Gear 2/3 revision based on Bazooka scaling.

[Eseseso]

Ok, I know this was once discussed before but I'm bringing it up again.

Gear 2 in Enies Lobby was stronger than a base Bazooka, so it is >2x base Luffy in Enies Lobby.

Gear 3rd was stronger than Jet Bazooka, so it is >2x G2 Luffy pre-timeskip.


There is absolutely nothing saying that this scaling has changed post-timeskip, especially since Doflamingo was relatively unhurt by Eagle Bazooka, yet decided to block or dodge all the Gear 3rd hits.

Nothing at all supports G2nd no longer being above Base Bazooka, or G3 not being above Jet Bazooka any longer.

What would this mean for post-TS scaling?

G2 Luffy in Fishman Island/Dressrosa and Early WCI would be 3.78 gigatons, and since Doflamingo is above DJ Sanji who is above Eagle Bazooka, Base Doffy (and by extension Dressrosa Law, Hawkins, and the Base Tobiroppo) get buffed to 7.57 gigatons, while Dressrosa G4 Luffy scales to 4x G2, or 15.147 gigatons.

G3 is basically the same as it already scales to 7.57 gigatons, aka double Gear 2nd.

Post-Udon G2 Luffy would scale to 15.147 gigatons (as it is 2x Base Luffy who is Base Tobiroppo level), while Post-Udon G3 already scales to 30.295 gigatons from Katakuri scaling so it wouldn't change.

Also, Zoro would scale to 4x Gear 2nd, which would be 15.147 gigatons.

In short, the only tier changes would be:

G2nd Luffy in FI, Dressrosa, Early WCI, and Post Katakuri would now be High 7-A+ due to being 2x Base Luffy's 1.89 gigatons.

Post-Udon Base and G2nd Luffy would now be 6-C.

Diable Jambe Sanji would be 6-C via scaling above Eagle Bazooka (which is 2x Gear 2nd), as would Base Doflamingo.

 

[Sus]

Pretty sure we don't give multipliers based solely on feats

 

[Eseseso]

Pretty sure we don't give multipliers based solely on feats

But Gear 2 and 3 should still have their scaling over Base Bazooka and Jet Bazooka, respectively.

 

[Sus]

But Gear 2 and 3 should still have their scaling over Base Bazooka and Jet Bazooka, respectively.

I don't know much about one piece, but if this is correct then it can be used

 

[SnookB]

You already know my stance on it.
Gear 2's regular attack was shown to be far stronger than base Luffy's strongest two-handed attack. So the absolute minimum of >two-handed attack is given to us.
The example is Luffy hitting Lucci with Bazooka and does less than he does vs a stronger Lucci with a single handed G2 attack.

We also know Gear 3 is stronger than jet bazooka (by a large degree), which gives it a bare minimum of >Two-handed G2. In this case, Doflamingo saying eagle bazooka tickles, but having to actively block a single-handed Gear 3 attack.

Numbers and values aside, Gear 2 and Gear 3 respectively should scale x2 the previous form with their base attacks. Since it's the exact same forms with the exact showings across the arcs, there's no reason to assume this changed across any arc.

 

[Eminiteable]

Agree FRA

 

[Eseseso]

Bump

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Can you put some scans in the OP or sumn that show like G3 being > eagle bazooka and whatnot

 

[Eseseso]

Can you put some scans in the OP or sumn that show like G3 being > eagle bazooka and whatnot

To quote the late GodlyCharmander:

• Lucci, with Rokushiki, tanks a bazooka. Luffy Gear 2 Jet Pistol is better than Bazooka.
• Hybrid Lucci can tank G2's Jet Bazooka with his Tekkai. Gear 3rd breaks this man's tekkai.

This was already accepted like 5 months ago in the pre-timeskip revisions, and absolutely nothing says this relationship between G2/3 and the previous form's Bazooka has changed post-timeskip.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

To quote the late GodlyCharmander:

• Lucci, with Rokushiki, tanks a bazooka. Luffy Gear 2 Jet Pistol is better than Bazooka.
• Hybrid Lucci can tank G2's Jet Bazooka with his Tekkai. Gear 3rd breaks this man's tekkai.

This was already accepted like 5 months ago in the pre-timeskip revisions, and absolutely nothing says this relationship between G2/3 and the previous form's Bazooka has changed post-timeskip.

No I meant for post TS

 

[Eseseso]

No I meant for post TS

There is nothing stating that G2 and G3's scaling to the Bazookas have changed post-timeskip.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

There is nothing stating that G2 and G3's scaling to the Bazookas have changed post-timeskip.

There is absolutely nothing saying that this scaling has changed post-timeskip, especially since Doflamingo was relatively unhurt by Eagle Bazooka, yet decided to block or dodge all the Gear 3rd hits.

I’m asking for scans about this stop beating around the bush

 

[Eseseso]

I’m asking for scans about this stop beating around the bush

Doflamingo tanks Luffy's Eagle Bazooka, and comments that his attacks don't have weight behind them.

Doflamingo blocks Luffy's Elephant Gun with his Spider Web.

Doflamingo dodges Luffy's Grizzly Magnum.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Doflamingo tanks Luffy's Eagle Bazooka, and comments that his attacks don't have weight behind them.

Doflamingo blocks Luffy's Elephant Gun with his Spider Web.

Doflamingo dodges Luffy's Grizzly Magnum.

And spider web > normal defense?

 

[Eminiteable]

And spider web > normal defense?

Implied to be, he attempted to use it to defend himself from the King Kong Gun.

 

[Eseseso]

And spider web > normal defense?

If it wasn't above normal defense, why wouldn't he have just taken the hit directly and directly blocked it?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

If it wasn't above normal defense, why wouldn't he have just taken the hit directly and directly blocked it?

This is a bit faulty but Emin makes a good point.

This seems fine, I’d ping some staff to actually get input that counts tho

 

[SnookB]

No I meant for post TS

Doflamingo tanks a jet bazooka and says it tickles.
But has to actively block gear 3rd elephant Gun with a spider net, implying it would've done damaged compared to a two-handed G2 attack

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Doflamingo tanks a jet bazooka and says it tickles.
But has to actively block gear 3rd elephant Gun with a spider net, implying it would've done damaged compared to a two-handed G2 attack

Eseseso already showed me the scans

 

[SnookB]

Eseseso already showed me the scans

my b I didn't scroll lower before replying

 

[Eseseso]

Bump

 

[Eseseso]

Bump

 

[Sus]

.

 

[Eseseso]

Tier changes:

G2 Luffy up to Wano (and anyone that scales to him): Goes from High 7-A to High 7-A+

DJ Sanji and Base Doflamingo: From High 7-A+ to 6-C

Monster Point Chopper (pre-Wano): From High 7-A to baseline 6-C (as he's above 1-sword Zoro who would upscale from 3.78 gigatons since he is way above Hawk Gatling)


Not too much to even change, really.

 

[SnookB]

Tier changes:

G2 Luffy up to Wano (and anyone that scales to him): Goes from High 7-A to High 7-A+

DJ Sanji and Base Doflamingo: From High 7-A+ to 6-C

Monster Point Chopper (pre-Wano): From High 7-A to baseline 6-C (as he's above 1-sword Zoro who would upscale from 3.78 gigatons since he is way above Hawk Gatling)


Not too much to even change, really.

It's very minor, but it at least seperates the forms and amps that are OBVIOUSLY superior instead of cluttering everything together

 

[Eminiteable]

Monster Point Chopper (pre-Wano): From High 7-A to baseline 6-C (as he's above 1-sword Zoro who would upscale from 3.78 gigatons since he is way above Hawk Gatling)

What puts Ittoryu Zoro above the Hawk Gatling?

 

[Eseseso]

What puts Ittoryu Zoro above the Hawk Gatling?

Wait a sec, I was mixing Ittoryu Zoro with Nitoryu, my mistake.

Regardless, even Ittoryu Zoro was superior to Monet by a very large margin and made her fear death.

 

[Eminiteable]

Wait a sec, I was mixing Ittoryu Zoro with Nitoryu, my mistake.

Regardless, even Ittoryu Zoro was superior to Monet by a very large margin and made her fear death.

Sure, although it was with a pretty serious named technique Vs the casual block he used on the random fish-man guy.

Not sure upscaling would apply for Chopper here.

 

[Eseseso]

Sure, although it was with a pretty serious named technique Vs the casual block he used on the random fish-man guy.

Not sure upscaling would apply for Chopper here.

Ok, then.

MP Chopper would be a High 7-A+ then.

 

[Nierre]

What staff would even evaluate this. KT doesn't care for OP, Damage probably doesn't care for small revisions like this..

OP CRTs are pretty much dead unless they're massive revisions

 

[SnookB]

KT doesn't care for OP

Mans got frustrated out of the verse on the wiki and I feel it 100%

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

He ain’t gone forever man just needs a vacation from OP powerscaling

 

[Sus]

Ant might give it a pass, try contacting him

 

[Sus]

This might sound stupid but wouldn't this upgrade bumb king kong gun because its gear 3+4 with both having a multiplier of x4?

 

[Romeu08]

And Bajarang gun as well possibly

 

[Damage3245]

At the moment I'm against this. I do not think we can reason out a multplier via feats like this.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Oof yeah I forgot our multiplier page got updated recently

 

[Eseseso]

At the moment I'm against this. I do not think we can reason out a multplier via feats like this.

If Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd scale above their previous form's Bazooka pre-timeskip, there's no reason this should change post-timeskip.

Nothing changes between G3 and G4, it's just for G2 and G3.

 

[SnookB]

Nothing changes between G3 and G4, it's just for G2 and G3.

That's what I thought too but ever since the haoshoku thing being treated as a + and not a multiplier things got nuts

 

[Eseseso]

That's what I thought too but ever since the haoshoku thing being treated as a + and not a multiplier things got nuts

Well this CRT is only for pre-Haoshoku post-timeskip Luffy.

So Post-Udon G2 would be 15.14 gigatons, and Post-Udon G3 is already 30.295 gigatons.

Honestly, most of the stuff wouldn't even change.

G3 for all of Luffy's pre-Haoshoku post-timeskip keys is already 4x Base Luffy or above it in Post-Kata Luffy's case.