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Lloydblitzed
Can I get your opinion on this fight since you support Pitch's verse?
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Pitch Black (Rise of The Gardians) vs Kai (Ninjago) [0-7-0] (GRACE ENDED)

Kai (again, but on a new form yet again) vs Pitch Black (My fav Dreamwork villain) Rules: Pilots-Season 16 Base Kai key is used for Kai Nightmare King key is used for Pitch Black For the sake of a actual fair battle, Kai believes in Pitch Black Fight ends when one can K.O the other Fight takes...
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Lloydblitzed
Can I get your opinion on this fight since you support OK KO verse
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Kai (Ninjago) vs President of The Universe (OK K.O.! Let's Be Heroes) [1-0-0]

The Rizz God vs The President of The Universe Rules: Pilots-Season 16 Base Kai key is used The President cannot use his Reality Warping and is limited to 4-C attacks Speed is equalized Fight takes place in a random abandonned ruined city Starting distance: 20 m SBA for the rest President: Kai...
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Ednaxel2
Heyy, can you please give some input in this revision? It's pretty straight forward
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PvZ AP Changes

New scaling for PvZ1/2 high tiers Going off the calculation below, powered up Shadow Peashooter with Plant Food is City Block level, seeing how this damage is 500, this upscales any Plant who scales to that damage up into that tier as well. In that same blog Plants who deal 1,800 were downgraded...
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Ednaxel2
Heyy, can you please give some input in this revision? It's pretty straight forward
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PvZ AP Changes

New scaling for PvZ1/2 high tiers Going off the calculation below, powered up Shadow Peashooter with Plant Food is City Block level, seeing how this damage is 500, this upscales any Plant who scales to that damage up into that tier as well. In that same blog Plants who deal 1,800 were downgraded...
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Can you sign off on this?
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Nier Tweaks

Title says it all. I've used the spoiler function to make this more easily consumed and less of an eye sore. Additions Modifications/removals
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Reiner04
Hey qaws, can u take a look at this thread?
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Beyblade revision

Ill try to make this as simple as possible: Few months ago Beyblade or specifically entire Metal Saga got a huge return on the internet and social media which made me happy So by rewatching the show and by looking at the profiles here i noticed that the scaling isnt quite clear: First:I want to...
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CodeCCLL
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Minor Soul Manipulation Addition For Alastor

Hello! I just watched the series yesterday, and when I looked at the Hazbin Hotel profiles today, I noticed that the part where Alastor threatens to tear Husk's soul apart was not included in Alastor's profile. Yes, that's all. Agree: @DarkDragonMedeus, @Maverick_Zero_X Neutral: Disagree:
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A minor addition, it would be nice if you indicate which of the possibly or likely ratings is better when evulating the OP.
Ednaxel2
Could you please give your input here?
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PvZ AP Changes

New scaling for PvZ1/2 high tiers Going off the calculation below, powered up Shadow Peashooter with Plant Food is City Block level, seeing how this damage is 500, this upscales any Plant who scales to that damage up into that tier as well. In that same blog Plants who deal 1,800 were downgraded...
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Ednaxel2
Could you please give your input here?
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PvZ AP Changes

New scaling for PvZ1/2 high tiers Going off the calculation below, powered up Shadow Peashooter with Plant Food is City Block level, seeing how this damage is 500, this upscales any Plant who scales to that damage up into that tier as well. In that same blog Plants who deal 1,800 were downgraded...
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Ednaxel2
Could you please give your input in this thread?
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PvZ AP Changes

New scaling for PvZ1/2 high tiers Going off the calculation below, powered up Shadow Peashooter with Plant Food is City Block level, seeing how this damage is 500, this upscales any Plant who scales to that damage up into that tier as well. In that same blog Plants who deal 1,800 were downgraded...
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SheevShezarrine
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SheevShezarrine
SheevShezarrine
Damn that is slanted. So I'm guessing for Horus v Mithras fight to have been as fair as it was, there had to have been something weakening Horus, since at his normal level of power he can do better against an Ante than any 4th Gen. Is there any suggestion that Horus was being negatively affected at the time?
Udlmaster
Udlmaster
As far as I'm aware, there wasn't, and it was in Horus' domain, so I consider it a huge outlier for Mithras' power, especially since Mithras was forced into torpor by the German Blitz.
SheevShezarrine
SheevShezarrine
I coulda sworn Horus' domain was in Geneva Switzerland
Ednaxel2
Hello! Could you please give your input to this CRT?
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PvZ AP Changes

New scaling for PvZ1/2 high tiers Going off the calculation below, powered up Shadow Peashooter with Plant Food is City Block level, seeing how this damage is 500, this upscales any Plant who scales to that damage up into that tier as well. In that same blog Plants who deal 1,800 were downgraded...
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Ednaxel2
Hello! Could you please give your input to this CRT?
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PvZ AP Changes

New scaling for PvZ1/2 high tiers Going off the calculation below, powered up Shadow Peashooter with Plant Food is City Block level, seeing how this damage is 500, this upscales any Plant who scales to that damage up into that tier as well. In that same blog Plants who deal 1,800 were downgraded...
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Ednaxel2
Could you please give your input in this thread?
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PvZ AP Changes

New scaling for PvZ1/2 high tiers Going off the calculation below, powered up Shadow Peashooter with Plant Food is City Block level, seeing how this damage is 500, this upscales any Plant who scales to that damage up into that tier as well. In that same blog Plants who deal 1,800 were downgraded...
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Lynieryz
Sorry to bother you, but could you evaluate this crt and call other mods to evaluate too? Thank you🚂💨
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[Fate] Removing some resistances

It's very simple, there is resistance that doesn't even come from something being resisted but from the opposite, yes, it literally use scans of a character being affected by hax as a justification for resistance...
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Lloydblitzed
Can I get your input on the CM type 1 part here?
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Ninjago Abilities Upgrade

Well, these are abilities I was supposed to add them two weeks ago, but I was waiting until they were completed a Conceptual Manipulation, which Minaaaa explained, and now I will add a number of abilities for Ninja and some Ninjago characters. Kai: Explosion Manipulation (Fier elemental she can...
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Lloydblitzed
Lloydblitzed
Can you lock the thread since CM Type 1 is pretty much rejected but the rest was accepted
LephyrTheRevanchist
Mentioning it here as to not derail the thread:

What Deagon is questioning is a standards thing, not a verse thing. If a verse has "multiple realities", would it truly be Type 1 concepts. He is unsure on the standards there, as the pages are admittedly kinda ambivalent about it. That's why he's asking the experts about it.
Lloydblitzed
Can I get your input on this minor CRT? We only need 1 more staff input, and the verse doesn't get much attention in the wiki usually
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Ninjago Abilities Upgrade

Well, these are abilities I was supposed to add them two weeks ago, but I was waiting until they were completed a Conceptual Manipulation, which Minaaaa explained, and now I will add a number of abilities for Ninja and some Ninjago characters. Kai: Explosion Manipulation (Fier elemental she can...
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Elyartaker
Hello!
Sorry for bothering, I know you are busy right now.
But wanted to ask will there be QnA thread about the changes or we can just ask them here?
since I have a lot of questions not just from myself, but many others that can't speak English hahaha kinda representing them
Thanks
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Elyartaker
Elyartaker
oh I see thanks so I might bother you again haha sorry.



First of all about quantity, can inaccessible amount of baseline outerversal reach high outerversal? or would it still be baseline outerversal since it is still the same quality?

I was thinking to myself about EMR (extended model realism) and apophatic theology. Can these reach above low outerversal?
I don't know about the former but the latter might have solid arguments for Tier 0.

Well it's clear mathematical differences are low outerversal at best.
so how about math differences in higher qualities? is it possible to have math on a higher quality? For example a character 7 layers into outerversal that scales to inaccessible cardinal on that level of quality (which should be superior to even Mahlo or absolute Infinity of someone 6 layers into outerversal)
in short, higher quality of math ON that level of quality.
or are these nonsense and can't be applied?

we know BDE can reach baseline outerversal, so I assume we can have higher levels of BDE thus higher levels of quality yeah?

other than BDE, what other hax or existence type can reach outerversal? NEP? also being above dimensionality should be baseline yeah? How about being above concept of dimensionality?

Finally about nonduality and transduality and plurality or just overall duality since it's confusing for me, how high can it scale? Like can being above it be Tier 0? (this one from a nasuverse fan, mostly for ryougi shiki, asking if anyone or being can reach tier 0 in nasuverse)

I'm so sorry for asking this much and it's okay if you decide to answer them later.
Thanks
Ultima_Reality
Ultima_Reality
First of all about quantity, can inaccessible amount of baseline outerversal reach high outerversal? or would it still be baseline outerversal since it is still the same quality?

It would remain baseline, yeah.

I was thinking to myself about EMR (extended model realism) and apophatic theology. Can these reach above low outerversal?
I don't know about the former but the latter might have solid arguments for Tier 0.

Extended Modal Realism is High 1-A+. Though if you take it fully seriously, it's probably not tierable. Not any more than, say, trivialism is.

As for Apophatic Theology: It's already built into Tier 0, since Tier 0 by necessity entails being so transcendent that you are totally incommensurate with any concept or ontological feature whatsoever, insofar as those exist in a framework of differences, divisions, inequalities, etc. The end result of this is:

1) Any language applied to it is, at best, analogical in nature. Since our intellection is used to apprehend things that are "such-and-such" and exist inside a system of divisions and differences and whatnot. It doesn't really translate fully when you move beyond this system and into a thing beyond divisions entirely.

2) It can only be defined in terms of itself. There cannot be a numerical multitude of Tier 0s, and much less can there be something above a Tier 0. So, combined with the above (They're mutually causing in a sense, even), there's no prior, more fundamental thing which you can define a Tier 0 being in relation to. In that vein, it's like, the ultimate primitive notion, pretty much.

So, yeah, it basically is a form of apophaticism. It just doesn't necessarily enter into the more radical forms of it, where you can't even refer to the thing at all, and every statement about it is an equivocation, and yada yada. Not every form of apophatic theology boils down to that. It's a linguistic method, first and foremost, and the actual concept that it was developed to make sense of is more important. Though usage of apophaticism, of course, generally points to said concept.

so how about math differences in higher qualities? is it possible to have math on a higher quality? For example a character 7 layers into outerversal that scales to inaccessible cardinal on that level of quality (which should be superior to even Mahlo or absolute Infinity of someone 6 layers into outerversal)
in short, higher quality of math ON that level of quality.

Yeah, that can happen.

we know BDE can reach baseline outerversal, so I assume we can have higher levels of BDE thus higher levels of quality yeah?

Yeah.

other than BDE, what other hax or existence type can reach outerversal? NEP?

I suppose you can describe NEP in a way that nets you 1-A. But that goes for a lot of things, so, not exactly a very meaningful statement.

also being above dimensionality should be baseline yeah? How about being above concept of dimensionality?

Depends on how elaborate the statement is. Being described as "above dimensions" even in the correct sense can be Low 1-A, too.

Finally about nonduality and transduality and plurality or just overall duality since it's confusing for me, how high can it scale? Like can being above it be Tier 0? (this one from a nasuverse fan, mostly for ryougi shiki, asking if anyone or being can reach tier 0 in nasuverse)

The Root seems very much Tier 0 to me, for what's worth.

As for the question: Transduality as we currently define it is honestly god-awful. I don't think the power is even inherently quantifiable going by the current treatment of it.
Elyartaker
Elyartaker
Thank you so much
GrathOfLux
I don't believe it would be in anyone's best interest to rile up tensions on the thread further by addressing the comment there, so I will say this here.

If you promise that when it’s done that this will be closed when it’s concluded or dormant then sure, I’ll drop this topic and leave it be.
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You will drop the topic and leave it be not because someone else will concede to your demand, but because you have been warned already earlier in the thread for continuing the topic and you have promptly ignored this warning.

If how these threads have been handled and Deagonx's conduct therein is worthy of this vitriol, then take it up with me privately. You will be heard out and respected for your concerns. If it is not worthy of this vitriol, then separate yourself from the discussion until you no longer feel it. There is no excuse for perpetuating this drama at this stage. Every point you could have made has been made.
Majinere566
Byasura. What is the value of 4koa Meliodas and what is the scaling chain for him?
ByAsura
ByAsura
As of the last thread, 4KoA Meliodas just scaled to his Post-Purgatory ratings (so same as Ban, by using his 2nd Mark).

It was like 2x his Post-Purgatory ratings before Behemoth, but that was via Tristan upscaling.
Majinere566
Majinere566
Thanks. What about 4koa Arthur?
ByAsura
ByAsura
Physically, he's in the same overall league as 2nd Mark Meliodas.

In terms of Chaos hax, he scales above the Lady of the Lake and (no surprises here) Chaos.
Everything12
Hey Ultima, I've got something I want clarifying. How knowledgeable are you on Hilbert Spaces?
Ultima_Reality
Ultima_Reality
Depends entirely on the content of the actual question. Shoot.
Everything12
Everything12
So am I wrong in thinking that the "infinite dimensions" of Hilbert Space are not Tierable dimensions but instead more properties an objects possesses; including things like velocity, spin, etc. With Hilbert Space not actually being a theoretical physical space but instead a purely mathematical concept, as usable in cosmology scaling as a graph on a piece of paper.

Speaking of course entirely based on the real life theory and not any additional spin that depends on a specific writers interpretations.
Ultima_Reality
Ultima_Reality
I mean, generally speaking, infinite-dimensional hilbert spaces are going to be just mathematical models. They're really just convenient tools to do algebra with; so, in quantum mechanics you'll always see a system of x-many possible states being modelled as a space of x-many dimensions, each state of it corresponding to a vector in that space.

But they can be actual things, too. I think Max Tegmark, for example, has described a Type III Multiverse as being one where timelines indeed are embedded inside an actual infinite-dimensional space. Those cases are where my knowledge of the topic mostly ceases, though.
Lloydblitzed
Can you check this minor CRT? We only need 1 staff input
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Ninjago Abilities Upgrade

Well, these are abilities I was supposed to add them two weeks ago, but I was waiting until they were completed a Conceptual Manipulation, which Minaaaa explained, and now I will add a number of abilities for Ninja and some Ninjago characters. Kai: Explosion Manipulation (Fier elemental she can...
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Rockysbalboa
Okay, I'm not going to drag this out, my character splits time in two and so does probability, so they come to a state of existence and non-existence, they can enter and exit this state as they wish and they can also remove someone.

And when our character is on this plane, they are in a timeless purgatory/nothingness and normal characters cannot interact with them, in short, a different causal system

Can we give nep 3 and aca 4 from here? At the same time, our character can reduce someone in this plane, so should he also get their negation?

There are more abilities and they are all very important if you are interested please look (Rick and morty)
Rockysbalboa
Okay, I'm not going to drag this out, my character splits time in two and so does probability, so they come to a state of existence and non-existence, they can enter and exit this state as they wish and they can also remove someone.

And when our character is on this plane, they are in a timeless purgatory/nothingness and normal characters cannot interact with them, in short, a different causal system

Can we give nep 3 and aca 4 from here? At the same time, our character can reduce someone in this plane, so should he also get their negation?

There are more abilities and they are all very important if you are interested please look (Rick and morty)
Jaften
Jaften
I'm JBW staff, you're barking up the wrong tree
Lloydblitzed
Can you evaluate this minor CRT? only need 1 staff input
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Ninjago Abilities Upgrade

Well, these are abilities I was supposed to add them two weeks ago, but I was waiting until they were completed a Conceptual Manipulation, which Minaaaa explained, and now I will add a number of abilities for Ninja and some Ninjago characters. Kai: Explosion Manipulation (Fier elemental she can...
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