told you I am willing to continue this conversation back on topic. You're the one who made a reply trying to get the last word in. Look, Giver put it pretty simply. This is derailing. You can reply to this if you want, but I'm not going to counter again. I'm trying to extend the olive branch and your response is trying to snap it right now.
^ThisStop arguing over who's being hostile and what-not and go back to just debating.
This is getting ridiculous. Just reply to my points man and let's move on. I feel like I'm doing the faker scene from SA2 with you right now.Ploz and Giver please stop continuing this.
Drop it now.