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I'm surprised this is such a point of contention, but there are those who believe we cannot scale Base Natsu to Spriggan level, however I believe that is completely incorrect and believe there is a lot of info that proves that Natsu scales to the Spriggans in his base from
Points Against Natsu Scaling
Base Natsu has far more points supporting him scaling to spriggans than make him not scale to them. Natsu was never afraid of Ikusa-Tsunagi, and didn't worry about fighting him at all, he only used one normal fire punch against him and it didn't really do anything, however, there is nothing that says Natsu couldn't in base form go all out and use his strongest base form attacks, and have a long drawn out battle with him, going back and forth, but why would Natsu want to do this, he chose to end the fight early, and just One-Shot and absolutely murder him with Fire Dragon King Mode. As for Natsu being afraid of Brandish, that was just the author hyping up Brandish to be far stronger than anything before, but that doesn't really mean anything as later in the same instance, Natsu is ready to take her on at any moment, and we know Natsu could One-Shot Spriggans even without Igneel's Power by using Fire Dragon King Mode, so that's just super inconsistent in the main story and doesn't really support either side. The last thing is that Natsu apparently only slightly damaged the Spriggans, but the Spriggans also did only slight damage to Natsu, so the amount of damage they are doing to each is the same which means that they are comparable. Plus the Spriggans usually are doing so well against our heroes because of hax, whether it be Command T, Age Seal, Being Intangiable via Sand or Bane Particles, and even immunity to lightning. All this doesn't even count for the fact that Base Natsu was confirmed to be stronger than Brandish when he beat Neinhart, who was stronger than her, which apparently want to write off as just a random Power of Friendship Increase, but here's the thing, Natsu is always going on about friendship speeches and emotions which fuel his power, so he is always using the power of friendship, in all his forms, you take a character at their max power and make that their tier. As well when Natsu and Lucy both kick Jacob together and make him bleed and hurt him, even if we were generous and said Natsu and Lucy were equal, and that they each take half the feat of damaging Jacob, that would split the feat they scale to being 2.02 Gigatons to 1.01 Gigaton each, meaning Natsu would still be the same tier. Due to all the reasons above, Natsu should scale to Spriggan level as he is comparable to them in his base form, so Natsu should be High 7-A, not needing a likely or possibly.
Points Against Natsu Scaling
- Natsu did little to no damage against Ikusa-Tsunagi, who is weaker than the Spriggans
- Natsu was tempted to use Igneel's Power against Brandish
- Natsu only slightly damaged the Spriggans, therefore he doesn't scale
- Natsu Matches 1st Devil Slayer Mark Gray, who would later damage and defeat Invel
- Natsu punches Ajeel in the face and hurts him
- Natsu is comparable to Gajeel, who matched Bloodma in terms of power
- Natsu scales above Lisanna and Elfman, who managed to defeat Ajeel
- Natsu fought on equal ground with Jacob and managed to damage him and make him bleed
- Natsu melts Invel's Ice, which was so cold, it could freeze other ice, and this impressed Invel who said "Only he could do that"
- Natsu defeats Neinhart, who stated to be stronger than Brandish, and that impressed her
- Throughout the entire arc, Natsu is only taking slight damage from all of the Spriggans he faces, he only has tiny scratches from all of them which doesn't appear to put him down at all
Base Natsu has far more points supporting him scaling to spriggans than make him not scale to them. Natsu was never afraid of Ikusa-Tsunagi, and didn't worry about fighting him at all, he only used one normal fire punch against him and it didn't really do anything, however, there is nothing that says Natsu couldn't in base form go all out and use his strongest base form attacks, and have a long drawn out battle with him, going back and forth, but why would Natsu want to do this, he chose to end the fight early, and just One-Shot and absolutely murder him with Fire Dragon King Mode. As for Natsu being afraid of Brandish, that was just the author hyping up Brandish to be far stronger than anything before, but that doesn't really mean anything as later in the same instance, Natsu is ready to take her on at any moment, and we know Natsu could One-Shot Spriggans even without Igneel's Power by using Fire Dragon King Mode, so that's just super inconsistent in the main story and doesn't really support either side. The last thing is that Natsu apparently only slightly damaged the Spriggans, but the Spriggans also did only slight damage to Natsu, so the amount of damage they are doing to each is the same which means that they are comparable. Plus the Spriggans usually are doing so well against our heroes because of hax, whether it be Command T, Age Seal, Being Intangiable via Sand or Bane Particles, and even immunity to lightning. All this doesn't even count for the fact that Base Natsu was confirmed to be stronger than Brandish when he beat Neinhart, who was stronger than her, which apparently want to write off as just a random Power of Friendship Increase, but here's the thing, Natsu is always going on about friendship speeches and emotions which fuel his power, so he is always using the power of friendship, in all his forms, you take a character at their max power and make that their tier. As well when Natsu and Lucy both kick Jacob together and make him bleed and hurt him, even if we were generous and said Natsu and Lucy were equal, and that they each take half the feat of damaging Jacob, that would split the feat they scale to being 2.02 Gigatons to 1.01 Gigaton each, meaning Natsu would still be the same tier. Due to all the reasons above, Natsu should scale to Spriggan level as he is comparable to them in his base form, so Natsu should be High 7-A, not needing a likely or possibly.