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Unbanning DB vs. Marvel/DC (and possibly Saint Seiya too)

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There is no need to ban these. We have vs matches that go horribly wrong and turn into flamewars all the time. Not to mention Content Revisions. Yet we don't ban those. Keeping this short, should I have to go into detail, I shall in a later post.
 
At this point I believe that the moment they turn into flamewars the threads are to be closed. Otherwise, they can happen.

Dragon Ball vs Saint Seiya should not be banned as it blatantly should not happen for obvious reasons.
 
I agree 100%.

Rules are GUIDELINES. They are not strict facts that MUST be followed no matter what, with obvious exceptions like being polite and not insulting people.

That's why we always rewrite rules. To avoid people mindlessly following 'em. We rewrote the non-canon page because people were nitpicking it.

When I see a harmless DC vs. DBZ thread, and I see people spamming "it's not allowed" without even taking a look at the thread itself, it's...you know. Annoying. Makes me facepalm.

...That's roughly my opinion in the matter. In short, I believe we should stop with this.
 
I agree with this. Here's hoping Ant doesn't close this this time. But Goku vs. Superman shouldn't happen at all. The flamewar for that would haunt this wiki until the end of it's days if that match ever gets any attention.
 
Well, I'll speak up here.

Thing is, most of these matches are stomps.

The staff got tired of closing Dragon Ball vs Saint Seiya because people didn't get that they were stomps.

Same thing is going to happen with DC vs Dragon Ball, and Marvel vs Dragon Ball.

You'll have Goku vs Superman, 4-B versions used, and Superman AP stomps.

Really, this isn't something we should deal with.
 
Kepekley23 said:
I agree 100%.

Rules are GUIDELINES. They are not strict facts that MUST be followed no matter what, with obvious exceptions like being polite and not insulting people.

That's why we always rewrite rules. To avoid people mindlessly following 'em. We rewrote the non-canon page because people were nitpicking it.

When I see a harmless DC vs. DBZ thread, and I see people spamming "it's not allowed" without even taking a look at the thread itself, it's...you know. Annoying. Makes me facepalm.

...That's roughly my opinion in the matter. In short, I believe we should stop with this.
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That sounds exactly like FW vs Seiya on your third paragraph
 
@DMUA

The point flew past your head.

Superman vs. Goku is a stomp, but that doesn't mean every single DC character can stomp Goku.
 
That's literally the case with any AP stomp and/or hax stomp.

The verses do not matter.
 
well ok I get DC (and possibly Saint Seiya) but why was Marvel included, was it purely by virtue of association of being a comic?
 
We deal with overly long and exhausting things to look at threads here. Of course we should keep an eye on these threads but I think as long as they don't devolve into a flame war, it should be fine.

Easier said than done of course but still.
 
Kepekley23 said:
@DMUA

The point flew past your head.

Superman vs. Goku is a stomp, but that doesn't mean every single DC character can stomp Goku.
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Not even true for some versions.
 
Kepekley23 said:
@DMUA

The point flew past your head.

Superman vs. Goku is a stomp, but that doesn't mean every single DC character can stomp Goku.
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It does mean there will be a frequent need to close threads, which is going to irritate staff.
 
Depends on if there are that many stomps threads lol. It is not like the moment they are unbanned there will be hundreds of DC vs Dragonball threads. Also people knowledgable about both verses can inform the OP that it is a stomp.
 
@DMUA

That is still not the point.

That's the case with every single verse in history that has a hax advantage over DBZ. It's not a reason to prevent the threads.
 
I can do it, if it is such a problem...
 
Kepekley23 said:
@DMUA

That is still not the point.

That's the case with every single verse in history that has a hax advantage over DBZ. It's not a reason to prevent the threads.
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But they happened to an irritating degree, which is the whole cause of the ban in the first place.

What's changed between the time we banned them and now?
 
I guess Digimon vs Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon vs Dragon Ball, Pokemon vs Dragon Ball [insert other haxed verse here] vs Dragon Ball needs to be banned. Just because something haxstomps Dragon Ball doesn't mean the match-up needs to be banned.
 
DB vs. Saint Seya and Goku vs. Superman stays banned. But there are still plenty of DB vs. DC/Marvel matches that can be fair and can be reasonably debated. If a certain match starts causing problems we just ban that specific match-up. (Like if people start spamming Piccolo vs. Martian Manhunter without realising that Manhunter hax stomps then we just ban that specific match up.) There are still plenty of fights that can be made without starting a flamewar or being stomps.
 
Dragon Ball vs Saint Seiya was never officially banned, it is just restricted cause it is a hax stomp.

Goku vs Superman is super controversial, but put Buu Saga Goku vs Post-Crisis Superman, or Super Goku vs Pre-Crisis Superman and the result will be much the same for similar reasons.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
I guess Digimon vs Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon vs Dragon Ball, Pokemon vs Dragon Ball [insert other haxed verse here] vs Dragon Ball needs to be banned.
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You only want to make Toppo vs Stingmon invalid
 
That's not the cause of it at all. The reason why Goku vs. Superman is banned is because it causes flame-wars. That does not mean DC vs. DBZ should be banned, and it's not the point.

Banning two verses because of two characters is a combination of three different fallacies. Hasty generalization, association fallacy and non-sequitur.

If a rule is fallacious, it shouldn't be a rule.
 
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