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Agree with the AE downgrade. The proper japanese translations don't seem to suggest he's becoming an actual idea or concept, but rather his own ideal version of "justice" or "order".
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Zamasu and his bad AE
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@StrymULTRA I was talking to Luffy with his points, not you.
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if HEROES described it as a concept in the japanese text, then yeah it can stay if there are scans on it
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https://imgur.io/T80m6qQ Heroes Zamasu is ok
Edit: I suggest waiting for vietthai too before we apply changes since he could have some arguments
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Can you show it?
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Our friend above showed
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it says stuff about "all the above scans" but it seems to have only one scan though, is there a scan about it saying that zamasu became those things? or a issue on my end with imgur?
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Based on this and other things mentioned in the OP, I agree with the thread.
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Well the anime says he becomes justice and order and heroes confirms that but we can’t backscale but the scan works for heroes
Edit: it gives additional scans in the description of the imgur to prove its referring to Zamasu
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How does that proof the concept part?
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the scan only really works if zamasu actually became those things in the game, i have no idea how we treat the anime though but if we treat it separately, then we need scans of zamasu being those things in the game, not those things being abstract
also i saw those, they only show that zamasu being erased is part of history, if he comes back from that, sure i guess it can be history high godly if the history is erased, if not i guess acausality,, but nothing regarding his AE
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I don't think i follow? What is the proof for the concept part? What is the kanji used?
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Fu is just talking about how abstract it is and not what the literal concept is. I don't see anything here that makes Infinite Zamasu have Conceptual AE.
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If he becomes the idea of justice that’s the concept of justice
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Thank you for being able to wait bro!
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yes but where does he actually become the idea of justice? that's what seems to be missing here
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As explained above it doesn't prove conceptual existance, just abstratct existance through thoughts or mind, "idea" doesn't prove concept
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A Concept is an idea
Ideals and justice are too abstract but if someone can find the original Japanese it’d be good
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But an idea doesn't need to be an concept
hence the abstract existance, just not conceptual
Let us wait then
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I have the japanese scan of the anime, I found it somewhere, so I don't know if it's really true
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that doesn't answer my question though, i mean't where is the scan where heroes zamasu actually became the idea of justice and stuff, those things being abstract is one thing, the issue is zmaasu actually becoming them in the game
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It's on Xenoverse 2, bro, not on DBH, but now the @Vietthai96 explain to us
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It’s in the Imgur but here https://imgur.io/a/rbndGkv
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So this CRT would result in
Downgrade of AE type 1 for Zamasu and Downgrade of NPI for anyone who has hit him
Downgrade of High Godly Regen to Mid Godly and Downgrade of High Godly Regen Negation to mid godly negation
Downgrade of AE type 1 for Zamasu and Downgrade of NPI for anyone who has hit him
Downgrade of High Godly Regen to Mid Godly and Downgrade of High Godly Regen Negation to mid godly negation
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No, an concept is an idea, but an idea is not inherently an concept
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How does that prove anything?
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Do you have a deeper delineation for that? The definition of concept is talking about ideas. & abstract also talks about ideas. How is it not?
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Take it easy, he's just like that our friend lol
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The definition of an concept is talking about ideas, hence why i said that an concept is an idea, and the abstrat part i also aknoledged, but being abstract doesn't inherently mean concept either
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Theres places that have the definition of idea talking about concepts or conceptions. Plus you didn't really explain how it isn't for those words, they all connect afterall. This is some non corporeal entity that fused with the universe were talking about. Not transmission between neurons. IZ existence would be more of abstract idea, or concept since that's what they semanticly connect to regardless.
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Well, i am going by what the wiki defines as ideas and concepts as explained by the glass man up above, if you a more detailed answer then ask him
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are you sure those are the correct scans, nowhere does it mention ideals or justice, it is just zamasu appearing in the time nest and chronoa saying him being erased is part of history and him being gone
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Okay I'll wait for his response then. Although I did look up the Kanji he mentioned that more means concept. & that mentioned ideas too.
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At the very beginning of the written scan "ideals"
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1. that is not the scan for the reply
2. i already said this 3 times, this scans just talks about ideals and justice being abstract, i am asking for the scans where HEROES zamasu is said to be justice itself
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