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Agree with the AE downgrade. The proper japanese translations don't seem to suggest he's becoming an actual idea or concept, but rather his own ideal version of "justice" or "order".
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if HEROES described it as a concept in the japanese text, then yeah it can stay if there are scans on itYes, it is described to be a la concept
https://imgur.io/T80m6qQ Heroes Zamasu is ok@Adem_Warlock69 it changes the abstract existence to be weaker than what it currently is, plus the high godly regen would be downgraded to mid godly if the only evidence for high godly was the fact that IZ is a concept.
Can you show it?Yes, it is described to be a la concept
Our friend above showedCan you show it?
it says stuff about "all the above scans" but it seems to have only one scan though, is there a scan about it saying that zamasu became those things? or a issue on my end with imgur?https://imgur.io/T80m6qQ Heroes Zamasu is ok
Edit: I suggest waiting for vietthai too before we apply changes since he could have some arguments
Based on this and other things mentioned in the OP, I agree with the thread.No kanji for concept = opinion invalid.
Well the anime says he becomes justice and order and heroes confirms that but we can’t backscale but the scan works for heroesit says stuff about "all the above scans" but it seems to have only one scan though, is there a scan about it saying that zamasu became those things? or a issue on my end with imgur?
How does that proof the concept part?https://imgur.io/T80m6qQ Heroes Zamasu is ok
Edit: I suggest waiting for vietthai too before we apply changes since he could have some arguments
the scan only really works if zamasu actually became those things in the game, i have no idea how we treat the anime though but if we treat it separately, then we need scans of zamasu being those things in the game, not those things being abstractWell the anime says he becomes justice and order and heroes confirms that but we can’t backscale but the scan works for heroes
Edit: it gives additional scans in the description of the imgur to prove its referring to Zamasu
I don't think i follow? What is the proof for the concept part? What is the kanji used?Well the anime says he becomes justice and order and heroes confirms that but we can’t backscale but the scan works for heroes
Edit: it gives additional scans in the description of the imgur to prove its referring to Zamasu
Fu is just talking about how abstract it is and not what the literal concept is. I don't see anything here that makes Infinite Zamasu have Conceptual AE.https://imgur.io/T80m6qQ Heroes Zamasu is ok
Edit: I suggest waiting for vietthai too before we apply changes since he could have some arguments
If he becomes the idea of justice that’s the concept of justiceHow does that proof the concept part?
Thank you for being able to wait bro!@godofice I'm fine with Vietthai commenting before we come to a conclusion, though the scan you posted doesn't exactly translates to concept since again, Abstract Existence through thoughts or mind also qualifies, not just concept.
yes but where does he actually become the idea of justice? that's what seems to be missing hereIf he becomes the idea of justice that’s the concept of justice
As explained above it doesn't prove conceptual existance, just abstratct existance through thoughts or mind, "idea" doesn't prove conceptIf he becomes the idea of justice that’s the concept of justice
A Concept is an ideaAs explained above it doesn't prove conceptual existance, just abstratct existance through thoughts or mind, "idea" doesn't prove concept
Ideals and justice are too abstract but if someone can find the original Japanese it’d be goodyes but where does he actually become the idea of justice? that's what seems to be missing here
But an idea doesn't need to be an conceptA Concept is an idea
hence the abstract existance, just not conceptualIdeals and justice are too abstract
Let us wait thenbut if someone can find the original Japanese it’d be good
I have the japanese scan of the anime, I found it somewhere, so I don't know if it's really trueA Concept is an idea
Ideals and justice are too abstract but if someone can find the original Japanese it’d be good
that doesn't answer my question though, i mean't where is the scan where heroes zamasu actually became the idea of justice and stuff, those things being abstract is one thing, the issue is zmaasu actually becoming them in the gameIdeals and justice are too abstract but if someone can find the original Japanese it’d be good
It's on Xenoverse 2, bro, not on DBH, but now the @Vietthai96 explain to usthat doesn't answer my question though, i mean't where is the scan where heroes zamasu actually became the idea of justice and stuff, those things being abstract is one thing, the issue is zmaasu actually becoming them in the game
It’s in the Imgur but here https://imgur.io/a/rbndGkvthat doesn't answer my question though, i mean't where is the scan where heroes zamasu actually became the idea of justice and stuff, those things being abstract is one thing, the issue is zmaasu actually becoming them in the game
Wait so can someone explain how a concept & idea are semantically different? If you look up the definitions idea & concept link back to each other. So if someone has abstract existence based on an idea then they would be a conceptual abstract, no?
How does that prove anything?It’s in the Imgur but here https://imgur.io/a/rbndGkv
Do you have a deeper delineation for that? The definition of concept is talking about ideas. & abstract also talks about ideas. How is it not?No, an concept is an idea, but an idea is not inherently an concept
Take it easy, he's just like that our friend lolDo you have a deeper delineation for that? The definition of concept is talking about ideas. & abstract also talks about ideas. How is it not?
The definition of an concept is talking about ideas, hence why i said that an concept is an idea, and the abstrat part i also aknoledged, but being abstract doesn't inherently mean concept eitherDo you have a deeper delineation for that? The definition of concept is talking about ideas. & abstract also talks about ideas. How is it not?
Take it easy, he's just like that our friend lol
Theres places that have the definition of idea talking about concepts or conceptions. Plus you didn't really explain how it isn't for those words, they all connect afterall. This is some non corporeal entity that fused with the universe were talking about. Not transmission between neurons. IZ existence would be more of abstract idea, or concept since that's what they semanticly connect to regardless.The definition of an concept is talking about ideas, hence why i said that an concept is an idea, and the abstrat part i also aknoledged, but being abstract doesn't inherently mean concept either
Theres places that have the definition of idea talking about concepts or conceptions. Plus you didn't really explain how it isn't for those words, they all connect afterall. This is some non corporeal entity that fused with the universe were talking about. Not transmission between neurons. IZ existence would be more of abstract idea, or concept since that's what they semanticly connect to regardless.
are you sure those are the correct scans, nowhere does it mention ideals or justice, it is just zamasu appearing in the time nest and chronoa saying him being erased is part of history and him being goneIt’s in the Imgur but here https://imgur.io/a/rbndGkv
Okay I'll wait for his response then. Although I did look up the Kanji he mentioned that more means concept. & that mentioned ideas too.Well, i am going by what the wiki defines as ideas and concepts as explained by the glass man up above, if you a more detailed answer then ask him
At the very beginning of the written scan "ideals"are you sure those are the correct scans, nowhere does it mention ideals or justice, it is just zamasu appearing in the time nest and chronoa saying him being erased is part of history and him being gone
At the very beginning of the written scan "ideals"