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Zamasu and his bad AE

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Y'all are seriously so desperate to use dub now?

It's the equivalent of saying "let's use the spanish localization for Pokémon because it does not contradict anything".

There's a reason why upgrades/downgrades based on JP version exist lol.
 
The previous thread focused on the Japanese text of images from the Blu-ray Artbook, which was readily available. This thread focuses on the original Japanese dialogue of the anime.

Also, High-Godly Regeneration requires that the character can regenerate from the destruction of their body, mind, soul, and "at least one even more fundamental aspect of a character's existence, such as their place in the narrative, their entire history, or the [underlying information] or concept(s) ... needed for them to exist", and Zamasu was explicitly stated to have a place in history after being erased by Zen-Oh.
 
The previous thread focused on the Japanese text of images from the Blu-ray Artbook, which was readily available. This thread focuses on the original Japanese dialogue of the anime.
plus the current justification uses a brazilian translation as a justification for conceptual existance

Also, High-Godly Regeneration requires that the character can regenerate from the destruction of their body, mind, soul, and "at least one even more fundamental aspect of a character's existence, such as their place in the narrative, their entire history, or the [underlying information] or concept(s) ... needed for them to exist", and Zamasu was explicitly stated to have a place in history after being erased by Zen-Oh.
if i remember correctly one of the reason it was removed earlier was because people still remembered zamasu therefore he still existed historically for people to remember him
 
When he becomes Infinite Zamasu

also you seem to be ignoring it so ima just copy and paste what it says
As you can see, the scene above is the Future Trunks/Goku Black Saga from DBS adapted into Xenoverse's story, with SSR Goku Black and then Fused Zamasu, and later Infinite Zamasu who then even breached into the Time Nest which is in this scan: https://imgur.com/a/rbndGkv This scan supports all the above scans about Infinite Zamasu being an abstract existence, the very ideas/concepts of justice and order of the universe itself
Dragon Ball (Game) Xenoverse takes this even further, as Fu, one of the smartest characters in the verse literally states that Ideals and Justice are too Abstract, which is directly referring to Infinite Zamasu As you can see, the scene above is the Future Trunks/Goku Black Saga from DBS adapted into Xenoverse's story, with SSR Goku Black and then Fused Zamasu, and later Infinite Zamasu who then even breached into the Time Nest which is in this scan: https://imgur.com/a/rbndGkv
???

why the hell would him going to the time nest equal him having abstract existence? that's just range? where is the scan that says that he became his idea of justice

i don't care if he was referring to zamasu or not, cuz what matters is there being an actual statement of zamasu being his idea of justice, not "him being in the time nest" nor "ideals and justice being abstract", the former is just range and the latter is at best building up his AE, but where is the scan regarding him actually having his AE, fu doesn't say zamasu became that anyway, so if that's all that statament has, it can just be referring to zamasu's ideals and justice and not what he became, cuz neither the scans posted actually say what he became either
 
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Okay, so we got 4 staff approval and 1 neutral as for now:

Ignoring how the brazillian translation of all things was used for a japanese series, which in of itself is dumb, there's also some mistranslation on the japanese kanji here.

念 Means idea, attention, sense, etc. Concept is a lesser meaning of this, and the most blatant wording of concept in japanese is 概念

Furthermore in this text here they use this kanji when talking about Zamasu's essence その念, which translates to thought/mind. Nothing about this is conceptual so this would downgrade the abstract existence from conceptual to just being based on the mind.

So yeah I agree with this being applied.
I agree with the OP.
I am neutral, I think it really depends on the interpretation of the translation. But Viethai has generally tend to be reliable iirc.
OP makes sense. I agree.

Can a good soul unlock this page then?

So I'll apply the CRT.
 
Xenoverse has entirely different justifications for their HG
isn't the high godly stuff only accepted because of the conceptual stuff? i remember that the history erasure was removed because of history erasure not being enough in another thread about it
 
isn't the high godly stuff only accepted because of the conceptual stuff? i remember that the history erasure was removed because of history erasure not being enough in another thread about it
We can't be sure w/o hearing all the arguements of both side about if it stays or not. So, it can or should be taken to another thread.
 
???

why the hell would him going to the time nest equal him having abstract existence? that's just range? where is the scan that says that he became his idea of justice

i don't care if he was referring to zamasu or not, cuz what matters is there being an actual statement of zamasu being his idea of justice, not "him being in the time nest" nor "ideals and justice being abstract", the former is just range and the latter is at best building up his AE, but where is the scan regarding him actually having his AE, fu doesn't say zamasu became that anyway, so if that's all that statament has, it can just be referring to zamasu's ideals and justice and not what he became, cuz neither the scans posted actually say what he became either
Because the statement is referring to Infinite Zamasu and Fu’s statement matches what Zamasu is but anyways 4 staff agree so Idrc about arguing plus Heroes is gonna be in a different thread so no point
 
I've applied some CRTs even before the 48 hrs SOMETOMES so heh
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Okay, so we got 4 staff approval and 1 neutral as for now:






Can a good soul unlock this page then?

So I'll apply the CRT.
I don't know where you got these 4 staff from,it was only 3, imagination tends to go to the head quickly
@godofice I'm fine with Vietthai commenting before we come to a conclusion, though the scan you posted doesn't exactly translates to concept since again, Abstract Existence through thoughts or mind also qualifies, not just concept.
Don't be in a hurry, my little friend, we have to wait for the @Vietthai96 to refute you, just wait!
 
I don't know where you got these 4 staff from,it was only 3, imagination tends to go to the head quickly

Don't be in a hurry, my little friend, we have to wait for the @Vietthai96 to refute you, just wait!
Vietthai is probably asleep or after work now but a couple hours I saw him online I was wondering if he would respond
@StrymULTRA just wait for a day for Vietthai to comment, if he doesn't comment then we can apply the changes, no need to rush it.
fair enough
 
I don't know where you got these 4 staff from,it was only 3, imagination tends to go to the head quickly

Don't be in a hurry, my little friend, we have to wait for the @Vietthai96 to refute you, just wait!
why the passive agressive tone? he got confused about the number, when are speaking assuming he is doing it on purpose? relax dude
 
why the passive agressive tone? he got confused about the number, when are speaking assuming he is doing it on purpose? relax dude
I'm not aggressive at all, you could look at the comments above that he was with me, I'm being very respectful that I'm even treating him like a little friend, is there anything better?

But anyway, wait @Vietthai96
 
Because the statement is referring to Infinite Zamasu and Fu’s statement matches what Zamasu is but anyways 4 staff agree so Idrc about arguing plus Heroes is gonna be in a different thread so no point
doesn't matter what is referring to, if it is even referring to cuz i see no indication there, if zamasu is never said to be those things but okay then
 
plus the current justification uses a brazilian translation as a justification for conceptual existance.
The Brazilian translation is for reference only and is for supporting purposes only
The core proof is still The Kanji "念", which means both ideas and thoughts
I don't know how you guys think it's just Zamasu's thoughts
 
doesn't matter what is referring to, if it is even referring to cuz i see no indication there, if zamasu is never said to be those things but okay then
The indicator is that it’s in the goku black scenery and it switches over to infinite Zamasu he’s mentioning abstraction and Justice because of Zamasu
The Brazilian translation is for reference only and is for supporting purposes only
The core proof is still The Kanji "念", which means both ideas and thoughts
I don't know how you guys think it's just Zamasu's thoughts
apparently being the embodiment of the idea of Justice isn’t conceptual anymore
 
The indicator is that it’s in the goku black scenery and it switches over to infinite Zamasu he’s mentioning abstraction and Justice because of Zamasu
that is just fu talking about general justice and how abstract all of that is to him, nothing connects it to zamasu becoming these concepts
 
So you’re saying Fu mentioned it for no reason? And was just randomly saying stuff?
no? i said that it was just Fu ranging about how these things are too abstract for his liking and that nothing on it connects to zamasu becoming the concepts themselves
 
The indicator is that it’s in the goku black scenery and it switches over to infinite Zamasu he’s mentioning abstraction and Justice because of Zamasu
that is not a indicator that zamasu became those things, at best it is a indicator that fu doesn't care about those things that matter for zamasu, considering he went on wanting just data.

i seriously don't get how you guys are interpretenting this as zamasu being those two things when nothing in the scene even implies such meaning
 
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