Infinitely above baseline 2-A Ben 10 cosmology and Alien X

So currently the Ben 10 cosmology is accepted to be 2-B, I however have proof for infinitely above baseline 2-A. This is because Ben 10 has both infinite timelines and infinite dimensions and I will be going over the reasons why exactly.

Infinite timelines: Maltruant (19:19) has control over the infinite time stream. This goes hand-in-hand with Professor Paradox stating that the timelines branch off ad-infinitum. Now I will mathematically proof that this means there are infinite timelines:

Assume that there are a finite amount of timelines. The largest number of timelines (at the end of time) is given by 2^t where t is the number for the amount of time that passes since 2006 (when the timelines started branching). Now add t by 1 (applicable due to Maltruant's statement), this gives us 2^(t+1) amount of timelines. Since 2^(t+1) is bigger than 2^t, this contradicts 2^t being the largest number of timelines, hence our proposition "there are a finite amount of timelines" is false. Thus there are an infinite amount of timelines. Another easy way to see this is by making a bijection between t and 2^t, since the former set it infinite, so is the latter because sets where a bijection can be made have the same amount of elements.

Infinite dimensions: Ben 10 and Generator Rex had a crossover that is confirmed to be cano by WOG (there is another statement by Matt Wayne saying it doesn't affect Ben 10 canon but that just means that the crossover has no influence on the story of Ben 10, not that the crossover didn't happen, btw that statement is old (2011) and Shocksquatch, who debuted in the crossover, directly influences Ben 10 in Omniverse so in the worst case it's just not true). Rex is also affected by the crossover since the Bug Jar is still destroyed in the season finale.

Now this is important because Doctor Holiday states that there are infinite dimensions, now how credible is Doctor Holiday on this? She has been called smart by Rex's brother Caesar Salazar, who is an extraordinary genius with supergenius feats (albeit not consistent enough) as established in this thread. She also almost found a cure for the nanite event which infected the entire earth together with a group of scientists. She was disappointed by Rex getting 97% on a trigonometry test which his classmates said was incredibly hard and was worried about how such a bad grade would reflect on her. She was one of the only people awake during an epidemic in North-America that put everyone infected (that was not an EVO) in a coma and was able to make a scanner to track patient zero by constantly putting herself under electric shocks to keep herself awake. She also was able to study Breach while Rex was trapped inside her pocket dimension (mostly by shooting drones at her) and is very knowledgeable on all sorts of EVO's. She also managed to finish a cure for EVO's (she had to put in the final work on someone else's design) in minutes and managed to cure her sister that way. In other words making a statement about infinite dimensions isn't really that big of a deal for her, despite her not believing in alternate dimensions in the beginning of the crossover, but once she was convinced that they were real she had a little time to theorize about it and draw a conclusion. It would also be out of character for her to be over-exaggerating for some reason.

This can also be backed up by this WOG claiming the multiverse is infinite and while yes the person in question was pushy and DJW might not be the most reliable person, the only thing we are using here is the normal question part about the size of the omniverse/multiverse.

Now to combine infinite timelines with infinite dimensions: WOG says that Ben 10 and Generator Rex are not alternate timelines of each other (this may get retconned later in the Reboot however), which makes sense since the Null Void can't be used to connect alternate timelines because that would make no sense (Kevin or Vilgax would end up in the wrong timeline when escaping the Null Void for instance) and it stands to reason that every dimension also has an infinite branching timestream since it would be weird for Charmcaster for instance to only be a villain of 10-year old Ben and then when the timeline branches Ben 23 never sees her again since she is in Ledgerdomain which doesn't branch. The same could be said about Mad Ben and Charmcaster who only branches in Ben 10 Omniverse and no branching of alternate dimensions would also imply that only one Ben fought Dagon (who lives/was trapped in a parallel dimension and is thus universe-sized) and that the Forever Knights in all other timelines have no purpose. That said it's very weird for the entire multiverse to be Ben-centric since the branching only starts when Ben gets the Omnitrix, but on the other hand it's already weird the way it is right now so I doubt it matters.

About the Chrono Navigator and Alien X: These are Professor Paradox' quotes regarding the capabilities of his Chrono Navigator:

"Eon wants nothing less than absolute power over everything all timelines, all alternate realities everything."

"Yes, but in anyone else's hands but mine it could cause irreparable damage to the time-stream or destroy all of time and causality itself"

"Stop this now or all of existence will be destroyed!"

So all of time, causality, all timelines and all alternate realities will be destroyed, in short all of existence.

One of the main concerns regarding the Chrono Navigator is that it does not instantly destroy the multiverse but if the cosmology is double infinite then time is completely irrelevant and we already agreed that Alien X can erase all of existence (it makes sense for Servantis to know about how Ben 10 cosmology works) so Alien X would scale to this, we can work out the details later and while it can be discussed in this thread, it shouldn't be the main focus.

2-A via Holiday's statement:

Agrees: Zamasu Chan, Ahsan jr, StrymULTRA, The 2nd Existential Seed

Disagrees: ProfessorKukui4Life, Ionliosite, Matthew Schroeder (?)

Neutral:

Following. Just want other people's opinion on this before anything.

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@Crabwhale it was the only way.

@Zamasu something to listen to while eating the popcorn.

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At least now Haruka vs Alien X could be reopened again... Maybe still a stomp cosmology wise but it's significantly more fair than before as they were only baseline.

I do agree Ben 10 & Rex clearly are in the same world. I also agree with Alien X hypothetically scaling to this if it's accepted. The other tidbits I'll wait for someone else.

Yeah I'm going over all of this soon enough.

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I am starting to see 2-A here, but I'm unsure about Infinite times the baseline based on the existence of what appears to be the existence of two 2-A sized multiverses.

Each dimension should have an infinitely branching timestream as well since otherwise Sir George would be useless in hundreds of alternate timelines since his arch-nemesis Diago who resides in a parallel universe would not appear in any other timeline but the prime timeline if Dagon's universe does not branch as well.

I'll come back later too look at it in more depth.

Ok, thanks for your input for now!

Hmmm Actually the multiverse dosn't seems to be infinite from outside : http://imgur.com/a/CckjXvF

Alright, so lets go through all of this one by one.

>Infinite timelines: Maltruant (19:19) has control over the infinite time stream. This goes hand-in-hand with Professor Paradox stating that the timelines branch off ad-infinitum. Now I will mathematically proof that this means there are infinite timelines:

First off, Malturants statement. We've been over this before in your previous thread about the cosmology and it was rejected being 2-A. "Infinite Time Stream" is too vague and can be interpreted in a number of different ways besides assuming it means there are infinte timelines. DarkDragonMedus went over this with you.

Second, Paradox's statement has also been dealt with here before, so I don't know why your bringing it back up again like anythings changed. "Branching off ad-infinitum" is also not 2-A. That explicitly means that the timelines are braching off infinitely. Infinitely growing in number, but clearly remaining at a finite amount at all times. Which, again, is only considered 2-B here. In fact, this was the very reason why Ben 10's Multiverse got downgraded to begin with because it's not actually 2-A. Timelines branching off at all already suggests they have a beginning, which automatically debunks it from being 2-A. And in addition, Paradox's own statement has him stating a moment before that the Multiverse only has hundreds of timelines (And no, there being more than hundreds doesn't change the fact that he's giving the Multiverse a clear finite number).

Third, as for your "using math" bit, this isn't how 2-A works here. You can't reach infinity just by stacking a bunch of finite numbers on top of each other and this isn't the first time we've dealt with and rejected this form of evidence from a verse.

>Infinite dimensions: Ben 10 and Generator Rex had a crossover that is confirmed to be canon by WOG

I already know where your going with this and it's also not evidence. We've already discussed both here and here and agreed that Generator Rex cant be used as evidence to judge the size of the Ben 10 Multiverse's cosmology for a number of reasons. I'll repeat them here:

"There's absolutely no context behind that statement. It's just a random claim made by someone who isn't knowledegable on the subject of alternate universes

-Paradox, who is knowledgeable on parallel worlds and has far more credibilty, contradicts Holiday by explicitly stating that Ben 10's Multiverse is only in the 100s (even if you want to push for 1000's, he's still giving the Multiverse a finite amount of worlds, which is still a direct contradiction to Holiday either way)

-"Infinite dimensions" can still fall under infinitely branching timelines, like what "Ad Infinitum" is.

-Outside of that crossover episode, Generator Rex never deals with anything related to parallel universes, much less showing any character doing actual research on parallel universes at any point in the show outside of the crossover.

It should absolutely not have any bearing on the size of Ben 10's Multiverse, even if being agreed to be canon."

>now how credible is Doctor Holiday on this? She has been called smart by Rex's brother Caesar Salazar, who is an extraordinary genius with supergenius feats

Now, this is fine and dandy for Professor Holiday. No one here denies that she's intelligent. The problem, however, is that literally none of these intelligence feats are even remotely close to having the intelligence of being accurately aware of the existence of alternate universes. Professor Holiday is smart, she just doesn't measure up to the level of intelligence one would be expected to have when speaking on the subject of alternate worlds. Paradox far outclasses her when it comes to analyzing alternate realities and his own statements on Ben 10's Multiverse contradicts Professor Holiday entirely.

It also doesn't help that Holiday was initially ignorant about alternate worlds existing for most of that whole crossover. And i'm sure no one here needs to explain why last minute theorizing is the weakest form of evidence to put a verse at such a high tier like 2-A.

>This can also be backed up by this WOG claiming the multiverse is infinite and while yes the person in question was pushy and DJW might not be the most reliable person, the only thing we are using here is the normal question part about the size of the omniverse/multiverse.

No offense intended, but you clearly saw me mention in this thread already why this type of evidence is absolutely not acceptable here in next to every case. We had a thread addressing this very topic and added a rule for it thats currently on our Editing Rules page .

This is just the case of a random vs debating fan annoying authors and asking them debating questions for the sake of wanking their verses. We rarely ever accept these kind of author statements and only do when it's actually proven it aligns with whats been established in the verse it's for, and it most definitely isn't in the context of Ben 10 here. You can even see the person asking if Celestialsapiens are, by pure vs debating terms, "complex multiversal" in the tweet, which authors have absolutely 0 clue what it is or even means.

So sorry, but if it wasn't made clear already, im against this upgrade entirely.

I will be addressing your answer soon enough.

I'd like to add that there is a clear distinction between dimentions, timelines, and universes in the ben 10 verse (particularly dimentions and universes for the sake of the thread). Dimentions mean what they mean in a literal methematical sense, whereas universes refer to actual alternate realities. Timelines are the ways that universes can play out and are generally only added by time shenanigans. There are not infinite timelines because there have not been an infinite amount of instances of time travel. As for universes, it's simply vague and that's the end of it. However, dimentions could be argued to be infinite in my opinion, but at this point it really doesn't matter

In Ben 10 one timeline always gets overwritten. But yeah you're basically saying that the universes (Ben prime's, Ben 23's, Mad Ben's) are vague and the dimensions such as the Null Void, Ledgerdomain, Rex's could be infinite?

again, those are universes, not dimentions. Whether there are a finite or infinite amount of universes is vague, however timelines are always finite. Dimentions are probably infinite, but its also unclear. Many characters use the terms interchangably in omniverse which can make it annoying, but there is still a distinction. For instance, the null void, despite being an alternate universe, is often refered to as the null void dimention

Infinite Time Stream is extremely vague, it could even refer that time has no end instead of infinite timelines and ad-infinitum just means that it keeps expanding, or would you say that the universe is infinite because it expands ad-infinitum?

Not even gonna talk about Generator Rex, because Kukui already explained it pretty well.

@Ion I mathematically proved how if we assume time has no end, it still ends up being 2-A, if you want to debunk my maths, go ahead.

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@Ion I mathematically proved how if we assume time has no end, it still ends up being 2-A, if you want to debunk my maths, go ahead.

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the thing is, there are only infinite timelines as t approaches infinity, which is not demonstrated at any given point in the show, so we can't really make a statement about it

"Assume that there are a finite amount of timelines. The largest number of timelines (at the end of time) is given by 2^t where t is the number for the amount of time that passes since 2006 (when the timelines started branching). Now add t by 1 (applicable due to Maltruant's statement), this gives us 2^(t+1) amount of timelines. Since 2^(t+1) is bigger than 2^t, this contradicts 2^t being the largest number of timelines, hence our proposition "there are a finite amount of timelines" is false. Thus there are an infinite amount of timelines. Another easy way to see this is by making a bijection between t and 2^t, since the former set it infinite, so is the latter because sets where a bijection can be made have the same amount of elements."

There's a problem with that, multiplying something won't make it infinite no matter how much you multiply it. There aren't an infinite amount of timelines, so doesn't matter if you multiply the ad-infinitum amount because it isn't infinite. Yes, there could be more timelines if you multiply it, but it won't ever reach infinite.

@lonliosite when talking about how many different paralel universes there were, Paradox said " ad infinitum" suggesting the amount of worlds are "ad infinitum" he wasnt talking about 1 single universe.

Again, ad infinitum just means "a number constantly expanding towards infinity", not that it is infinite, but that the number is constantly rising to reach infinity despite being unable to reach it due to the fact it is impossible to reach infinity by stacking finite numbers.

Infinity is a mathematical concept, you need to look at it from the outside and not from the inside.

That said I didn't multiply in my proof I assumed there were a finite amount of timelines and got to a contradiction using that logic by adding 1 amount of time. This is the same kind of proof that is used to proof that there are infinite prime numbers for instance.

You're basically saying there can't be an infinite amount of prime numbers because each number is finite.

@lolliosite i know, i was just clarifying he wasnt talking about 1 universe being " ad infinitum". as for it being impossible to reach infinite, peopel argued the same thing in this thread which was rejected

First off, Malturants statement. We've been over this before in your previous thread about the cosmology and it was rejected being 2-A. "Infinite Time Stream" is too vague and can be interpreted in a number of different ways besides assuming it means there are infinte timelines. DarkDragonMedus went over this with you.

Luckily I mathematically proved that even in the worst case scenario there are still infinite timelines and I am curious to see if DDM still disagrees right now, after all I didn't really make my case clear back then.

Second, Paradox's statement has also been dealt with here before, so I don't know why your bringing it back up again like anythings changed. "Branching off ad-infinitum" is also not 2-A. That explicitly means that the timelines are braching off infinitely. Infinitely growing in number, but clearly remaining at a finite amount at all times. Which, again, is only considered 2-B here. In fact, this was the very reason why Ben 10's Multiverse got downgraded to begin with because it's not actually 2-A. Timelines branching off at all already suggests they have a beginning, which automatically debunks it from being 2-A. And in addition, Paradox's own statement has him stating a moment before that the Multiverse only has hundreds of timelines (And no, there being more than hundreds doesn't change the fact that he's giving the Multiverse a clear finite number).

At that moment he stated there were hundreds, then in Omniverse he showed there were thousands clearly backing up it expanding, the reason I am bringing up Paradox's statement is to show that it does not contradict Maltruant's statement and neither does giving it a finite number since we know it will keep on expanding, the end result is that you need 2-A energy to destroy all timelines if you want to destroy them throughout all of time.

Third, as for your "using math" bit, this isn't how 2-A works here. You can't reach infinity just by stacking a bunch of finite numbers on top of each other and this isn't the first time we've dealt with and rejected this form of evidence from a verse.

Please give me any verse where adding t+1 is applicable, the only reason this is applicable is due to Maltruant's statement which no other verse to my knowledge has anything similar. Also 2-A works via countable infinity and is defined that way, if I can mathematically prove that the amount of timelines is countable infinity then it is 2-A by the tiering system and then you're going to have to debunk the maths itself and not just say that isn't how it works.

I already know where your going with this and it's also not evidence. We've already discussed both here and here and agreed that Generator Rex cant be used as evidence to judge the size of the Ben 10 Multiverse's cosmology for a number of reasons. I'll repeat them here:

There's absolutely no context behind that statement. It's just a random claim made by someone who isn't knowledegable on the subject of alternate universes

First off Doctor Holiday dealt with pocket dimensions before and has to deal with universal space-time, energy, matter, technology, gravity, … control in season 3, I'd say we're way beyond alternate universes in season 3,. In the end of season 2 time travel was involved as well btw.

-Paradox, who is knowledgeable on parallel worlds and has far more credibilty, contradicts Holiday by explicitly stating that Ben 10's Multiverse is only in the 100s (even if you want to push for 1000's, he's still giving the Multiverse a finite amount of worlds, which is still a direct contradiction to Holiday either way)

This statement bugs me a lot since you bringing it up shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what I am proposing, Paradox never brought up how many alternate dimensions there are and only talks about timelines so Paradox has absolutely no business being in the infinite dimensions part of my thread.

-"Infinite dimensions" can still fall under infinitely branching timelines, like what "Ad Infinitum" is.'

Oh so you need characters to say "There are infinite dimensions and I don't mean infinitely branching dimensions btw", if that's a case then most of the 2-A's on the site should get downgraded. Also stop bringing up timelines or Ad Infinitum they have no bearing on infinite dimensions.

-Outside of that crossover episode, Generator Rex never deals with anything related to parallel universes, much less showing any character doing actual research on parallel universes at any point in the show outside of the crossover.

Wrong, 1) Breach's pocket dimension, 2) Rex mentions in episode 1 of season 3 that he is in an alternate universe (which is wrong) and Caesar doesn't contradict their existence (which is logical since he made the Dimensional Disruptor to trap Alpha)

It should absolutely not have any bearing on the size of Ben 10's Multiverse, even if being agreed to be canon."

And why is that exactly, it doesn't contradict any other evidence within Ben 10?

Now, this is fine and dandy for Professor Holiday. No one here denies that she's intelligent. The problem, however, is that literally none of these intelligence feats are even remotely close to having the intelligence of being accurately aware of the existence of alternate universes. Professor Holiday is smart, she just doesn't measure up to the level of intelligence one would be expected to have when speaking on the subject of alternate worlds. Paradox far outclasses her when it comes to analyzing alternate realities and his own statements on Ben 10's Multiverse contradicts Professor Holiday entirely.

It also doesn't help that Holiday was initially ignorant about alternate worlds existing for most of that whole crossover. And i'm sure no one here needs to explain why last minute theorizing is the weakest form of evidence to put a verse at such a high tier like 2-A.

First off, being called smart by Caesar already gives you enough intelligence to make statements about Parallel universes since it implies you are somewhat in the same intelligence class as him. Also Rex's world is way more advanced than our world, they were making a cure for literally everything with nanites so it is very likely that theories on how alternate universes work if they exist are already accepted in-verse. Meaning the only thing they need is proof that they exist which is exactly what Holiday got with Ben and I've already gone over how fast she can work and she had hours to maybe even half a day to figure it out. Besides Providence was able to close the breach in space-time made by Ben entering Rex's world and I think Caesar didn't even help out with that, only further proving humanities' progress in Gen Rex.

See what I said above about Paradox, if Paradox' statement was about alternate dimensions, the title of the thread wouldn't be infinitely above baseline.

No offense intended, but you clearly saw me mention in this thread already why this type of evidence is absolutely not acceptable here in next to every case. We had a thread addressing this very topic and added a rule for it thats currently on our Editing Rules page .

This is just the case of a random vs debating fan annoying authors and asking them debating questions for the sake of wanking their verses. We rarely ever accept these kind of author statements and only do when it's actually proven it aligns with whats been established in the verse it's for, and it most definitely isn't in the context of Ben 10 here. You can even see the person asking if Celestialsapiens are, by pure vs debating terms, "complex multiversal" in the tweet, which authors have absolutely 0 clue what it is or even means.

That rule comes down to case-by-case and in this case I'm only using it as a supporting statement and I am solely using the size of the cosmology, not any sort of debating terms, heck DJW didn't even answer the debating question.

So sorry, but if it wasn't made clear already, im against this upgrade entirely.

To put it in Rex's words: Thrill me.

Going to give a reply soon.

can i make a small suggestion for everyone here? when you quote someone, instead of putting 7 lines long sentences in your response, just put at most 2 lines of the sentence you want to quote, otherwise this thread quickly gets clogged up solely from quotes.

or just snip the quote.

@Door will do

>Luckily I mathematically proved that even in the worst case scenario there are still infinite timelines and I am curious to see if DDM still disagrees right now, after all I didn't really make my case clear back then.

Your evidence is pretty weak, but we'll get more to that below. In any case, considering DDM kudos'd my reply which mentions this, I doubt his thoughts on that have changed from last time. And going with that, again, the context of "infinite time stream" is extremely vague with nothing proving the context means infinite timelines specifically.

>At that moment he stated there were hundreds, then in Omniverse he showed there were thousands clearly backing up it expanding, the reason I am bringing up Paradox's statement is to show that it does not contradict Maltruant's statement and neither does giving it a finite number since we know it will keep on expanding

You either didn't actually read my reply or didn't understand what I said. I never denied the fact that the Multiverse expands. Hell, I even said it expanding is the case. What my point here was that Omniverse having more than 100s doesn't matter because at the end of the day, it's still giving the Multiverse a finite number as a starting point for it to grow upon as a basis. Which does contradict Maltruent as it is not infinite.

>Please give me any verse where adding t+1 is applicable, the only reason this is applicable is due to Maltruant's statement which no other verse to my knowledge has anything similar.

Verses like Dragon Ball Heroes or Pokemon come at the top of my head. Especially the former for it being the largest 2-B verse on this entire site where for every growing possibility it holds the entire DB Multiverse in each one. They would've hit 2-A a while ago if all that was needed was stacking numbers on top of each other.

>Also 2-A works via countable infinity and is defined that way, if I can mathematically prove that the amount of timelines is countable infinity then it is 2-A by the tiering system

Then its unfortunate that you didn't actually prove anything is infinite here. Lets look at what you said:

"Since 2^(t+1) is bigger than 2^t, this contradicts 2^t being the largest number of timelines, hence our proposition "there are a finite amount of timelines" is false. Thus there are an infinite amount of timelines."

Using your hypothetical example as a basis for your math, the only thing you proved here was that 2^t isn't the largest number of timelines and that 2^(t+1) is bigger. How you got that to mean there suddenly isn't a finite number of worlds anymore, but infinite ones, is entirely beyond me. This only means 2^(t+1) is an even bigger expansion of finite worlds than what would be given to us from 2^t. Not that it suddenly jumps from finite to infinite.

>First off Doctor Holiday dealt with pocket dimensions before and has to deal with universal space-time, energy, matter, technology, gravity, … control in season 3, I'd say we're way beyond alternate universes in season 3,. In the end of season 2 time travel was involved as well btw.

Pocket dimensions and time travel are entirely different from studying the existence of parallel universes. Especially the latter as it's not dealing with alternate worlds, it's dealing with different points in time. The only bit thats maybe worth anything as far the subject here goes is studying the universe (?), which is not only also not related to alternate realities, but its also childsplay compared to several characters in Ben 10 who have that kind of knowledge and then some. Let alone Professor Paradox.

>This statement bugs me a lot since you bringing it up shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what I am proposing, Paradox never brought up how many alternate dimensions there are and only talks about timelines so Paradox has absolutely no business being in the infinite dimensions part of my thread.

Alternate dimensions = alternate universes = timelines. Unless your suggesting something that goes into the subject of higher-d realities, alternate dimensions, universes and timelines all generally mean the same thing.

>Oh so you need characters to say "There are infinite dimensions and I don't mean infinitely branching dimensions btw", if that's a case then most of the 2-A's on the site should get downgraded. Also stop bringing up timelines or Ad Infinitum they have no bearing on infinite dimensions.

If your asking if "infinite universes, realities, dimensions, etc." needs to be blatantly stated in order to reach 2-A, it does. And most 2-A's who are rated here generally have that qualification filled. Why do you think things like "countless", "not limited", or even "endless" don't count as 2-A here?

>Wrong, 1) Breach's pocket dimension, 2) Rex mentions in episode 1 of season 3 that he is in an alternate universe (which is wrong) and Caesar doesn't contradict their existence (which is logical since he made the Dimensional Disruptor to trap Alpha)

Pocket dimensions aren't alternate universes (emphasis on universes) and if Rex being in an alternate universe was wrong then...there was no point in mentioning that. That only helps me more if anything.

>And why is that exactly, it doesn't contradict any other evidence within Ben 10?

Its less a contradiction and more that Generator Rex in general is not knowledgeable, experienced or credible enough to speak on the subject of alternate universes. Let alone being able to judge the size of another franchise's cosmology when they never do that for their own verse.

>First off, being called smart by Caesar already gives you enough intelligence to make statements about Parallel universes since it implies you are somewhat in the same intelligence class as him.

Uh, what? By that logic, if my college math professor calls me smart for getting an A+ on my exam, im suddenly in the same range of intelligence as him? Someone whos already been to college, got his degree and has been teaching for, like, several years at the very least?

Being called smart just means Holiday impressed him. Not that her intelligence is suddenly on the level of his. And the knowledge of knowing about alternate universes existing is already incredibly scarce in Generator Rex as a whole.

>Also Rex's world is way more advanced than our world, they were making a cure for literally everything with nanites so it is very likely that theories on how alternate universes work if they exist are already accepted in-verse.

Okay? Just because Generator Rex's world is much more advanced than ours doesn't mean such theories on parallel worlds canonically exist there. You need to prove the theory exists and is actually real within the verse. Even your own reply uses "IF" as speculation. We can't just apply any theory we want to a verse for it being more advanced than real life is, thats the epitome of exasperating in-canon material.

> Meaning the only thing they need is proof that they exist which is exactly what Holiday got with Ben and I've already gone over how fast she can work and she had hours to maybe even half a day to figure it out.

Which is, again, very last minute theorizing to come to the conclusion about such things. And like I said before, last minute theorizing is laughably weak evidence to use for such a high tier as 2-A when any other verse would be required to give far more credible evidence than this to get it.

Especially when Holiday was initially in denial about such concepts for majority of the whole crossover.

>That rule comes down to case-by-case and in this case I'm only using it as a supporting statement and I am solely using the size of the cosmology, not any sort of debating terms, heck DJW didn't even answer the debating question.

This is flat out cherry picking. You cant pick out one part of an already less than serious answer for a fan who was spamming the author with vs debating questions about Celestialsapiens being Complex Multiversal to suit your own argument. That's the epitome of using it when its convenient for your argument.

She smells of wank.

She is also the character that explains stuff to the audience most of the time, so it makes sense to an extent that she mentions the infinite dimensions.

@Kukui Anyways we need to get stuff out of the way before I respond to your reply in it's entirety, give me the evidence that Paradox gives a number to the amount of parallel dimensions such as Dagon's universe that are not connected to Ben 10's timestream.

Agree with 2-A, disagree with it being infinitely above the baseline.


There are infinite dimensions, each one with inside Ad Infinitum timelines, and this would be just a baseline 2-A rating, as infinite dimensions * finite timelines = infinite timelines