Zoan Tobiroppo downgrade + Gear 3 Post Udon Luffy upgrade

[Eseseso]

Ok, so we all know that the Zoan Tobiroppo scale to 477.6 gigatons via scaling to G3 Luffy.

However, I disagree with both reasons for this.

1. Luffy wanting to use G4 against Ulti doesn't really mean that she is above G3. First off, after seeing Ulti get one shot by Yamato, Luffy still decided to use G2+3 against Yamato despite knowing she was above Ulti. Second, he's used G3 against Beast Pirate Fodder, doesn't mean they're above Gear 2 or Base. He also used Gear 4 against fodder beast pirate ships.

It's far likelier that he just needed to break out of the hold Zoan Ulti had him in.

2. Page One did not "tank" a hit from Gear 2+3 Luffy, he got one-shot, like against Big Mom. Yes he later got up but he didn't tank it (and him saying he did is likely just him being cocky). Saying he tanked it is absurd.

Thus, the Zoan Tobiroppo should simply scale above their base selves.

On a related note, I think Gear 3 should either scale to 1.032 petatons or downscale to Baseline 6-A for punching Kaido.

1. Yes he used Ryou, but there is still a bruise/wound mark on the side of Kaido's head when he talks about Luffy damaging him.

2. This punch still made him compare Luffy to Whitebeard and others in terms of power, implying that G3 Luffy should be at least somewhat comparable to them (as in Baseline 6-A or higher).

2.5. Also, note how Kaido is bleeding from the side of the mouth opposite Luffy's punch after being slammed into the ground, implying that the force of Luffy's G3 punch slamming his face into the ground made him bleed from the mouth.

Thus G3 Luffy should be either Baseline 6-A (scabbard level)or 1.032 petaton 6-A for hurting Kaido with at least some external damage and being at the very least compared to whitebeard and other 1.032 petaton level people.

 

[Eminiteable]

First off, after seeing Ulti get one shot by Yamato, Luffy still decided to use G2+3 against Yamato despite knowing she was above Ulti.

Second, he's used G3 against Beast Pirate Fodder, doesn't mean they're above Gear 2 or Base. He also used Gear 4 against fodder beast pirate ships.

So Ulti scales around Gear 3rd and so he used that level and power and more against Yamato.

He wasn't forced to use Gear 3rd or 4th against these people, he was pressured to by Ulti. These aren't comparable.

2. Page One did not "tank" a hit from Gear 2+3 Luffy, he got one-shot, like against Big Mom. Yes he later got up but he didn't tank it (and him saying he did is likely just him being cocky). Saying he tanked it is absurd.

He didn't get one-shot at all, sure he didn't tank it but all the hit did was cause damage and knock him to the floor. that hit and big mom one-shotting him aren't comparable. Page One even admits the damage wasn't that severe and we have no reason to assume he was being cocky nor do we have evidence that he was lying.

On a related note, I think Gear 3 should either scale to 1.032 petatons or downscale to Baseline 6-A for punching Kaido.

1. Yes he used Ryou, but there is still a bruise/wound mark on the side of Kaido's head when he talks about Luffy damaging him.

2. This punch still made him compare Luffy to Whitebeard and others in terms of power, implying that G3 Luffy should be at least somewhat comparable to them (as in Baseline 6-A or higher).

2.5. Also, note how Kaido is bleeding from the side of the mouth opposite Luffy's punch after being slammed into the ground, implying that the force of Luffy's G3 punch slamming his face into the ground made him bleed from the mouth.

1. Not sure about this, could be a burn mark from the red roc or an insignificant wound considering it's gone in later panels.

2. Not at all, the reason he was compared to them is Kaidou envisioning his growth, which is highlighted by "How high will your ceiling rise" he wasn't being compared to them in strength right at that moment only that he will grow to that level. Kaidou comparing them as well was a result of Luffy damaging him which was completely credited to Luffy's internal ryuo.

3. No, Ryuo targets the inside of his opponent, Kaidou's whole head was internally attacked by Luffy's Ryuo which is the credited reason for him being damaged.

 

[WrongIdea21]

e's used G3 against Beast Pirate Fodder,

This is when he is angry for the fodder wating the food.

He also used Gear 4 against fodder beast pirate ships.

This is because he show his power to his rivals.

 

[KingTempest]

1. Luffy wanting to use G4 against Ulti doesn't really mean that she is above G3. First off, after seeing Ulti get one shot by Yamato, Luffy still decided to use G2+3 against Yamato despite knowing she was above Ulti. Second, he's used G3 against Beast Pirate Fodder, doesn't mean they're above Gear 2 or Base. He also used Gear 4 against fodder beast pirate ships.

It's far likelier that he just needed to break out of the hold Zoan Ulti had him in.

It's called "support". She has a solid rating, her saying that she's strong after she subdues his G3rd and he needs a stronger form means G3rd isn't enough.

2. Page One did not "tank" a hit from Gear 2+3 Luffy, he got one-shot, like against Big Mom. Yes he later got up but he didn't tank it (and him saying he did is likely just him being cocky). Saying he tanked it is absurd.

Nobody said he tanked a hit from him.

He didn't get one shot. He got hit down and got right back up, it's just that so many different events happened in a small timeframe that it seemed like he was there for a long time.

On a related note, I think Gear 3 should either scale to 1.032 petatons or downscale to Baseline 6-A for punching Kaido.

Not everybody needs to scale to Continental

1. Yes he used Ryou, but there is still a bruise/wound mark on the side of Kaido's head when he talks about Luffy damaging him.

Insignificant bruise caused by the burning and inside pains.

2. This punch still made him compare Luffy to Whitebeard and others in terms of power, implying that G3 Luffy should be at least somewhat comparable to them (as in Baseline 6-A or higher).

Somehow you disagree with Ulti's but this is fine?

Yeah no, this was strictly cause of the dura neg.

2.5. Also, note how Kaido is bleeding from the side of the mouth opposite Luffy's punch after being slammed into the ground, implying that the force of Luffy's G3 punch slamming his face into the ground made him bleed from the mouth.

You know he got punched in the head right? He'd bleed from the head for getting punched in the head, so unless you want blood to come out his ears, his mouth makes sense

Thus G3 Luffy should be either Baseline 6-A (scabbard level)or 1.032 petaton 6-A for hurting Kaido with at least some external damage and being at the very least compared to whitebeard and other 1.032 petaton level people.

No.

 

[Eseseso]

This can now be closed, I'm folding.