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hearts can also erase type 1 acausals and is implied to be able to erase type 4 acausals as well
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Zeus is up against another Godslayer... | Hearts (SDBH) Vs. Zeus (GOW)
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Fairs. Fear itself should be fine and I guess the debate would be if the erasure would effect its unity with Zeus.
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imo, it would. unless i'm missing out in GOW's UES page, it's never stated that the causality and/or the being's place in time is a part of the soul (its only stated both that gods are acausal, but hearts can interact with acausals anyways; and that souls predate time, but predating something doesn't grant anything by itself. they don't have BDE, so they're still bound by time), so when hearts erases zeus, he would both erase every interaction that zeus had in the world, including the moment when fear and zeus' soul become one, and erase his fate to become fear itself
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sure, it is fear, but zeus being fear and the great evils themselves are different. one's soul became a concept as an effect of a cause, that hearts would just delete; while the others are concepts that have existed, exist, and will exist for all of time; they are concepts because they have emerged as that before time even existed
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Zeus' soul is also a concept, albeit a lesser one than the Evils. While he came into being after time began with his father, souls generally can exist without spacetime in the verse.
Also, wouldn't Fear still corrupt Hearts after that, even assuming it was separated from Zeus?
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after hearts erases zeus' history, his link with the great evils is no more, so he wouldn't be able to resurrect as a concept. now, that out of the way, are souls alone in GOW capable of regenerating a body on their own, without need of external help
zeus would be erased, so he'd still win. he'd just come out of more busted out of the fight lol
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The history of his body really means nothing here, as Zeus' mind, his soul and the Fear itself will remain intact, so he will still remember all he needs to in regards of this fight, as his souls' history wouldn't change since it is Fear itself......so that wouln't work
Zeus is Fear, therefore he isn't dead or erased
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That would only be possible if he was able to erase Zeus' soul's history, which is what Fear fused with, again, his body here is inconsequential, his soul is what he needs to erase to have anyway to bypass Fear
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Btw i don't see History erasure on Hearts' profile
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It's there.
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zeus' body isn't relevant to this discussion at all, his history is. history is literally on par with concepts, information and plot as a fundamental aspect of a character. this ain't just your average body-erasing EE. hell, hearts could just erase zeus' birth and that'll be GG, as he doesn't have a concept if the concept doesn't get to exist in the first place. GOW souls don't have the ability to restore his literal prevention for their existence
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That is the point, Hearts can't interact with Zeus' soul to be able erase ITS history with fusing with Fear, thus making it irrelevant as the one thing that matters for Fear would still be there
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IT'S NEVER STATED THAT THE HISTORY IS A PART OF THE SOUL
arale can plot hax zeus until oblivion, right? as plot and concept, unless shown otherwise, are not a part of each other, right? then, history is the exact same. it has the same interaction, it's like you're treating history as a lesser thing that concepts, info, plot, etc
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hell, even planck said in an arale vs kratos thread that her plot manipulation would screw him over (despite his conceptual invulneravility and arale not having conceptual manip herself) and kratos could do the same with her via his conceptual manip (despite him not having any plothax) 
history is in the same scope of "fundamentability" than plot and concepts, but somehow history has to interact with concepts?????????????
history is in the same scope of "fundamentability" than plot and concepts, but somehow history has to interact with concepts?????????????
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absolutely agreed with you. both can incap each other with a simple hand gesture and are willing to do so as a first move
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...........what is your point? When have i affirmed that it is?
No? Hearts simply has no way to interact with concepts at all, thus he has no way to erase them as he can't even interact with them to begin with
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hell, even planck said in an arale vs kratos thread that her plot manipulation would screw him over (despite his conceptual invulneravility and arale not having conceptual manip herself) and kratos could do the same with her via his conceptual manip (despite him not having any plothax)
history is in the same scope of "fundamentability" than plot and concepts, but somehow history has to interact with concepts?????????????
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Actually, there are no extra steps. It's literally just that.
I'm gonna vote incon on the basis that history and concepts are separate aspects with no superiority over each other.
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Fear is more fundamental/abstract than other type 1 concepts, sohell, even planck said in an arale vs kratos thread that her plot manipulation would screw him over (despite his conceptual invulneravility and arale not having conceptual manip herself) and kratos could do the same with her via his conceptual manip (despite him not having any plothax)
history is in the same scope of "fundamentability" than plot and concepts, but somehow history has to interact with concepts?????????????
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Same vote from me
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so is hope and arale managed to mess with kratos lol
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Anyway, probably my argument got lost in the river of time (comments), but my argument is, while Zeus soul and that Fear Zeus can't be interacted due to being conceptual, the thing is Hearts erase Zeus across all points in time (work on Zamasu who is both Aca 1 and 4, but type 4 look useless these day so, actually it isn't useless in DB but well...), which in turn historically, causally erase Zeus. Fear Zeus isn't really exist since the begining of time, only starting to exist after Zeus is infected with Evil released from the Pandora's box cause....well....Kratos, so when Hearts erase Zeus, he also erase the events leading to the Zeus getting infected by Evil and the creation of Fear Zeus, thus Fear Zeus is no more. So Zeus' soul will probably still there due to being concept, but he can't do anything as a soul, and Hearts can't do anything to Zeus' soul, Hearts could probably erase the timeline leading to Zeus birth like what @Spicy78 said, but that kinda way later down the line. So eh......incon or not??
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