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I'm pretty sure that's not how we treat Death Manipulation. I recall that Ainz has definitely killed regenerators with instant death effects before (and I'm pretty sure at least some of them have Low-Mid Regenerationn, I think). And it has already been established that Grasp Heart does more than just crushing the heart, such as inflicting instant death on the target in a more abstract-like way like what most of his death spells does (just causing them to die for no discernible reason at all, from what I can recall). And I'm pretty sure Type 2 Immortality is not saving you from that type of Death Manipulation (Type 2 Immortality isn't like Type 5 or 7, where you have resistance due to not being considered as a conventional living being by default).Saikou The Lewd King said:Also given Kishin's regen and Type 2 immortality, I doubt Grasp Heart would be enough to kill him. He didn't even die with no blood at all.
LSirLancelotDuLaci's argument doesn't (necessarily) relies on Kishin's madness to be on the same level as a world item though. Unless Ainz resisted the world item on its own, bringing up world item is not necessary since Ainz's mind resistance is below the potency of world items.XLord of NightmaresX said:I don't think Kishin's madness manipulation is on the same level as that of a world item, cause that's kind of no limits fallacy to me.
If he can´t beat that immortality type 8 look at my vote though from aboveMarquis Samigina said:Why people trying to debate on this potential stomp thread? If madness aura is passive, then Ainz will shit himself in auto-lose. Stop wanking Ainz's shitty featless resistance to mindfuck, it's a no way a special deal. Also, don't see how Heinz would beat type 8 relying on the concept of fear.
In this site, the ammount affected by the mindhax = potency.XLord of NightmaresX said:Besides, it's not like kishin's madness manipulation is that strong, it may have a lot range (planetary) but it's not as strong as world items, since maka, black star and death the kid resisted it (even if only a little bit) and Ainz has stronger resistance than those three as he is the highest class of undead (which makes his resistance even more stronger than normal undead).
You need to calm down.Marquis Samigina said:Why people trying to debate on this potential stomp thread? If madness aura is passive, then Ainz will shit himself in auto-lose. Stop wanking Ainz's shitty featless resistance to mindfuck, it's a no way a special deal. Also, don't see how Heinz would beat type 8 relying on the concept of fear.
Fix that grammer: as long as Ainz exists as AinzMarquis Samigina said:Yup, Ainz is nervous paranoid fellow who is always afraid of loosing face in front of his colleagues. Put it simply, as long as Ainz exists as Ainz, Kishin would come back to babyshake him.
I said kishin's madness manipulation has a lot of range (planetary) but it's not as powerful as world items. Also, in the overlord lore and in-game, undead literally have mind manipulation resistance and being in a higher class like an overlord makes him even more resistant to mind manipulation.DragonEmperor23 said:You can't just give Ainz better resistance than other alive characters just because he is undead.
Ainz resistance is literally on the same level as Shalltear or even more. They are both undead (which is literally the reason they can only be affected by world items or something of equivalent power).DragonEmperor23 said:That's not how that works. If Ainz dies because someone who is Multi Continental punches him, that doesn't make Ainz multi continental for only being killed by a Multi Continental attack. Just because an attack works on you does not mean that anything weaker than that atttack won't.
Reinhard's hax would be more powerful than a world item if characters that are planet level resisted it. My point is the same.Paul Frank said:Wow guys ainz has mindhax immunity so I guess he doesn't get passively stomped by reinhard pulling out his spear ovo
It is that way in overlord.DragonEmperor23 said:Dude being undead does not automatically make you have better resistance than anyone that is alive.