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Sailor Moon vs Pegasus Seiya

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Gojira1234

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Battle takes place in outer space (ooooh)

Usagi: 7 (LoyalservantofInti, Paulo.junior.969, Iamunanimousinthat, Burning Full Fingers, ScarletFirefly, WilliamShadow, Josif1)

Seiya: 7 (Sage God Slayer, Dragonmasterxyz, RoyGundam, Scarletmoon56, BiasedHater, The real cal howard, Matthew Schroeder)

Inconclusive: 1 (Monarch Laciel)

Both are serious about winning. Victory by death. Speed is equalized. Battle is split into 4 rounds:

Round 1: Base Sailor Moon vs Pegasus Bronze Cloth Seiya

Round 2: Super Sailor Moon vs Pegasus Gold Cloth Seiya

Round 3: Eternal Sailor Moon vs Pegasus God Cloth Seiya

Final Round: Neo-Queen Serenity (Lambda Usagi) vs Divine Pegasus Cloth Seiya (9th Sense)
 
Is speed equalized ? Because Seiya has possibly the third highest calced speed after Superboy-Prime and Flash (Wally West).
 
Seiya is powerscaled to a (10^30)c feat. The only feat actually higher than this is Flash's (10^41)c feat

Without speed equalized, Seiya blitzes hard
 
Ok I'll equalize speed then. Also @Rin I think Usagi is immortal too, at least as Neo-Queen Serenity.
 
I'm not very familiar with Sailor moon, but I took a quick look on their profiles, and, yeah, Sailor Moon seems to have better hax, and since speed is equal, it prevents Seiya from blitzing her, so, yeah, vote for Sailor Moon.
 
Round 1: Base Sailor Moon vs Pegasus Bronze Cloth Seiya. = 4C vs 4C to 3C, Seiya has resist to her hax, 8th sense and adapts to her while getting stronger so he takes this round.

Round 2: Super Sailor Moon vs Pegasus Gold Cloth Seiya = Likely 3C VS Atleast 3C to higher and again he has the resist and 8th sense while also having Sagittarius Arrow (which is shown to be the Divine Arrow of Athena in ND) so Seiya has this one again.

Round 3: Eternal Sailor Moon vs Pegasus God Cloth Seiya = low 2C vs 3A to low 2C, this Seiya has high resistance against her hax while she has the versatility but this Seiya can spam miracles which will sooner or later give him the advantage but I'm not sure if either can kill each other at this point, Seiya can outlast her via Miracles.

Final Round: Neo-Queen Serenity (Lambda Usagi) vs Divine Pegasus Cloth Seiya (9th Sense) = low 2C vs low 2C, this is pretty much the same as the round before but this Seiya can becoming stronger via his 9th sense and ability to spam miracles.

Basically Seiya should have this more times than not.
 
This matchup has been done quite a bit of times in the past and Seiya bodied Usagi in every one of them so...Seiya for reasons already stated.
 
I might be biased (which is fine bc my vote doesn't count anyway) but I don't really see how Seiya can beat Lambda Usagi, bc as long as the very concept of life exists, she's unkillable.
 
Sailor Moon atleast for the last round.


Saint Seiya can't but her down. She'll keep regenerating with the Lambda force, plus with the Mau crystal, she has nine lives so he'd have to kill her 9 times to put her down but then she'd just regenerate again.

Miracles won't really work on her, Queen Nehellenia has fate manipulation that works on accausal beings, and eternal sailor moon was able to overdie and make the ability null and void.

Plus with the ability to send your past self information, and the ability to go and help your past self(plus acasuality), plus the sealing abilities, plus being able to create clone and gift them powers, Saint Seiya would be overwhelmed.

And there are other small things that make battle against Cosmos tricky, for example, Neptune's mirror auto teleports you out of danger if you get hit with a critical attack, the saturn crystal allows you to exist without a body or soul.

Also the River Lethe which she can summon can make Seiya completely forget everything and lose his mind or at worst go comatose.

And The Lethe crystal allows you to physically attack a person at close range even though you are physically thousands of light years away. Add taht with the silver crystal's universal range and the ability to cut across time and space, Sailor Moon doesn't have to be anywhere near Saint Seiya or even in the same universe.
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
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Well the last round is hard one but Usagi can't put down Seiya while might have a chance after awhile. Still Seiya has the other rounds.

Seiya can possibly put down Usagi since he attacks at the sub atomic to possibly quantic level while he can regenerate from that level and can affect her on multiple planes. Plus Seiya also has his adaptability.

Fate manipulation isn't new to SS(as seen in Episode G) and he can spam miracles buffing himself to overwhelm Usagi.

Sending info to her past self isn't going to do much when Seiya is a straight forward fighter and massive tank. Clones also don't mean much when he already beat a guy who can clone himself while he was weakened and Seiya can also attack an infinite amount of times(while in a broken bronze cloth he was able to counter and overpower Sigurd's Rain of Wrath which lets out an infinite amount of attacks).

Seiya has high mental resist since he has already faced and saw things like Tenbu Horin, Hoou Gemaken and that Saints weaker than him have high resistance to mental attacks(resistances can be scaled since the higher Cosmo the higher their resistance especially those of God Cloth level). Last round Seiya is above this and is in the tier of the gods(albeit on the low end) with the 9th sense that would give him to a multitude of resistances to the hax lower tiers in the verse use which is a shit ton. Also still overpowered Saga without his senses, bones shattered and massive blood loss. Seiya also resists Hades's Sword and Divine Curse which destroys you on all planes and erases your existance and as seen in Episode G Assassin Seiya has been doing so for at least 16 years.

Well Seiya is above and one shotted Thanatos who can attack others from universes and realms away so range is also not a problem and others have shown to attack and defend from differnt dimensions and realms before.
 
Seems Saint Seiya never suffers from PIS... Anyway, how come we can scale abilties and resistances in SS but not DB? Seems like a double standard if you ask me.

Granted, I do think Seiya wins. He's stronger and has the 9th sense.
 
Tbh the final round is where it really matters imo, bc when one realizes the other has the upper hand, they'll go to a stronger form, and so on and forth till they're at their strongest. So really it comes down to who has better hax and resistances to said hax.
 
Easy. Moon has the hax. Seiya has the...resistance(?) I'm still not buying the "can adapt to anything by seeing it once" thing (NLF), but he clearly has dealt with a ton of hax before, many of which Moon uses.
 
My question is, what does Seiya have to actually keep Usagi down? I'm not saying this out of pure bias, I'm genuinely curious lol
 
The real cal howard said:
Seems Saint Seiya never suffers from PIS... Anyway, how come we can scale abilties and resistances in SS but not DB? Seems like a double standard if you ask me.
Granted, I do think Seiya wins. He's stronger and has the 9th sense.
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I mispoke what I meant is he has these resistances because he possess higher Cosmo, being in a higher tier to those with said hax, having faced/beaten those who are known to be stronger/beaten the ones with the hax and fought against those with said hax and resistances.

Also Cosmo is the binary source and power in SS which is the origin of everything in the universe and everything has it in them and it has shown that SS characters of higher Cosmo can resist each others hax but even if you don't have higher cosmo through sheer force of will you can overcome hax as seen when Ikki fought Shaka(Shaka had higher Cosmo than him but Ikki resisted the physical, mental and spiritual attacks through his will and from that he raised his Cosmo to a higher level) or when Garuda Suikyo gained resistance to the Abel's Genmaouken from Ikki hitting him the Genmaken before he confronted Abel/Cain. Think of it this way, Cosmo is linked to a Saint's resistance, so the higher Cosmo he has the higher his resistance, then via obtaining the 7th, 8th and 9th senses you can widen your Cosmo, abilities, hax and resistances. While DB and ki aren't as hax and hasn't shown the resistance and versatility Cosmo possesses(Seiya still has feats for the resistances he scales to). Matt can probably explain this better than me though.
 
Gojira1234 said:
My question is, what does Seiya have to actually keep Usagi down? I'm not saying this out of pure bias, I'm genuinely curious lol
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Well he can attack her on the sub-atomic to possibly quantic level, spiritual level and astral level with his attacks, not sure if her Regenerationn can handle that.
 
Sage God Slayer said:
Well he can attack her on the sub-atomic to possibly quantic level, spiritual level and astral level with his attacks, not sure if her Regenerationn can handle that.
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I personally think it could. If my memory is correct, Sailor Cosmos is a conceptual being based on life. As long as that concept is present, Lambda Power can always bring her back. Someone correct me if I'm wrong tho.
 
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"Well the last round is hard one but Usagi can't put down Seiya while might have a chance after awhile. Still Seiya has the other rounds."

Seiya can possibly put down Usagi since he attacks at the sub atomic to possibly quantic level while he can regenerate from that level and can affect her on multiple planes. Plus Seiya also has his adaptability. "

Senshi have shown resistance to sub-atomic attacks. Base Mercury resisted Cyprine's nano attack that dissolves a person to nothing. Also Saturn was able to exist while having both body and spirit destroyed.

Eternal Senshi and above attack on an existence level (in the form star seeds) bypassing body and soul. Eternal Sailor Moon defeated Chaos, a being merged with the galaxy cauldron, a structure that can casually erase acasual beings from the entire timeline, and was compeltely unaffected by it's erasure powers.

"Fate manipulation isn't new to SS(as seen in Episode G) and he can spam miracles buffing himself to overwhelm Usagi. "

I know fate manipulation isn't new to SS, my argument was that Eternal Sailor Moon was able to power through and null and void fate manipulation that affected acasual beings, she should be able to overcome Miracles.

"Sending info to her past self isn't going to do much when Seiya is a straight forward fighter and massive tank. Clones also don't mean much when he already beat a guy who can clone himself while he was weakened and Seiya can also attack an infinite amount of times(while in a broken bronze cloth he was able to counter and overpower Sigurd's Rain of Wrath which lets out an infinite amount of attacks)."

How can having info on what you're oponent is about to do and what their weak points, or movements not help? Also the clones can also be given the Lambda power too, so they'd also be able regenerate just as easily she can from erasure as well as given multidue of abilities and haxes she has as well.

"Seiya also resists Hades's Sword and Divine Curse which destroys you on all planes and erases your existance and as seen in Episode G Assassin Seiya has been doing so for at least 16 years."

I refer back to Chaos, a being immune to erasure and was still defeated by Eternal Sailor Moon.

"Well Seiya is above and one shotted Thanatos who can attack others from universes and realms away so range is also not a problem and others have shown to attack and defend from differnt dimensions and realms before."

The difference from Thanatos and Lethe is that Thanatos fired a beam that traveled across distance while Lethe overalps two distant areas. She can physically attack and interact with you like she's right there next to you while she's physically lightyears away.

"I personally think it could. If my memory is correct, Sailor Cosmos is a conceptual being based on life. As long as that concept is present, Lambda Power can always bring her back. Someone correct me if I'm wrong tho"

No. Sailor Cosmos is the ultimate Sailor Soldier. She posses the cosmos crystal that combines all the Sailor Crystals. She also has the Lambda power. This Lambda power controls the Galaxy Cauldron, which is basically the source of all existence and life. The Lambda power is the ultimate force of Regenerationn. It is the concept of Regenerationn.
 
You know Seiya has reactive evolution, is way faster than Sailor Moon, can stay in an constant states of miracles while being acusual and can literally resurrect or live without a body.

Oh yeah he has reactive evolution + his monsterous determination + the miracle state he can be in + the possibily fastest speed caculated in anime history + the senses + the terrifying anti hax character + the atomic destruction that will become stronger during time.

So what if she has the concept of Regenerationn Seiya would adapt to it eventually and surpass Sailor Moon because this isn't new it's just she is facing the miricale maker in the works.

Can you please tell me how she is going to get through that. Oh I also forgot all the things Sailor Moon has done, Seiya has done the same or better, then we have Seiyas most prominent technique which would also give him a better advantage.

This technique allows the user to be immune to something after atmost 2 tries because nothing works an a Saint twice. Then finally Seiya can quickly analyse the components of every single move of his opponent then it would be easier for Seiya to counter overtime.
 
Speed is equalized. And being acasual and existing without a body (and soul for that matter) is a basic tenent of all senshi. It's nothing special. She too is determined

Sailor Moon too has reactive evolution and constatnly grows stronger in battles, (her immunity to to fate manipulation (strong enough to affect acasual beings) was from reactive evolution. And can too pull things from her ass.

You're using an an NLF argument that makes no sense. Seiya is going to over due to the concept of Regenerationn through pure gumption alone.

By that standard, I can use the statement that says the Galaxy Cauldron creates all possibilities and use that to say that Sailor Moon uses the lambda power to create mulitple possibilities where Seiya loses.

Yes Saint Seiya has miracles. But those function in a way to make unlikely events happen. Sailor Moon already faced someone of the same tier of Seiya with similar abilities and was able to render it null and void.
 
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