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Zeref Time Manipulation Resistance

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But Mard's existence erasure is not that unique since other characters have the magic. So, Zeref should resist it. This makes sense why Zeref answer to Mard that he can't kill him.

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DragonEmperor23 said:
You are saying that because he wasn't immune to it he wasn't resistant to it? The only time Zeref interacted with one of his demon's magic on screen, it did not kill him aka he resisted it's effects because the effect is death.
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Larcade's magic did not cause death though. It didn't kill anyone, it's effect was simply incapacitation through pleasure. Yet this effect had affected Zeref, Zeref was not immune nor resistant to it.

Because one of Zeref's Demon's magic worked on Zeref, I have no reason to believe that the other Demon's magic would not work as well.

I'ma be frank with you:

There's no feats of Zeref resisting the other Demon's magic.

There is no proof that Zeref is resistant to them because of the lack of feats.

Larcard's ability worked on Zeref, so no reason to not believe the other's would work as well.

I'm honestly never going to agree with Zeref being resistant due to the lack of feats, the lack of proof of resistance and the fact that Larcade's worked on Zeref.
 
>Larcade's magic did not cause death though. It didn't kill anyone, it's effect was simply incapacitation through pleasure.

> Pleasure: A type of magic which allows the user to cast "pleasure and pain" on their target. It affects those who have tasted the "forbidden" pleasures in life and such people cannot escape this magic's effects. Those struck with this magic are afflicted with such intense pleasure as to cause pain and eventually, their souls leave their bodies. The magic can be cast on only single or multiple targets in the immediate vicinity of the user or can be cast on an entire battlefield to affect hundreds or potentially thousands of targets. Those who do not meet the requirements of this magic can still be affected. The user creates tentacles seemingly made of tangible light which grab the target and overload their senses. The targets are overcome with pleasure so great as to be in pain and their souls eventually leave their bodies.
 
So, explain why did Zeref considered every demon (which were meant to kill him) a failure.

Explain why does he says he has tried everything to kill himself if he hasn't even tried the curses of the demons he created.

And yes, having a small headache is resisting a magic that should have brought you to your feets and, well, you saw it.
 
No one is claiming immunities but resistances, if some fairy tail members much weaker and fodder to Zeref who the intent of suicide can. Also, these abilities, are not that uniques.

Moreover, You can't discount the fact that Zeref is different since he try to kill/incapacited himself but all the means but never succeded even to the point of calling all if his demons' failure which include the like E.N.D.
 
I was just gonna post that when i read what he said, his pleasure magic causes peoples souls to leave their bodies. This is a killing magic, and zeref resisted it and was doing pretty find. He wasn't having any problem like the other people who were effected by the same magic, so he should get resistence to pleasure magic also.
 
Tri, I would agree but Zeref claimed to have tried everything for suicide which can't be discounted though. Besides, he is a magic genius who invented many forms of magic even just kill/incap him and always failed to do.
 
Just want to point out that, Larcade uses Magic, while the Demons use Curses, as well Bloodman who has all the curses, also hasn't killed Zeref, so he's a failure as well, plus None of them have managed to kill him via any means, and the Pain Manipulation does hurt
 
None of Them Ever Attempted to Kill him Couldnt even Find him its headcannon to say Bloodman Couldnt kill Zeref because its never implied he tried to
 
Shabaz88 said:
So zeref wouldnt have known about Momento mori? because he states none of them Could have Killed him
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Again, that forms of magic, erasure existence, is not that unique even Brain (Zero) have it. Plus Zeref stated to try everything for suicide which would include this too.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
>Larcade's magic did not cause death though. It didn't kill anyone, it's effect was simply incapacitation through pleasure.
> Pleasure: A type of magic which allows the user to cast "pleasure and pain" on their target. It affects those who have tasted the "forbidden" pleasures in life and such people cannot escape this magic's effects. Those struck with this magic are afflicted with such intense pleasure as to cause pain and eventually, their souls leave their bodies. The magic can be cast on only single or multiple targets in the immediate vicinity of the user or can be cast on an entire battlefield to affect hundreds or potentially thousands of targets. Those who do not meet the requirements of this magic can still be affected. The user creates tentacles seemingly made of tangible light which grab the target and overload their senses. The targets are overcome with pleasure so great as to be in pain and their souls eventually leave their bodies.
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So Lacarde's magic also have soul manipulation, neat! An upgrade is needed.
 
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----> Zeref Created the demons for the sole purpose of killing him. He should get resistances to their hax because as he says right here, none of them could kill him.
 
Bloodman is just a copy of the nine demon gates, what is canon is the fact that the nine demon gate was created to kill zeref and none of them was able to kill him. In other words, none of their abilities were able to kill him, so he most have resisted them.

If you say that the nine demon gate did not try to kill him, then you need to bring a proof. We're atlest using the canon meterial to argue, what are you using?.
 
DragonEmporor23, awesome findings; now we have more evidences for the resistances.
 
Possible Final Proposal (written just in case)

Also to:

Evidences:
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
Except there is no feat to even say so that Zeref is resistant. We clearly see Zeref affected by Larcarde's magic, there is no reason to not believe he would be affected by the magic of the other Demon's.
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After discussion, we found that Zeref still resisted it. furthermore, for those affected their soul is supposed to leave their body, Zeref's soul didn't.
 
Okay he created can you prove any demon gate Used thier ability to try and kill zeref, Zeref states none of them were able to kill him was because they no longer exist
 
I still disagree with Zeref resisting abilities that aren't meant to kill (Like th AP based/can be countered with immortality and regen ones)
 
Shabaz88 said:
Okay he created can you prove any demon gate Used thier ability to try and kill zeref, Zeref states none of them were able to kill him was because they no longer exist
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We got numerous statements and evidencs where try all form of suicided and failed which includes maany of the demon's abilities ; also, Zeref even stating the demos were failures or fail to kill. Are you going to ignored the evidences?
 
@Shabaz88

Dude you need to read the thread a little bit more, we're talking about the nine demon gates the moment they were created. It would be at that time that they will try to kill him, because he will ask them to do so.

But Zeref has already told us in the manga that none of the nine demon gates were able to kill him, meaning that they at some point tried to kill him. Of course zeref will let them try and kill him, but the moment he found that none of them could kill him he was disappointed with them and left them.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
I still disagree with Zeref resisting abilities that aren't meant to kill (Like th AP based/can be countered with immortality and regen ones)
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The kill/incapacited got more evidences than you think.

Tri. If not, Zeref would have succecced.

Numerous characters in the series proved that these abilities can be resisted, that would be evidence for Zeref' so why not take into account Zeref's statement since he tries everything.

In fact, the only magic that really works is sealing work and nothing else.

Even in the end, Natsu could not defeat him and Zeref acknowledged that he would regen after being defeated and despite Natsu have regen nullification.

Also, for the resistance,

there is resistance for all form of abilities on others' profile such as ap/elemental based abilities, why can't Zeref have them on his profile if he can resist or have numerous supporting evidences?
 
Possible Final Proposal (written just in case)

Also to, since he resisted their abilities (they can't kill him.)

Evidences:
 
  • Kyôka (Fairy Tail)'s Pain Manipulation and Perception Manipulation which can turn off or amplify all the senses - ignore durability - likely, common it is since similar to Lacarde's curse/magic which Zeref resisted and which also incapacitated many. Unless her magic can cause death from pain, Zeref can just stay there and do nothing while suffering. If it doesn't cause death, we can't be sure Zeref resists it.
  • Seilah's Mind Manipulation: Macro (Controlling humans, objects, and corpses, if the target in question is genuinely sentient, it does not control their feelings and thoughts) - not rare even Zash Caine who is canon used it. Seilah takes control of Zeref's mind. And...? She can't kill people with mind manip
  • Torafuzar's Water Manipulation, and Limited Poison Manipulation - Not sure if regen mid negated water manipulation. Zeref doesn't need a demon to drown (immortality type 1 already prevents the user from dying this way iirc and his regen is more than enough to regenerate any damage done by lack of oxygen). Poison can be resisted either via immortality or via regen.
  • Tempester's Weather Manipulation (Wind, Fire, Air, Lightning) - can also be negated by regen though. Problem: these are tier 7 attacks. Zeref is High 6-C. A High 6-C will always resist an attack from a tier 7, the element doesn't matter.
  • Keyes's Magic Nullification - also common since even Yuka Suzuki have it - likely since it is a common form of magic. Magic null wouldn't affect the curse either way. Power null can't kill.
  • Jackal's Explosion Manipulation - can also be negated by regen though. Regen GG
 
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