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Neji/Hinata vs Toph/Aang

ProfessorKukui4Life

ProfessorKukui4Life

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Neji body
*Sigh* You shouldn't be here Hinata...your not strong enough...but whatever. Just don't get in my way.

Toph Beifong
That's some tough talk for someone who's gonna get his butt kicked! Lets go twinkle toes, we own them!

Avatar Aang
Im sorry...but if you want to fight my friend, you're facing me too. Bring it!

Hinata p1 render
Naruto believes...in me...so I...will do my best...to win brother!

Battle between teams who have ridiculous sensory cpabilities! And 3 (well 1) out of 4 who are blind butt kickers...

Team Avatar: Toph Beifong and Avatar Aang

Team Naruto: Neji and Hinata Hyuga

Tier: 8-B vs High 8-C

Speed: Unequal for tiering reasons

No Avatar State

Aang is battling via Seismic Sense to fit this battle's theme

Location: Forest of Death

Starting Distance: Opposite ends of the forest

Team Naruto votes: 4

Team Avatar votes: 6

Draw:
 
Doesn't neji, like, slap down other 8-Bs physicly, and one-shot with any attack he lands?
 
It's no secret the Hyugas have the AP advantage, especially Neji. Thats why I purposely left speed unequalized because the Avatar team has a speed advantage.

In a place like the FoD, it's the Hyugas AP against the Avatar Squads speed (and other factors to be determined). If it wasn't for speed, this match would definitely be borderline stompish.
 
Plus, the starting distance prevents any funny business speed blitzs.

One team starts on one end of the Forsest, the other team the other side.
 
They keep tanking until the they run out of stamina then.

Neji is stronger than lee, who was stronger than sasuke with his weights on (even without speed being counted in). And Sasuke was also somewhat stronger at this point than when he performed the feat.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Plus, the starting distance prevents any funny business speed blitzs.
One team starts on one end of the Forsest, the other team the other side.
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Not really, they are never hitting a massivly hypersonic, no matter the fact that they see them or not.

There is, like, a 60 times speed difference.
 
Based on how the Hyuga come at them jabbing with their fingers, it would be fair for the Gaang to assume they are chi blockers like Ty Lee. They just back off and turtle up in rock armor and proceed to wreck ass. If need be Aang just lights up the forest. Gaang ftw.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Based on how the Hyuga come at them jabbing with their fingers, it would be fair for the Gaang to assume they are chi blockers like Ty Lee. They just back off and turtle up in rock armor and proceed to wreck ass. If need be Aang just lights up the forest. Gaang ftw.
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The sheer AP difference makes their attacks barely felt.
 
I'll count your vote but just a small tid-bit, Chi Blockers and Chi Hyugas are pretty much the same but unlike the former, the latter goes beyond just physical pressure point strikes and blasts their own energy (chakra) into the opponents body to damage them. It's debatable on whether or not the Gaang's rock armor would defend against that.
 
I don't expect the rock armor to stop a full on jyuken strike at all. My logic was that since the Gaang are faster and the rock armor makes no difference to their mobility, it keeps the Hyuga fingers away fom them long enough to ensure a successful dodge. Glancing hits on the armor can be fixed up pretty easily.

As for the AP difference, the Gaang have sunk people into the ground before. Just pile on the rock to restrain or suffocate into submission.
 
Neji's only 8-A with Kaiton though, which is primarily defensive based. Plus for fairness reasons I thought I should leave it out.
 
Neji can solo. Not only does he have better durability, but he also has better movement speed and resilience. Hinata is also just Neji light, so she's not far behind either. Not a stomp, but a clean match.

1. The Avatar Verse benders manipulate their elements using their Chi, which the same thing happens in Naruto— the Hyuga clan's Taijutsu is specifically designed to destroy chakra constructs, and this may be applicable to things manipulated by chakra as well. In any case, even then, the gentle fist could pierce right through the earth style— Er, earth bending armor, like it did against Kimimaro's wax chakra armor on his body. Neji broke through that with his strikes. Not only that, but Neji is an exceptional Hyuga— scaling physically to Rock Lee. Hyuga aren't supposed to be physically exceptional, but Neji can just Punch hard without the gentle fist, based on being superior to Lee's physical strength. Hinata scales lower, but keeps relative to Neji's stats. She is outclassed by him in skill, but that doesn't matter much here.

2. Their movement speed is far superior to the Avatar groups, who's reactions and combat speed scale at lightning but their movements don't. While they can be caught in traps really fast, the blasts of earth and wind won't do anything to their bodies in a harmful way. The capturing with rocks and submerging them makes sense— if they couldn't just break out with physical strength. The argument Anon presents is faulty because those characters can't just break themselves out of the ground unless they are Earth Benders. No one has super strength in Avatar. Naruto characters can easily just bust through the ground unless the Bury then hundreds of feat in the ground.
 
What's the speed difference here? I understand there is a distance thing to prevent Speed Blitz, but still. I can only state my opinion after knowing this.
 
Your vote will get counted Amexim. And honestly TFO, outside of eBay and reaction speeds I don't know. Or don't remember. They should be supersonic in terms of movement at least since they were that fast before upgrades.
 
This is a Stomp with Unequal Speed. Hinata and Neji in Part 1 don't have long range jutsu. They need to be close Quarters to do anything. With Avatar Characters being MHS, there is no way Neji and Hinata win. I'm sorry.
 
TheFinalOrder said:
This is a Stomp with Unequal Speed. Hinata and Neji in Part 1 don't have long range jutsu. They need to be close Quarters to do anything. With Avatar Characters being MHS, there is no way Neji and Hinata win. I'm sorry.
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Yeah but they have the AP advantage for being 8-B, team Avatar is High 8-C, thats why its an AP vs Speed battle among other factors, like bypassing Gentle Fist. No matter who wins, this shouldnt be a stomp
 
This looks interesting. I'm definitely gonna come back to this one.
 
1. A speed blitz in combat and reactions doesn't mean much when they can't do anything to put them down.

2. @Hrishi Their lifting strength is superhuman. Striking is City Block, and Neji's Hyuga body blow would burst through the rocks. He should be capable of doing that attack, given that the Hyuga body blow is less complex than the Rotation, but applies the same principles of releasing chakra from your entire body.
 
Aang and Toph would literally be seeing them move in Slow motion. The aAP gap isn't much as both are High 8-C anyways ans Naruto Characters without Cloaks have vastly lower aDurability to Cutting/Piercing attacks.
 
Guys, no speed blitzing is happening right away. I set this battle up to have teams start on the opposite ends of the Forest of Death so that they'll eventually meet in the middle and fight it out.

So it gives both teams an even chance and depending on whose sensing abilities are used best (Seismic Sense vs Byakugan) they can use the forest layout to their stealth advantage.
 
TheFinalOrder said:
Naruto Characters without Cloaks have vastly lower aDurability to Cutting/Piercing attacks.
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This is one pieve and bullets all over again...
 
And like I said, the Distance isn't a Factor as i said earlier, Hinata and Neji can only win via CQC. They have to get close.
 
Then it would come down to this:

Aang and Toph: Long-ranged bending and better reaction/combat speed

Hinata and Neji: Close-ranged Gentle Fist 8-B strikes that bypass durability and arguably better sensing cuz of Byakugan, plus ninja tools and stuff.

Just thoughts as OP.
 
>Vastly lower durability via cutting

This ignores the fact that these weapons are swung by superhumans. This argument that they're weak to blades is actually nonsense. What, is Frieza weak to Swords because trunks cut him in half? No.

And Neji and Hinata can easily get close. Even if they spam attacks, it doesn't change the fact that they've missed blows against characters with vastly inferior movement speed— and have been brought to heel by h2h characters like Tai Lee before— or are scalable/inferior to people who have.
 
What is the difference in their AP?
 
Toph is 9 tons of TNT

Neji is superior to someone who was slapping down someone who was far stronger tha 13 Tons of TNT
 
Interesting interesting

Need to revise Hyuga profiles but they have a pre cog ability proven by Neji who saved Naruto and Hiashi was closer to Naruto and sill said he wouldn't make it in time


Going with Hinata and Neji cause as ninjas they still have Shunshin and substitution jutsu which will be something outa the world for Aang to see

Also FRA
 
Amexim said:
>Vastly lower durability via cutting
This ignores the fact that these weapons are swung by superhumans. This argument that they're weak to blades is actually nonsense. What, is Frieza weak to Swords because trunks cut him in half? No.

And Neji and Hinata can easily get close. Even if they spam attacks, it doesn't change the fact that they've missed blows against characters with vastly inferior movement speed— and have been brought to heel by h2h characters like Tai Lee before— or are scalable/inferior to people who have.
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Except the bold has been proven and implied countless times. Himawari with a Kunai can hurt Naruto or Sasuke with a direct hit if they allowed it. They aren't like Superman in this regard. A vastly weaker character can harm those without Cloaks.

And I never said Neji and Hinata couldn't easily get close. But it's absurd to think a Hypersonic Character is gonna tag a MHS character in CqC.
 
No. She can't. Himawari can't. The only people who have harmed them should have been killed instantly— the entire situation with Shin "Uchiha". A planet level being getting stabbed by anything less than a Multi-Continental+ guy is PIS or WIS on sight. The idea is stupid by itself and goes against the logic the story presents when it gives characters the ability to be punched into the ground with the force of nukes. That's not how durability works. At all.

That part about tagging a MHS character in CqC may be valid though. I just think that their ability to handle characters in CqC is up for dispute, even in spite of reactions. I agree that the normal assumption with stuff like this is that everything but their running/travel speed is MHS, including their dodging speed, and ability to block.

So, maybe Toph and Aang win because of not being able to be hit and attrition. Being closer together in AP May make them specifically able to pierce their skin, but that's because they're close in AP.
 
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