He implied that 14 Year Old Obito was a bigger threat than Pain was. So I can only imagine how much stronger he got since then.
Okay so everyone is scaling from Gaara's calc.
You are correct, my second point still stands though.
Kisame should be comparable to 6th Gate Guy in base like I mentioned before. This is because 30% Kisame pushed Guy to use the 6th Gate, which implies he's superior to or comparable to the 5th gate at least.
Wasn't the Obito that fought Minato amped by zetsu/fused with zetsu or sumn? and that's not the case when he fought Konan? or am I misremembering?
Deidara scales to Gaara off AP, not Dura. Gaara casually destroyed his arm. Nothing says otherwise. Dura feats need to be looked into consideration via actual durability feats and striking strength AP = Dura logic.
Sakura doesn’t scale above him.
He one-shot Gaara, and implied that he was holding back so he didn’t kill him.
Actually, Deidara was able to cause some damage to massive sand arms that Gaara created.
She shattered the Third Kazekage puppet, she punched Sasori’s main body (which is stronger than the Third Kazekage) into pieces.
Actually, she sent a block of iron sand flying with a single punch.
Literally nobody said that it was.
Based on what evidence are all these people just jōnin level? Kakashi is a Hokage candidate, Naruto and Sakura are both on par with him.
Okay but why would he scale off AP? He never managed to counter any of his attacks or got into any struggles with him, so either he would scale to the durability of the sand, or he wouldnt.
Just making a statement here, Kisame's performance was not 30%. He just had 30% chakra. Kisame had larger amounts of chakra than Naruto. Nothing says he was 30% weaker, it just means he can fight for 30% his previous time.
Not to be annoying, but that would just have a chain of feats to explain why that should be important.
Never scale off of rank. Naruto and Sasuke were genin when they beat Kaguya.
I absolutely agree, we should never scale off rank, im just mentioning it in this situation because there is nothing supporting them already being Kage level at this point.
That Sasuke doesn't have town level dura we already scaled him above 7-A. These are revisions so ignore what their current profiles say about their AP and Dura.
Armor of Sand. Deidara bypassed that.
Ahem. You can see sand flying off of the points of impact.
His main body is all around superior to the Third Kazekage, so... Also Sakura survived several strikes from the Iron Sand and only fell over due to the poison.
Incorrect. If her AP was nowhere near the thing, she wouldn’t have even budged it, let alone sent it flying.
You just shot your own argument in the foot. By your logic here, Naruto and Sakura aren’t even jōnin level. So no, nothing contradicts them being this strong. And Asuma does not scale at all. He scales to Kakashi in Part I. Not Part II.
I fail to see why this is a problem. Several verses on the wiki have shit like this.
Where did you get Town level from? Taka Sasuke is ‘At least Mountain level, possibly higher.’
Makes sense.
I'm not saying it's a problem, I'm saying it's just difficult to explain in a thread like this. Cause we'll be going back and forth to explain where he scales, then we'll get off track and such.
Yes but why should the durability of his hand, scale to his AP, rather than the best thing it has tanked?
That is a fair point, but it’s not really avoidable.
It’s alright. Here’s the sandbox to show what most of the ratings will be.
Because it’s still his sand? Why would you randomly assume the sand changes durability?
It was still able to disperse some of the sand from the hand (while Deidara was holding back, I remind you). And we already established that Deidara’s durability was inconsistent early in the thread. You’re just talking about stuff that was already discussed.
She survived the attacks, yes.
A Tier 8 attack isn’t launching something with 7-A durability. The peak of Tier 8 is one kiloton. The Iron Sand would be baseline 7-A, 100 megatons. That is a 100,000x difference.
Except, you know, their feats?
Nope. Asuma said himself that he was weaker than both of them. So he’s not scaling.
Yeah, the ones I didn’t justify were ones that I couldn’t think of any real dura feats for. I’d appreciate any help finding some though.
Gaara uses the same sand for durability that he uses for attack. Also all of his sand is superior to the random desert sand he used for his 99 megatons calc, so no matter what, it is 7-A.
See above.
If Sakura was vastly inferior like you seem to think she is, she would’ve had way more injuries than some minor cuts. If she was just jōnin level, like you seem to think she is, she would be dead. She scales.
It does though. If Sakura was 100,000x weaker than that thing’s durability, she would’ve broken her hand trying to punch it, let alone move it.
So... your argument is that the feats are incorrect because you don’t think they are? Cause you haven’t given any actual feats or statements to contradict them being this strong.
We’ve been trying to figure out where jōnin scale. If we don’t scale the elite jōnin like Asuma to Kitsuchi’s 7-C/Low 7-B calcs (another elite jōnin), then they’d just be ‘At least 8-A, likely higher’ for scaling above the Sound Four. And I’m sure someone would bring up “something something piercing/cutting damage” in response to Asuma decapitating Hidan. Although if you did take that feat into account, Asuma would likely only be 7-B+ for that since Hidan is baseline and Asuma himself admits that Hidan is above him.
The armor of sand being weaker than sand shield is literaly contradicted by feats in Gaara vs Lee. For example weigthless Lee was able to punch through Gaaras sand shield, but he wasn't able to completely break the sand armor even while using gates.
Lmfao
