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Pretty much.
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Zamasu and his bad AE
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Just wanted to say that IZ is described as an "ethereal form" in the dub, so we do have some information on his nature.
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I didn't understand bro
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Yes, in the anime in the English dub version it is referring to it as an idea of the concept of order and justice, I posted it in my comment above, but all quotes and guides agree with it being a concept
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Yes we have pretty much enough explaination over what Zamasu is but for being concept, there must be a good enough explaination on its relation to the object which are bounds to it.... Which there is none.
NiniAtheist2005
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Why don't you think he can become both, I think it's possible because he has 2 different ideals, even Gowasu says the same, which is to erase the entire mortal universe (trying to be the Universe) and put the new order (trying to be justice and order itself)
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No, he's not the concept. he never became justice in a literal sense, it was meant metaphorically.
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It's not hyperbole, it's been discussed several times and I accept that it's not a hyperbolic quote, so stop mentioning it.
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Because the concept is stretched and has no explanation regarding it's nature to grant it. We don't grant direct mention of concept being concept in literal sense unless explaination is present. Here on the other hand we are open for interpretation.
Hellscream
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It is, i'll keep mentioning it, since that's how it was used. He's not justice in a literal sense, he doesn't embody the concept.
You literally need a specific statement of literally embodying a concept, in order for it to pass. Anything else is just hyperbole
By going through the other thread no clue how it got accepted.
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So? Context exists.
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Uh... The erasure he's regenerating from is already accepted.
Hellscream
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You need to regen from information type 2, or concepts in order to get HGR
Regen from your mind is Mid-godly.
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I'm talking about History/Timeline EE. Which is what happens in SDBH.
Hence why i proposed the justification change.
NiniAtheist2005
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Although there is little blunty explanation, but it is still possible to see what Zamasu manifests, proving his ideal and ultimately becoming himself, a long chain of development that has manifested throughout. During the saga, I think it quite obvious
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I don't see him doing it for the part 1 to grant it. How it is dependent over him being concept or not?
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We are stretching things for something that in the end doesn't going to be accepted tbh.
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Regeneration [High-Godly] & Immortality [Types 1, 2, 3 & 4] (Came back[1] after being erased[2] as Infinite Zamasu - the abstract ideas/concepts of order and justice of the universe[3][4][5][2], by Zen'ō along with the timeline. Instantly regenerated his body after Jiren completely obliterated him, and stated that he will continuously rehabilitate no matter what happens to him, stated by narrator to be an immortal god. Should be similar to his DBS counterpart, and so, he should be able to replicate his feat of turning into Infinite Zamasu but on a much larger scale)
That does not sound like history erasure lol.
That does not sound like history erasure lol.
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I literally proposed a justification change, because his current one doesn't reflect that.
Can you please read my comment?
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Where was history erasure accepted, btw?
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why does the dub matter?
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Is it SDBH one? Because I don't see it in anime profile one.
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It does? Unless proven otherwise.
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Yes.
NiniAtheist2005
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How do you know? The "concept" appearing in a verse that tends to be martial arts and fighting seems a bit difficult. It was also mentioned in the CRT that IZ became the concept, it was eventually accepted. Magical can be anywhere even on this forum
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Timeline EE and history EE Don't differ that much.
Anyways, U7 in DBH has its own history (just like almost everything else) and Zenō erased it. So i guess i will just go and grab the scan.
Anyways, U7 in DBH has its own history (just like almost everything else) and Zenō erased it. So i guess i will just go and grab the scan.
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Then that's something that is not related to the OP, SDBH and anime one are different, not to mention that it being contradiction in anime doesn't mean it being contradiction in SDBH. If anyone want to change it or anything that would need a another thread as it highly depends on justifications and other things to be discussed properly. This thread is pretty much concluded over only removing justification of canon one (most staff already agreed so discussing these things here would cause other things to be accepted as well w/o it being in the OP, so I'll suggest to not discuss it here). So it's finished.
Hellscream
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Does the erasure of a single timeline count as complete history erasure?
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I dunno, because you get that only if said explicitly iirc.
Otherwise every Tier 2 destruction needs High Godly to recover from.
Otherwise every Tier 2 destruction needs High Godly to recover from.
Hellscream
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Yeah, seems iffy to me
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I suggest to conclude this thread here for just the concept description of canon one to be removed as it has been pretty much accepted. It'll be unfair if other things get into a discussion and get accepted w/o everyone having their parts to explain and we wouldn't know if staff members are looking at OP or other things related in the thread.
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Ig so...
But this is still a popular verse, so we should wait a bit more.
After that we apply this, you can keep talking about DBH one in another.
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I honestly think the DBX/DBH Zamasu regeneration thing should be left to another CRT. Because if this continues, it will probably extend too long and take up too many pages.
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a dub has no priority over the original material
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Original is same unless proven otherwise.
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no? why would that be the assumption? we always look the original material
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That's always has been a assumption here.
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since when?
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