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Zaraki VS Zeref

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zeinx said:
I told you that Zeref was resistant to the spells you mentioned, but you insist on not understanding. Zeref is definitely better than Zaraki, it shows in things like hax and ap superiority
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No.
No, you definitely didn't mention anything related to this, you scanned one in a different language, not English, and then, not content with that, you left a link to a scene from the anime that doesn't even have subtitles.

This is... ironic
 
Spectra_Schiffer said:
Hm? Does this guy really believe that Infinite stamina = Infinite power output? Then the situation is worse. And you can't even h3a Zeref with wank because the things you mentioned are completely IRELEVANT. Also, please explain the meaning of the scan you sent. Zeref puts on a cool stance and you claim that this hax can be used at any time? Also, you should stop saying "Come to Discord" like the kids who are Tiktok users. It makes sense to continue the public debate, and I don't discuss Tiering much on platforms like Discord anymore anyway. Anyway, back to the topic, what do you think about Mashmyre getting beaten by Shinra even though he has 5b ap in the 3d plane? Anyway, looking at your arguments in general, since Infinite Stamina =/= Infinite power output, the encounter is based on Domination and not Killing, and your h3a scale is literally "shattered" here, I see a definite Zaraki victory in this fight unless you offer resistance to Zaraki's Wincons .
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Spectra_Schiffer said:
Hm? Does this guy really believe that Infinite stamina = Infinite power output? Then the situation is worse. And you can't even h3a Zeref with wank because the things you mentioned are completely IRELEVANT. Also, please explain the meaning of the scan you sent. Zeref puts on a cool stance and you claim that this hax can be used at any time? Also, you should stop saying "Come to Discord" like the kids who are Tiktok users. It makes sense to continue the public debate, and I don't discuss Tiering much on platforms like Discord anymore anyway. Anyway, back to the topic, what do you think about Mashmyre getting beaten by Shinra even though he has 5b ap in the 3d plane? Anyway, looking at your arguments in general, since Infinite Stamina =/= Infinite power output, the encounter is based on Domination and not Killing, and your h3a scale is literally "shattered" here, I see a definite Zaraki victory in this fight unless you offer resistance to Zaraki's Wincons .
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Spectra_Schiffer said:
Hm? Does this guy really believe that Infinite stamina = Infinite power output? Then the situation is worse. And you can't even h3a Zeref with wank because the things you mentioned are completely IRELEVANT. Also, please explain the meaning of the scan you sent. Zeref puts on a cool stance and you claim that this hax can be used at any time? Also, you should stop saying "Come to Discord" like the kids who are Tiktok users. It makes sense to continue the public debate, and I don't discuss Tiering much on platforms like Discord anymore anyway. Anyway, back to the topic, what do you think about Mashmyre getting beaten by Shinra even though he has 5b ap in the 3d plane? Anyway, looking at your arguments in general, since Infinite Stamina =/= Infinite power output, the encounter is based on Domination and not Killing, and your h3a scale is literally "shattered" here, I see a definite Zaraki victory in this fight unless you offer resistance to Zaraki's Wincons .
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If you look carefully at the photo I posted, you can see that it is output, and if you read the explanation I wrote, you can understand the 100% issue thoroughly. The stamina issue is purely for support purposes.
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zeinx said:
If you look carefully at the photo I posted, you can see that it is output, and if you read the explanation I wrote, you can understand the 100% issue thoroughly. The stamina issue is purely for support purposes.
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SUPPOSE A WIZARD BEGINS BATTLE AT 100% STRENGTH
EVERY TIME HE USES MAGIC, IT CONSUMES HIS MAGIC POWER, AND THAT STRENGTH GRADUALLY D WIND LES
IN THAT RESPECT. OUR STRENGTH DOES NOT DETE- RIORATE!
AH! THAT'S WHY WE CAN ALWAYS FIGHT AT 100%

If you present something in the nature of an Argument for Rebunk, I'll probably respond.
 
Spectra_Schiffer said:
SUPPOSE A WIZARD BEGINS BATTLE AT 100% STRENGTH
EVERY TIME HE USES MAGIC, IT CONSUMES HIS MAGIC POWER, AND THAT STRENGTH GRADUALLY D WIND LES
IN THAT RESPECT. OUR STRENGTH DOES NOT DETE- RIORATE!
AH! THAT'S WHY WE CAN ALWAYS FIGHT AT 100%

If you present something in the nature of an Argument for Rebunk, I'll probably respond.
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yes, as it is mentioned in the panel EVERY TIME HE USES MAGIC, IT CONSUMES HIS MAGIC POWER, AND THAT STRENGTH GRADUALLY D WIND LES, that is, wizards start the battle with 100% power, but this power decreases with time, but someone with infinite magic power constantly fights at 100% power and this proves the infinite power output
 
Spectra_Schiffer said:
Hm? Does this guy really believe that Infinite stamina = Infinite power output? Then the situation is worse. And you can't even h3a Zeref with wank because the things you mentioned are completely IRELEVANT. Also, please explain the meaning of the scan you sent. Zeref puts on a cool stance and you claim that this hax can be used at any time? Also, you should stop saying "Come to Discord" like the kids who are Tiktok users. It makes sense to continue the public debate, and I don't discuss Tiering much on platforms like Discord anymore anyway. Anyway, back to the topic, what do you think about Mashmyre getting beaten by Shinra even though he has 5b ap in the 3d plane? Anyway, looking at your arguments in general, since Infinite Stamina =/= Infinite power output, the encounter is based on Domination and not Killing, and your h3a scale is literally "shattered" here, I see a definite Zaraki victory in this fight unless you offer resistance to Zaraki's Wincons .
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I think it would be much more logical to discuss on discord because the discussion here does not seem to go anywhere. and we cannot defend what we want to defend here because the honor is limited to 5a here.
 
Chardee.wl said:
yes, as it is mentioned in the panel EVERY TIME HE USES MAGIC, IT CONSUMES HIS MAGIC POWER, AND THAT STRENGTH GRADUALLY D WIND LES, that is, wizards start the battle with 100% power, but this power decreases with time, but someone with infinite magic power constantly fights at 100% power and this proves the infinite power output
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No, it is completely irrelevant. A character can output power with all his power, but you are distorting the statement by claiming that this is related to stamina.
Chardee.wl said:
I think it would be much more logical to discuss on discord because the discussion here does not seem to go anywhere. and we cannot defend what we want to defend here because the honor is limited to 5a here.
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As I said, I will probably use Discord or other platforms just to chat for a long time. That's why I refuse. Since you admitted to having difficulty defending Zeref, who is limited to 5A, I assume you accept Zaraki's superiority.
 
Spectra_Schiffer said:
No, it is completely irrelevant. A character can output power with all his power, but you are distorting the statement by claiming that this is related to stamina.
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where did I say there is infinite stamina?infinite stamina is already accepted in your profile, what we are defending is that zeref h3a has an ap
Spectra_Schiffer said:
As I said, I will probably use Discord or other platforms just to chat for a long time. That's why I refuse. Since you admitted to having difficulty defending Zeref, who is limited to 5A, I assume you accept Zaraki's superiority.
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no maybe I was going to scale it up or give it a superior speed but I can't do that here and I don't understand why you can't discuss it when using it for chat, it's not going to be any different from what's happening here anyway
 
Chardee.wl said:
zeref there are many things that are not attached to your profile so I invite you to discuss on discord.but some bleach fans seem to be scared lmao
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Your unfounded claims about me are unimportant at the moment, this discussion is over for me since you accept that Zaraki is superior in current profiles.
 
Spectra_Schiffer said:
Your unfounded claims about me are unimportant at the moment, this discussion is over for me since you accept that Zaraki is superior in current profiles.
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no I didn't agree I just said that it will be more difficult if you think it is zeref 5a we can discuss it on discord because I said I will scale it to a higher tier I didn't say that zeref lost here
 
Chardee.wl said:
no I didn't agree I just said that it will be more difficult if you think it is zeref 5a we can discuss it on discord because I said I will scale it to a higher tier I didn't say that zeref lost here
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You don't need to say that Zeref was defeated.
 
Spectra_Schiffer said:
You don't need to say that Zeref was defeated.
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Yes, because Zeref is not defeated, he has the upper hand with his passives. Sc or other passives do not work because if you look at Zeref's profile, he has resistance to things like fear, paralysis, etc. Zeref will have the upper hand.

Worst case scenario = you have to buy it. Because you couldn't answer things like passive absorption space and time manip (what I said is mentioned in the profile)
 
Excel616 said:
Discord or not if you think anything is missing from Zeref profile create a crt.
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I think there are more than 20 things missing from Zeref's profile. If you are interested in Zeref, I would like to talk to you privately on discord.
 
zeinx said:
Yes, because Zeref is not defeated, he has the upper hand with his passives. Sc or other passives do not work because if you look at Zeref's profile, he has resistance to things like fear, paralysis, etc. Zeref will have the upper hand.

Worst case scenario = you have to buy it. Because you couldn't answer things like passive absorption space and time manip (what I said is mentioned in the profile)
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No. How come Zeref's profile has resistance to paralysis MP, fear MP, and other things?

All Mages passively absorb Ethernano from the atmosphere to regenerate their Magic

Are you seriously presenting this regeneration related thing as wincon? Bad. Zeref will get crushed badly by passive haxes
 
Chardee.wl said:
Are you kidding me? Zaraki is resistant to everything you have presented for Zaraki and you still haven't proved to me how Zaraki will resist the manipulation of life and death.
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It has no resistance to anything and the other haxes you mentioned are not passive.
 
zeinx said:
I think there are more than 20 things missing from Zeref's profile. If you are interested in Zeref, I would like to talk to you privately on discord.
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We can talk using this forum conversation. Discord, Facebook etc are off limits for me from now till December
 
Chardee.wl said:
zeref absorbs magic power with etharnano and magic power = life energy so zeref will passively absorb zaraki's energy

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Bro, are you serious? Are you really aware that you claim to be able to absorb a spirit-based energy and an energy that currently has a higher layer in from himself? I would also like to point out that even during this absorption, Zaraki will continue to secrete reiatsu. Please speak knowing what you are offering
 
Chardee.wl said:
zeref absorbs magic power with etharnano and magic power = life energy so zeref will passively absorb zaraki's energy

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What's this? I wonder when you will start hosting panels from the manga? And you state the feature in a way that is completely unrelated to what's on your profile on the wiki. For example "all Mages passively absorb Ethernano from the atmosphere to regenerate their Magic" This expression exists for Hax, and it is emphasized in his profile that it can be used on issues such as regeneration. You did the same with Zeref's Time MP and infinite stamina. Be realistic, you need to compare characters directly in this wiki instead of using wank or multiplying expressions.
 
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Additionally, I agree with Valeska on this, even if we accept the nonsense about absorbing her power, it's still Sc GG
 
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