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Zamasu and his bad AE
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I didn't even link that videoOh I see. You linked the entire video rather than exact time span
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Yes
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I can't do this, wowOh I see. You linked the entire video rather than exact time span
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I put the exact time it appears, it's 14:51, I can't do it like you do to leave it at the exact moment of the YouTube video
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Uh yeah I saw. It's fine.
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Could someone tell me why scans of languages outside the original are being used as an argument?
Also, again, there were translations done straight from Japanese here and nothing about "concept" was mentioned.
Also, as it says on AE's page: "Embodying a concept is not enough to obtain this ability, an abstract needs feats or reliable statements proving that the concept they represent grants them Immortality/Regeneration or control over the abstraction."
Even if there was a mention of "concept" the Infinite Zamasu in the anime didn't demonstrate any of that. The only thing I've seen as an argument for Infinite Zamasu's conceptual AE continues to be quotes from him becoming an idea, which on this wiki is not synonymous with a concept.
Also, again, there were translations done straight from Japanese here and nothing about "concept" was mentioned.
Also, as it says on AE's page: "Embodying a concept is not enough to obtain this ability, an abstract needs feats or reliable statements proving that the concept they represent grants them Immortality/Regeneration or control over the abstraction."
Even if there was a mention of "concept" the Infinite Zamasu in the anime didn't demonstrate any of that. The only thing I've seen as an argument for Infinite Zamasu's conceptual AE continues to be quotes from him becoming an idea, which on this wiki is not synonymous with a concept.
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Tell me you never played Xenoverse 2 without telling me never played Xenoverse 2.
The statement of Fu and Infinite Zamasu cutscene come from completely different DLCs.
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have to wait for @Vietthai96, he who translated everything right and according to my god his translation is right and accurate, so he should wait until a Japanese expert arrives
https://vsbattles.com/threads/zamasu-and-his-bad-ae.149903/post-5510984
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He's busy, he has to wait to answer this, don't be in a hurry, he still has to wait 48hrs to be applied, so, wait for that
Besides, there were no counterarguments, so no, we shouldn't apply it yet!
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Yeah, he has a point, we can't rush before the grace period
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From skimming the Abstract Existence Type 1 for Infinite Zamasu (STAFF ONLY) thread made 2 years ago I found Qliphoth_Bacikal's translation of the art book statement in it.
Qliphoth_Bacikal's translation:
The fused Zamasu was sliced by Trunks, but their thought flew into the sky, wrapping the entire earth.
Reading through that thread the art book statement from a DVD case wasn't the reasoning for the "Possibly Abstract Existence" rating and would have been rejected if alone.
He got a possibly rating for the things written on Toei's website that was translated by Herms.
"Future Trunks slices Merged Zamasu in two with a Sword of Light! Zamasu's will runs out of control and begins engulfing the universe."
Zamasu's will being the reasoning for the possibly rating.
Qliphoth_Bacikal's translation:
The fused Zamasu was sliced by Trunks, but their thought flew into the sky, wrapping the entire earth.
Reading through that thread the art book statement from a DVD case wasn't the reasoning for the "Possibly Abstract Existence" rating and would have been rejected if alone.
He got a possibly rating for the things written on Toei's website that was translated by Herms.
"Future Trunks slices Merged Zamasu in two with a Sword of Light! Zamasu's will runs out of control and begins engulfing the universe."
Zamasu's will being the reasoning for the possibly rating.
NiniAtheist2005
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From skimming the Abstract Existence Type 1 for Infinite Zamasu (STAFF ONLY) thread made 2 years ago I found Qliphoth_Bacikal's translation of the art book statement in it.
Qliphoth_Bacikal's translation:
The fused Zamasu was sliced by Trunks, but their thought flew into the sky, wrapping the entire earth.
Reading through that thread the art book statement from a DVD case wasn't the reasoning for the "Possibly Abstract Existence" rating and would have been rejected if alone.
He got a possibly rating for the things written on Toei's website that was translated by Herms.
"Future Trunks slices Merged Zamasu in two with a Sword of Light! Zamasu's will runs out of control and begins engulfing the universe."
Zamasu's will being the reasoning for the possibly rating.
Agree, much evidence has been given to support The Kanji "念" is a thought rather than an idea/concept, this CRT should come to an end soon. Vietthai, I think he won't be here
But I want to have a small suggestion, just change its description instead of ideas/concepts then it's ideas/thoughts or something, like this
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I see.
Then can the canon Fusion Zamasu profile be unlocked please?
I know Qliphoth_Bacikal so it's nice ig.
But yeah, the Blu Ray + TOEI Timeline make it clear that Zamasu embodies his own thoughts/will, so...
Then can the canon Fusion Zamasu profile be unlocked please?
From skimming the Abstract Existence Type 1 for Infinite Zamasu (STAFF ONLY) thread made 2 years ago I found Qliphoth_Bacikal's translation of the art book statement in it.
Qliphoth_Bacikal's translation:
The fused Zamasu was sliced by Trunks, but their thought flew into the sky, wrapping the entire earth.
Reading through that thread the art book statement from a DVD case wasn't the reasoning for the "Possibly Abstract Existence" rating and would have been rejected if alone.
He got a possibly rating for the things written on Toei's website that was translated by Herms.
"Future Trunks slices Merged Zamasu in two with a Sword of Light! Zamasu's will runs out of control and begins engulfing the universe."
Zamasu's will being the reasoning for the possibly rating.
I know Qliphoth_Bacikal so it's nice ig.
But yeah, the Blu Ray + TOEI Timeline make it clear that Zamasu embodies his own thoughts/will, so...
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Unlocked.
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Yes.
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Weren't we going to wait for @Vietthai96?
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Don't see how any other input is going to matter, it's not conceptual AE
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He won't show up and time's up.
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Applied the changes. Now someone should do the CRT for Xenoverse/Heroes Zamasu.
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Does embodying this will grant Zamasu control over said abstract existence? Does embodying this will grant Zamasu any form of Immortality or Regeneration?
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No, for same reason Giygas/AntiSpiral do not either.
They just are living thoughts.
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Isn't AE type 1 mostly incorporeality? Rather tha control or immortality/regeneration?
remember when type 3 was a thing
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I think that portion is outdated anyways.
Nullflowerblush
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Firstly, whataboutism.
Secondly, Giygas has direct influence over the Evil that he embodies, and Antispiral, as "the universe itself", possesses the ability to reshape said universe infinitely to its will, meeting the requirements of "control over the abstraction".
Also, apparently, "The consciousness behind [Antispiral] doesn't have a body. Their body is a materialized thought, and can reform their body with just thought", which meets the requirements of "[proof] that the concept they represent grants them Immortality/Regeneration".
Without any concrete evidence proving that Infinite Zamasu embodying his abstract will grants any heightened state of being, then the mere act of embodying said abstract will would qualify for, at best, Incorporeality, no?
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...this is not why they have AE.
AE comes from the fact that they are living thoughts in the Anti-Spiral Space, and even things like the Gurren Lagann have it for the exact same reason despite them having nothing to do with said space lol.
Nullflowerblush
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Which is backed up by their thought-based Low-Godly Regeneration.
Which Zamasu lacks.
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Then idfk
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Regardless if you want to, make a Part II for the Crt. Because this one only needed to fix the AE, not remove it.
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Kewl.
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Uhm... The changes are applied from a while. Can you lock this thread and the profile please?
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aight
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