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Okay I'll wait for his response then. Although I did look up the Kanji he mentioned that more means concept. & that mentioned ideas too.
Well, the op showed that the kanji for concept is not there
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Okay I'll wait for his response then. Although I did look up the Kanji he mentioned that more means concept. & that mentioned ideas too.
Iirc the way it got accepted (abstract concept stuff), was through other information that did mention ideas or stuff akin to that. It should be on the profile.Well, the op showed that the kanji for concept is not there
Yes, it's right here in these comments, where it was translated and indeed Zamasu was that.Iirc the way it got accepted (abstract concept stuff), was through other information that did mention ideas or stuff akin to that. It should be on the profile.
You can do a CRT analyzing the idea of "Idea Manipulation," but I'd leave it open to interpretation so Staff can work out what's best.Honestly, ever since the conceptual manipulation page got rid of ideas as concepts we should have created a separate page for idea manipulation or at least mentioned it on the mind manipulation page somewhere.
Because now we just have a power which is still technically a power but can't be mentioned in P&A because of its removal from Conceptual manipulation. Aside from just Zamasu and his embodiment stuff.
You have no idea, here we still call beerus bills and hit hitto in the subs lolDamn, son! You blow in from the OBD like I did?
Anyway, I agree with this. Even if Luffy is right about the Brazilian Portuguese translation being word for word from the Japanese original, the thing about kanji is you really have to look into the context of the kanji in order to understand it. It isn't straightforward as you think it is; the very least you have to worry about are the On'yomi and Kun'yomi readings.
Plus let's be real, Brazilian Portuguese is to Portuguese like American English is to English; it's not gonna make sense in the country the language came from.
When he becomes Infinite Zamasuyes but where does he actually become the idea of justice? that's what seems to be missing here
the time nest scan doesn't support that tho?When he becomes Infinite Zamasu
also you seem to be ignoring it so ima just copy and paste what it says
As you can see, the scene above is the Future Trunks/Goku Black Saga from DBS adapted into Xenoverse's story, with SSR Goku Black and then Fused Zamasu, and later Infinite Zamasu who then even breached into the Time Nest which is in this scan: https://imgur.com/a/rbndGkv This scan supports all the above scans about Infinite Zamasu being an abstract existence, the very ideas/concepts of justice and order of the universe itself
proof that it is reffering to infinite zamasu instead of just being fu not liking abstract stuff per his personality?Dragon Ball (Game) Xenoverse takes this even further, as Fu, one of the smartest characters in the verse literally states that Ideals and Justice are too Abstract, which is directly referring to Infinite Zamasu
again, the time nest proves nothingAs you can see, the scene above is the Future Trunks/Goku Black Saga from DBS adapted into Xenoverse's story, with SSR Goku Black and then Fused Zamasu, and later Infinite Zamasu who then even breached into the Time Nest which is in this scan: https://imgur.com/a/rbndGkv
You aren’t reading what I’m saying I literally said that the time nest scan comes after that statement of the goku black saga where Fu is referencing Zamasu so time nest does prove something and Zamasu becoming the ideas of justice is something said similarly in the anime so it’s not far off it’s just more consistent In Xenoversethe time nest scan doesn't support that tho?
proof that it is reffering to infinite zamasu instead of just being fu not liking abstract stuff per his personality?
again, the time nest proves nothing
i still want to hear vietthai’s opinions on this but his timezone is kinda weird so he won’t respond until like probably 3-4 hours from now which I’ve usually noticedI am neutral, I think it really depends on the interpretation of the translation. But Viethai has generally tend to be reliable iirc.
I don’t think it is it’s being viewed as thiswhy is "I am going to become justice and order " being interpreted as this:
1. Independent Universal Concepts: Such concepts are completely independent from the part of reality they govern, except maybe of other concepts of this nature. These concepts shape all of reality within their area of influence and at whatever level that area exists in, and everything in it "participates" in these concepts. For example, a circular object is circular because it is "participating" in the concept of "circle-ness". In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept.
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fu was not referencing zamasu tho? he was talking about how ideals and justice are too abstract for his liking, he was not talking about zamasu, and even then the time nest scene proves nothing about him becoming a concept or not, seriosly can you please explain how does the time nest thing proves anything at all?You aren’t reading what I’m saying I literally said that the time nest scan comes after that statement of the goku black saga where Fu is referencing Zamasu so time nest does prove something
not really? i don't see much difference between the twoand Zamasu becoming the ideas of justice is something said similarly in the anime so it’s not far off it’s just more consistent In Xenoverse
that is fine, there is no need to rush at alli still want to hear vietthai’s opinions on this but his timezone is kinda weird so he won’t respond until like probably 3-4 hours from now which I’ve usually noticed
apparently not anymoreAlso is being the idea of something not imply concept anymore? I always thought it did but I could be wrong
fu was not referencing zamasu tho? he was talking about how ideals and justice are too abstract for his liking, he was not talking about zamasu, and even then the time nest scene proves nothing about him becoming a concept or not, seriosly can you please explain how does the time nest thing proves anything at all?
He was referring to Zamasu in that context and it legit shows the Goku Black arc and the time nest scene comes after
The only difference really is that it’s stated in one source whereas for the anime it says he’s becoming justice and order and guides support this saying he’s becoming an idea or will which shows abstraction and conceptual (atleast used to but it seems that got changed)not really? i don't see much difference between the two
that is fine, there is no need to rush at all
If ideas don’t mean concepts on the wiki anymore then fair enoughapparently not anymore
The evidence is that the the scene above is the Future Trunks/Goku Black Saga from DBS adapted into Xenoverse's story with SSR Goku Black and then Fused Zamasu and later Infinite Zamasu who then even breached into the Time Nest is shown and the Ideals and Law is referring to Zamasuwhat is the evidence that he is refering to zamasu/infinite zamasu? and again what does the time nest prove exactly? could you be more clear?
also if you concede on the idea=/=concept anymore on the wiki, then you agree with the op now?
what is the evidence for this tho? that part is where i am confusedthe Ideals and Law is referring to Zamasu
Well it’s heavily implied and he’s shown shortly after that’s said along with the fact that the anime says he is trying to become Justice itself so it’s pretty consistentwhat is the evidence for this tho? that part is where i am confused
That's not proof at all though. "Heavy implication" is just that, implication.Well it’s heavily implied and he’s shown shortly after that’s said along with the fact that the anime says he is trying to become Justice itself so it’s pretty consistent
I've played that DLC myself and idk how tf did y'all reach that conclusion
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Well, those guys clearly haven't played the game, becouse it appears on XV2 aswell, in the infinite history DLC, and I think earlier.Second, Fuu clearly was not refering to Infinite Zamasu in that scan.
Third, y'all kept saying they destroyed the CoT in XV1.
Sorry to crush your dreams but...I am neutral, I think it really depends on the interpretation of the translation. But Viethai has generally tend to be reliable iirc.
Isn't that in the Official DBS Blu-ray Disc Artbook?the kanji for idea is nonexistent in the anime as well.
In the English translation it also says "ideas", that is, there is nothing wrong here, ideas and concepts are all the same in Japanese, described by @Vietthai96, I think he should leave it to those who really understand Japanese before trying to downgrade something.Isn't that in the Official DBS Blu-ray Disc Artbook?
I talk about the anime dialogue lmao.Isn't that in the Official DBS Blu-ray Disc Artbook?
Proof?ideas and concepts are all the same in Japanese
The scan is there to prove it, see for yourself.Proof?
Words of a random mean nothing. I want an actual reliable source for that, not a wanker's lies on the langauge without backing.The scan is there to prove it, see for yourself.
@Vietthai96 Coming soon, but why are you treating me so bad?Words of a random mean nothing. I want an actual reliable source for that, not a wanker's lies on the langauge without backing.