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Voldemort versus Kiritsugu Emiya
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Voldy kills Kiri before anything really happens. He is throwing High 8-C stuff while Kiri is only 9-B unless he gets prep which he doesn't have. I'm not sure if Avalon even helps beyond allowing Time Alter spam since AK doesn't cause physical damage to be healed and the physical damage from other spells will paste Kiri too much to even heal.
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I think you're overestimating the scale of Voldemort's spells. It's not like Kiritsugu can't dodge.
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Doesn't Voldy have AOE? And he spams AK anyway. If Avalon could rez Kiri from that then I'd lean to Kiri but I dunno the mechanics for AK.
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He does but it's not exactly his first move (that'd be Avada Kedavra). Avada Kedavra would 100% kill Kerry but it can be dodged. Not that it matters, the starting range means Voldemort can't hit him ASAP.
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Voldemort has homing attacks in the form of Fiendfyre spells, which are not only vastly above Kiri's physical paygrade, but are also capable of getting past magical defenses that block other spells. (Which horcruxes have.)
There's also not a whole lot preventing Tom from turning Kiri's guns into snakes or goblets or something, or TKing him to the ground and using the Cruciatus curse on him until he's basically crying. (which he did to Harry)
Kiri's main advantage is his Origin Bullets, which kill Tom about the same his regular bullets would, but also pierce any Shield Charms he can throw up. However, Tom can also conjure silver to block projectiles, and is as likely as not to do that even if he doesn't figure out the nature of the Origin Bullets.
Which he has a chance of being able to do, since (much like Snape) he abuses Legilimency and Kiri doesn't have any telepathic protection.
There's also not a whole lot preventing Tom from turning Kiri's guns into snakes or goblets or something, or TKing him to the ground and using the Cruciatus curse on him until he's basically crying. (which he did to Harry)
Kiri's main advantage is his Origin Bullets, which kill Tom about the same his regular bullets would, but also pierce any Shield Charms he can throw up. However, Tom can also conjure silver to block projectiles, and is as likely as not to do that even if he doesn't figure out the nature of the Origin Bullets.
Which he has a chance of being able to do, since (much like Snape) he abuses Legilimency and Kiri doesn't have any telepathic protection.
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Magus do have magic resist by virtue of having od but it is nowhere near enough for this fight.
On the Origin Bullets, so long as magic touches them they take effect but Kiri only carries a few around with him and will likely only cripple Voldemort since he doesn't need to commit much to beat someone far weaker than him.
On the Origin Bullets, so long as magic touches them they take effect but Kiri only carries a few around with him and will likely only cripple Voldemort since he doesn't need to commit much to beat someone far weaker than him.
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Personally, I'm doubtful that Voldemort - or any wizard from HP - would prioritize dealing with a gun, since they treat them as jokes and harmless toys. Voldemort especially is so unbelievably arrogant.
Kiri should have telepathic protection. A shitty magus like Shirou is noted to be very vulnerable to telepathic attacks from other Servants (such as Caster, as seen in Fate) - Shirou is the exception in this vulnerability, because of his lackluster levels of magical energy giving him awful resistance. Kiritsugu should be fine with this level of mental attack, but it's not gonna be enough to protect him from more destructive spells.
An Origin Bullet will ruin Tom. He'll be paralyzed at the least and probably won't be able to use magic, either.
Kiri should have telepathic protection. A shitty magus like Shirou is noted to be very vulnerable to telepathic attacks from other Servants (such as Caster, as seen in Fate) - Shirou is the exception in this vulnerability, because of his lackluster levels of magical energy giving him awful resistance. Kiritsugu should be fine with this level of mental attack, but it's not gonna be enough to protect him from more destructive spells.
An Origin Bullet will ruin Tom. He'll be paralyzed at the least and probably won't be able to use magic, either.
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I'm pretty sure said bullets have to be fired first before their nullification aspects take effect. I don't remember them being able to passively null magic even when they haven't been shot at anyone. (although it doesn't help that nobody ever had the bright idea to use magic on Kiri's guns at any point IIRC, let alone his Contender)
Although, considering the fact that I haven't seen F/Z in a good while, I may be forgetting something.
Although, considering the fact that I haven't seen F/Z in a good while, I may be forgetting something.
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Oh, yes, they have to be fired. They have no passive effects. I'm talking about Kiritsugu's natural levels of magic resistance, derived from his own supply of magical energy, which all magi have.
An Origin Bullet needs to land to be effective, yes, but a lot of ways to deflect or defend from it won't help.
An Origin Bullet needs to land to be effective, yes, but a lot of ways to deflect or defend from it won't help.
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An Origin Bullet will ruin Tom. He'll be paralyzed at the least and probably won't be able to use magic, either.
Kiri's normal bullets will ruin Tom. They're shown to hurt and kill people much further into 9-B (which HP really shouldn't even be, physically) than Voldemort is by some leaps and bounds.
Wizards don't treat guns as a joke in-verse, either. Ron's father in particular considers them dangerous, and the only person (that I can remember) who ever directly looked at one with no fear was Hagrid, who shows right after that he can bend one like a piece of cardboard.
Kiri's normal bullets will ruin Tom. They're shown to hurt and kill people much further into 9-B (which HP really shouldn't even be, physically) than Voldemort is by some leaps and bounds.
Wizards don't treat guns as a joke in-verse, either. Ron's father in particular considers them dangerous, and the only person (that I can remember) who ever directly looked at one with no fear was Hagrid, who shows right after that he can bend one like a piece of cardboard.
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Certainly true! But an Origin Bullet is the ace in the hole here, and would probably disable this shard of Voldemort's soul thanks to the soul-crippling / magic circuit-frying effects. Could probably even **** over a Horcrux.
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Giving this to Kiri. The starting range, Voldy's ego and knowledge that both characters are mages lands this solidly in Kiri's homefield advantage.
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If they're at 600m or more, Kiri has to find Tom's location before he can snipe him, and as I've mentioned in a few different threads lately, Central Park is not a great place to see someone from that far away unless you already know where they're standing. Too many trees, benches, shacks, lamps, boathouses, etc. interfering with line-of-sight.
And if Kiri shoots at Tom while the latter is aware, the latter can just teleport. He's quite literally one of the only two characters in his verse who's been shown using Apparition to dodge attacks. (the other being Dumbledore)
And if Kiri shoots at Tom while the latter is aware, the latter can just teleport. He's quite literally one of the only two characters in his verse who's been shown using Apparition to dodge attacks. (the other being Dumbledore)
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I don't have a vote yet, btw. I'm waiting to see what else gets presented before I make a decision.
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On the other hand, Kiri is very skilled at stealth and it really should be hard for him to find a decent vantage point.
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Kiri can detect magical energy to pick out even a completely normal human who somehow became a Master from a crowd of normal humans.
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Tbf, Ryunosuke was screaming about how awesome the monster was and everyone was standing away from him while Kiri was likely using his thermal scope since he was going for a Master.
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Oh yeah, him being an idiot definitely helped.
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I just noticed this.Promestein said:
Avada Kedavra isn't the only thing he's ever started off with. Yes, he uses it a lot, but he's as likely as not to open with other spells. He only ever consistently starts off with it in the movies, which really dumbed down his fighting style for the sake of flashiness.
Hell, he flat-out Petrificus Totalis'd Neville in the last book, and even in the movies, he ended a fight with Harry before it could begin by just TKing his wand out of his hand.
Also, at this range, he's far more likely to Apparate to some sort of high ground or take to the sky in order to see more of his surroundings, which (if I'm remembering properly) is pretty much his go-to thing whenever he can't see anyone he's looking for. That, or he'll try to locate Kiri with his Legilimency, which he did to Harry numerous times just to harrass him and mess with his head. Although, if Kiri does have telepathic protection (that should be added to his page if that's the case), then the latter option might not work so well.
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Wait, Voldemort has the high ground?
Yeah, Kiri has less of a chance than anakin.
Yeah, Kiri has less of a chance than anakin.
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I'm sorry, but if He-who-has-a-shit-name just levitates into the air then he's an even better sniper target.
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@Apies
High ground cover and take it to the sky.
Not just the float to the sky.
High ground cover and take it to the sky.
Not just the float to the sky.
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How does one both have cover and take to the skies? In order for Voldamoss to see Kiri from the sky he'd be visible to Kiri.
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What? Dude.
I meant his option is either what MrKing said.
"He either takes to higher ground near some cover"
OR
"Takes to the sky"
I'm not saying both at the same time.
I meant his option is either what MrKing said.
"He either takes to higher ground near some cover"
OR
"Takes to the sky"
I'm not saying both at the same time.
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Ah, sorry. Misinterpertation on my part.
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No worries.
That said I gotta ask, isn't Kiritsugu's Origin Bullets something he uses near the end? Not always in character?
That said I gotta ask, isn't Kiritsugu's Origin Bullets something he uses near the end? Not always in character?
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In the one fight I can remember, Kiri used normal bullets against a mage to lure him into a false sense of security then used Origin Bullets. He'd likely do the same here. Normal bullets to trick Voltamorticia into beliveing he can just block them, then Origin Bullets for the win.
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Yeah with the Liquid Mercury guy. Though he preferred to try to take him down by other means first. Though it makes sense considering there's prep time. That said if Voldy apparitions out it won't work too well.
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WhatCoreOfimBalance(COB) said:
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Um ... where is this supposed prep? I see "no prep time" but no "prep"
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@King and Anonymous
Bad wording. I meant knowledge. If they know the other is a mage then Kiritsugu would at least know how to react. Of course if he spots that Voldemort keeps teleporting around instead of blocking, then he might not use the Origin Bullet since that's way too risky and likelier to miss.
Bad wording. I meant knowledge. If they know the other is a mage then Kiritsugu would at least know how to react. Of course if he spots that Voldemort keeps teleporting around instead of blocking, then he might not use the Origin Bullet since that's way too risky and likelier to miss.
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Kerry uses Time Alter to dodge most spells Voldemort casts and pops a cap in him with the Tompson Contender before he can pull off massive AoEs as Voldemort's consistent first move is Avada Kadevera.
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Problem is that Kiri will only use the OB if he is sure it will hit and that is looking like never.
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Why wouldn't it hit? Voldemort wouldn't have time to react with Time Alter and Kerry can easily distract him with a volley from his Jericho before repositioning himself and capping the wizard in the head.
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Because its speed equal and Kiri can react to bullets just fine.
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Speed amps are allowed in speed equal matches.
Voldemort would have to notice him firing the gun in the first place before he can block it.
Voldemort would have to notice him firing the gun in the first place before he can block it.
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They don't amp the bullets though (would be awesome if they did) just his body and he an only hold it for a short time anyway. Its gonna be riiculously hard to close with Voldy.
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