Mogami can mind control Mob, who can ignore God Dimple's mind control, who after being empowered can affect Teruki, who can resist the passive mind control of Psycho Helmet, who can affect weaker espers, who have baseline resistance to mind control.
Mogami has Area-of-Effect life absorption on top of lacking life, on account of not having life (since he's dead) and an army of spirits as powerful as himself.
We have nothing saying ghosts are life essences in universe. Heck, they can exist from nothing but collective belief. They're just ghosts and spirits.
) in the scan is broken. 500 years later the seal on Zagred breaks and he reincarnates one of the elves which makes the elf think he’s some kind of savior for the other elves but in reality all of that was Zagred’s master plan to eventually obtain his body and steal the poor elf’s grimoire.
I count 3 layers here tho.
And how is this hax getting past Demon Heart Invulnerability?
The invulnerability seems to be limited to conventionally killing/defeating them. Based on the page, I see no defense from a mind Hax or possession incapacitation victory.
Agree to disagree I suppose. Mogami's mind control, possession, and memory reading/manipulation should give him an easy victory imo.
The ridiculous NLF aside, mind hax doesn't need to kill to incapacitate.
In fact, it should protect them from mental manipulation as well since there is mental magic in BC that is not considered arcane magic or sacred magic, like for example Marx and Neige
It is not mentioned because Invulnerability already covers it so many of the hax that the demon heart demonstrates resistance to are not on its page, and limited because it's just the heart, and there's no reason to assume this as the NFL since the Invulnerability of demon hearts is important to the plot and spells that are mind hax have been shown to be "ordinary" magic which does not affect the demon heart
His consciousness(mind) is in the heart, that's why when the rest of his body gets vaporized the heart grew a mouth and he was shown talking/using his magic with it to restore his body
They have higher LS than the people in Black Clover so that's not really a point. Class T vs Class K is not going to let Zagred talk while under the influence.
He can, but that also means he won't be able to think about what he is doing at the moment.
Telekinesis already affects the entire body so it would automatically affect all the mouths he creates on his body and prevent him from speaking.
Zagred's resistance is not currently backed up like Mogami's is. It's not on the pages. As far as I know you could just be making that up, considering you didn't bring it up until recently.
Existence Erasure is not mind manipulation at all. Those are completely different abilities with completely different applications. Using the statement of "Tanking everything" and extrapolating that to mean they can resist abilities like mind manipulation without explicit proof is textbook NLF.
Again, even if that was the case, "killing" isn't even required. Possession and Mind Manipulation are his main attacks and both of them can be used to incapacitate, which is what he normally does anyway.
Again you are misunderstanding what I am saying..
I have been doing so for a long while now while repeating myself over and over again.
I rewatched the episode to confirm everything I’ve said thus far and I realized Mogami doesn’t have mind hax outside memory manipulation.
Doesn’t need to kill him.
Everyone in Mob Psycho can do psychic energy binds that cover one's entire body (Example of Mob twisting all of Toichiro's body at once, even down to his eyes in the anime). The only reason people in Mob Psycho can talk is because, once again, they have higher lifting strength/psychic resistance that allows them to resist psychic powers to an extent. Like Tochiro in that scene having Class T as well, allowing him to still talk, though even he was struggling to do that.
I also disagree that having “a higher LS” helps you to talk while being “bound” but I won’t say anything about it. All I’ll say is, Crushing requires but AP and LS.
This is the biggest point, which is why I addressed it. If you can't counter the TK point, then it means that regardless of if Mogami needs to possess him, that he would still win this fight. Because if he can bind him, he can possess him anyway, even if you think he needs to do that to do mind manipulation stuff.
There is no crushing required. Closing mouths is not going to be damaging Zagred, just restricting him from moving his mouths, so invulnerability (immunity from damage) is not a factor. There is no damage or compression being done to Zagred's body. So the AP requirement isn't even really a factor for my argument.
Invulnerability doesn't counter telekinesis unless you have proof if does. And again, he isn't hurting Zagred, he's just closing mouths. Does his heart have a physical mouth or is a non-physical thing?
He doesn't have to do it forever.
Zagred counters and resists possession.
Okay
Never said it did.
This is the most untrue statement made in this debate thus far and I know you haven’t watched Black Clover so why make this claim with confidence. Whatever Zagred can counter never reaches him. Infact there has never been a case where he let something he could easily counter hit him.
How? Mogami bypasses layered possession resistances. 3 layer bypass iirc.
So then you are admitting Mogami can bind him, right?
I don't know how it's untrue. I've watched multiple clips of him from the anime and in every fight people manage to get close to him/attack him without him just deleting the attacks out of existence with word magic. Like in one scene Yami just literally slashed at him with a sword from like a kilometer away and still managed to hit him. So why are we assuming he'd immediately do that?
