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How far into 3-A are the ones for DBS

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So Dragon Ball Super has a scaling chain for the 3-As but there seems to be contention on how big of a difference the end of the chain is to the start. I made this so we could come to a consensus on the size and scale of the chain. I put this in the Discussion board because the actual tiering of the characters isn't going to change, just the acceptance of how far they are into the tier.
 
No one in Dragon Ball Super is High 3-A, the beings that used to be High 3-A are Low 2-C for a myriad of different reasons.

Peter1129 is one of the most knowledgeable people on the scaling, so he would be imperative for the thread.
 
No one in Dragon Ball is High 3-A., dude.

If you mean how far (or how high) into 3-A, then that's different, and your thread title needs to be altered as it is misleading.

Broly is the strongest 3-A in Dragon Ball, I believe.

The scaling for the 3-As in Dragon Ball is absurd though, it ends up somewhere in the millions at the very least.

Dragon Ball's Low 2-C is also really high, but not as high as their 3-As.

I think a blog needs to be made that explains the scaling of DBS 3-As and Low 2-Cs because it comes up in every thread, and people don't realize how strong Dragon Ball characters are AP-wise.
 
If it's correct, this is supposed to be the one for Broly.

LSS1 Broly > SS1 Gogeta >= SS1 Broly > Limit Break Jiren > Full Power Base Jiren > Third UIS Goku >= Beerus > Post-ToP SSB Goku >= Post-ToP SSB Vegeta > Ikari Broly > Hint of true power Jiren > SSBE Vegeta > GoD Toppo > Post-2nd UIS SSBKK Goku > LSS2 Kefla > Second UIS Goku > Post-ToP SSG Goku > Anilaza > Post-2nd UIS SSB Goku > Casual Jiren > First UIS Goku > Infinite Zamasu (Baseline)
 
So anyways copy and pasting my comment from the other thread

End of Battle of Gods Saga Base Goku is at least 8x baseline 3-A after absorbing SSG and getting a zenkai boost. It's not 10x baseline because 1.126x10^93 / 2.825x10^92 = 3.986 which is closer to 4 rather than 5.

After that Goku could stack transformations on top of his base form that has probably grown even stronger in the Resurrection of Frieza Saga.

After that he's gotten even stronger in the Universe 6 Tournament Saga.

By the end of the Future Trunks Saga his SSB form is at least 10x stronger than before since Post-FT Saga SSB Goku manages to stalemate an even stronger Hit who was comparable to U6 Tournament SSBKKx10 Goku.

By the Universe Survival Saga Pre-UIS SSG Goku became stronger than End of FT Saga SSB Goku since he manages to keep up with Base Dyspo who was beating an even more powerful Hit.

At the end of the tournament after all the UIS/UI limit breaking boosts his base form eventually surpassed his SSBKK form at the beginning of the tournament.

By the Broly Saga he should be even more powerful than he was at the end of the ToP.

So basically scaling from Goku the strongest 3-As of DBS are so ridiculously high into 3-A you would probably need to be a couple billion or trillion times above baseline 3-A to match them in AP.

SS1 is accepted as 40x on the site and Kaioken multipliers are accepted. So if we assume low balls such as both SS2 and SS3 being a 2x multiplier with SSG being a mere 10x multiplier. The multiplier scaling would be like this if we also assume his base never got any stronger in between Battle of Gods and Universe 6 Tournament.

So to put it down with numbers Base Broly is above

8 (End of Battle of Gods/Resurrection of Frieza/Universe 6 Tournament Base Goku) x 40 = 320 (Universe 6 Tournament SS1) x 2 = 640 (Universe 6 Tournament SS2) x 2 = 1,280 (Universe 6 Tournament SS3) x 10 = 12,800 (Universe 6 Tournament SSG) x 40 = 512,000 (Universe 6 Tournament SSB) x 10 = 5,120,000 (Universe 6 Tournament SSBKKx10/Future Trunks Saga SSB/Universe Survival Saga Pre-UIS SSG) x 40 = 204,800,000 (Universe Survival Saga Pre-UIS SSB) x 20 = 4,096,000,000 (Universe Survival Saga Pre-UIS SSBKKx20/Broly Saga Base) x 40 = 163,840,000,000 (Broly Saga SS1)
 
LSS1 Broly > SS1 Gogeta >= SS1 Broly > Limit Break Jire > Full Power Base Jiren > Third UIS Goku >= Beerus > Post-ToP SSB Goku >= Post-ToP SSB Vegeta > Ikari Broly > Hint of true power Jiren > SSBE Vegeta > GoD Toppo > Post-2nd UIS SSBKK Goku > LSS2 Kefla > Second UIS Goku > Post-ToP SSG Goku > Anilaza > Post-2nd UIS SSB Goku > Casual Jiren > First UIS Goku > Infinite Zamasu (Baseline) Where did you come up with the bolded ?

Anyways I agree with Peter that I believe that at bare minimum they are a million times above baseline.
 
Yeah a blog for the 3-A and Low 2-C scaling chain could work. We would probably need to compile all the feats first though.
 
I think SSJ 1 Broly was stated to be the strongest opponent that they Saiyans ever fought or something. And then he went Legendary Super Saiyan 1 lol.
 
Yeah there was an promotional poster that showed Ikari and SS1 Broly when they said the strongest enemy. And Frieza also said SS1 Broly was the strongest opponent he ever faced or something like that in the light novel.
 
The Kaioken multipliers which are 2-20 are accepted by the staff. Super Saiyan 1 being 40x was also accepted. After that Super Saiyan 2 and 3 doesn't have an accepted multiplier so I just low balled and said they were only 2x. Super Saiyan God also didn't have one so I low balled and said it's only 10x even though the multiplier is likely at least over 100x since it's even more powerful than a hypothetical fusion of Vegito in Battle of Gods. And Super Saiyan Blue is the Super Saiyan 1 version of Super Saiyan God so it's 40x stronger. Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken is basically Kaioken stacked on Super Saiyan Blue. After that you also factor in the power ups Goku gained in between sagas and that's about it.
 
The Vegito statement was for the ceremony Saiyan God form though.

And I'm pretty sure the SSG form they can access at will is not the same increase in power that the Saiyan god ceremony.

I think it would be better to lowball it further to x2 like the other transformations, just to be the most conservative possible.
 
This is the absolute lowest low ball you could give to the DBS 3-As.

8 (End of Battle of Gods/Resurrection of Frieza/Universe 6 Tournament Base Goku) x 40 = 320 (Universe 6 Tournament SS1) x 2 = 640 (Universe 6 Tournament SS2) x 2 = 1,280 (Universe 6 Tournament SS3) x 2 = 2,560 (Universe 6 Tournament SSG) x 40 = 102,400 (Universe 6 Tournament SSB) x 10 = 1,024,000 (Universe 6 Tournament SSBKKx10/Future Trunks Saga SSB/Universe Survival Saga Pre-UIS SSG) x 40 = 40,960,000 (Universe Survival Saga Pre-UIS SSB) x 20 = 819,200,000 (Universe Survival Saga Pre-UIS SSBKKx20/Broly Saga Base) x 40 = 32,768,000,000 (Broly Saga SS1)
 
The problem is that you end up with a continuous chain of "relying on Power Level mulpliers" when Power Levels have already shown a less than ideal ability to scale linearly.

I don't forget the fact there's no real better way to do this, but it doesn't reduce my distaste.
 
We aren't using power levels though? This is just straight up scaling with accepted multipliers. And for the ones that we don't have a multiplier for we just say it's 2x stronger despite it being a ridiculously big low ball.
 
Except for the fact each transformation is a PL multiplier. Super Saiyan and Kaio-ken are accepted because 40x makes numerical sense when you account for his fight with Freeza even if you disregard that's how much his PL increases, while Kaio-ken is another direct PL multiplier which has been stated and shown many times to increase all stats by that specific number, so it was deemed consistent enough.

You may say it's indirectly, but it still applies as one.
 
Ehh fair enough. I'll probably start making the blog for this sometime in the future after all the current revision I'm partaking in are finished. And if anybody wants it I could also post the scaling chain for how far above baseline the strongest Low 2-Cs are.
 
Peter1129 said:
Ehh fair enough. I'll probably start making the blog for this sometime in the future after all the current revision I'm partaking in are finished. And if anybody wants it I could also post the scaling chain for how far above baseline the strongest Low 2-Cs are.
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I think that would be best since both sets of scaling chains are asked about constantly in threads.

Good luck!
 
^

Not trying to add more workload, but you could copy paste the 2-B reasoning too because a lot of people think it's baseline.
 
Sorry but I'm not knowledgeable in the 2-B Xenoverse/Heroes scaling. You're gonna have to ask somebody else about that.
 
I'm hoping this helps...

XV scaling : Demigra, the baseline for DBXV... Is much weaker than SSB Goku (Pre-Resurrection of F Saga) , Mira is weaker than SSB Goku (Before the Universe 6 Tournament) .

Similar scaling from the Super series for the Cast for DBS... So as of during ToP , SSJ1 (Tournament of Power) Goku would still be at least millions of times into the 2-B tier . The scaling is good... Except for Post-Tokipedia (Which happens before Broly Movie but after Tournament of Power)

Demon God Dabura >> God of Destruction Beerus & Champa (Considered them to be mere child's play in comparison, even after witnessing them going all-out) >= Future Warrior (Pre-MUI Goku, During Tokipedia Arc, Beerus calls FW2 his equal) . Even SSJ1 to SSJ2 Gohan, YAMCHA , HERCULE , Videl , and all the Trainers are at bare minimum stronger than FW1 .

Goku (Tokipedia Arc) - Goku's base surpassed Future Warrior to such a degree he was literally on the floor, downed. He needed a amp to win by Fu , and then forced Goku to use SSB , then MUI, and managed to slightly win against him.

Future Warrior then fought a Massively Amped Fu, later on . Fu oneshotted Demon God Dabura while out of energy, and is stronger than the MUI Goku from Tokipedia who should be leagues above the MUI from the ToP since he was forced to reunlock it. Then Fu got massively stronger via several other amps.

SSJ1 Kefla (Post-Tokipedia) defeated Fu without much trouble, saying " he was a warm-up " . Future Warrior fought her and beat her ,

Then the Broly Arc characters. Broly's Ikari State (Due to being Post-Tokipedia) is far stronger than SSJ2 Kefla (Post-Tokipedia) SSJ and LSSJ got a lot stronger since then, to the point he now, post-amping, has the power to even overwhelm SSB Gogeta (Post-Tokipedia) . Future Warrior beat that LSSJ

Then... FW2 beat Gogeta, Vegito ,Kefla, and Broly simultaneously while heavily handicapping themselves.

Post-Tokipedia Future Warrior (XV2) is at the very least comparable to (Post-Tokipedia) SSB Gogeta and SSB Vegito , both who represent a Post-Tokipedia fusion of Goku and Vegeta [Remember Base Goku is > Future Warrior (Tokipedia) by a lot, to the point he was borderline knocked out while Goku was completely fine and had no scratch on him] , fighting together, while holding back heavily against them. SSJ1 Kefla points this out when she fought 4 on 1 against the Future Warrior (the other being DBS Full Powered Super Saiyan Broly) , who keep in mind defeated a Amped Fu, who even when normal was stronger than Tokipedia MUI Goku and oneshotted Demon God Dabura while running out of energy.

So really it's Post-Tokipedia Future Warrior (Xenoverse 2; Fought SSB Vegito, Gogeta, FP Super Saiyan Broly , and SSJ1 Kefla together simultaneously and beat them all, even when the all broke their limits in the second half of the fight , all while heavily handicapped) >> SSB Vegito and Gogeta (Post-Tokipedia; Stupdenously stronger than FP SS Broly) >>> FP Super Saiyan Broly (Post-Tokipedia; Broly Arc happened after Tokipedia BTW, so just imagine how strong Broly is....) >>> SSJ Broly >>> Ikari Broly (by scaling is at least comparable to Post-Kefla SSJ2 Kefla)>>> SSJ1 Kefla (Post-Tokipedia) >> Massive Amped Fu >> Demon God Dabura >> Future Warrior (Post-Amp;Tokipedia) >= MUI Goku (Tokipedia) >>>>> Enraged MUI Goku (Tournament of Power) >> Limit Breaker Jiren >= MUI Goku (Tournament of Power) > Base Goku (Tokipedia) >>> Full Powered Jiren >= UIO 3rd Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and milions of overs later) SSB Goku (U6 saga) >>> Limiters Off Mira >> FW (Post-XV1) >>> Demigra (Pre-RoF;Post-BoG).

So... XV2 is definitely not baseline when it comes to scaling.
 
I think explaining DBXV and DBH's multiverse's size would be beneficial as well to give the sense of scale these characters are at.
 
Warren Valion said:
I think explaining DBXV and DBH's multiverse's size would be beneficial as well to give the sense of scale these characters are at.
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^ People think that timelines are only created by time travelers.
 
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