So if there is a statement of one world being superior to another and anyone from higher world being able to destroy the lower world or that anyone from higher world being stronger then all people from the lower world that would be enough for a tier jump?
I can imagine cases where that doesn't lead to a tier jump - perhaps the text explicitly states that the higher world is 100x as strong - but generally that should be more than enough.
I did, as did @Qawsedf234 iirc
Well, A structure that extends infinitely on the 5-dimensional space doesn't mean Low 1-C; it can be a 4-D /2-A structure that extends infinitely on its 4th axis inside this 5-D space. I think this is what Agnaa meant, and yeah DT was also said this in that thread. What you need is not to extend infinitely inside the 5-D space, you need to extend infinitely on the 5th axis or to cover it infinitely.
Under Ultima's new system would the tier jump be like realty fiction one and be 1-A or from Low 2-C to Low 1-C?
Why 1A
Wait for qaw tp confirm if he dissagreed Just incase
On second thought yeah, you are correct.
He agreed with someone who disagreed. That means he disagrees. Don't try to play stupid with me, now; I would hate to have to go back to the RVR, even if I'm not the one getting reported.
No, if a structure has an infinite fifth dimensional axis its a Low 1-C space. Its just that having an infinite number of universes isn't a qualifier, since they don't need a infinitely sized fifth dimensional axis to separate them all.
Well to go more into detail
The demon world containing infinite Low 2-C structures is a 2-A feat, not a Low 1-C one. Spatial Dimensions are just geometric axis. You can have an infinite number of 4D spaces within a finite 5D one with irrational numbers.
It says spirits wonder beyond time and space, not that the Nightmare space is beyond time and space. This isn't a Low 1-C statement.
The quote used is "Diverged from the flow of time" meaning that it split off from a main time structure, meaning its entirely within the flow of time.
No, no it does not. The most this means is that sideways to one multiverse there's another, but that just means the void separating those two cosmologies is an above baseline 2-A space, which isn't the same as Low 1-C. If you had an infinite number of separate multiversal spaces that you could prove like with the MCU, then you could get Low 1-C through a transinfinite number of Low 2-C spaces.
This would be an indication of Low 1-C for the reasons mentioned above.
If the "Demon World" contains an infinite amount of 4D universes, that does not mean it is, itself, the 5D axis upon which the universes are displaced. You seem to be attempting to make an argument along these lines:
If we have infinite universes in a multiverse, and then the multiverse itself is called infinite in size, that does not give the cosmology an additional infinite spatial axis. If we go a step further and have the fiction refer to an omniverse that contains an infinite amount of these multiverses, that still does not give the cosmology an additional infinitely sized spatial axis.
The crucial point for establishing an additional temporal axis is that it goes in a different direction than "past" and "future" of the cosmology's main temporal axis. The problem you keep running into is that you are trying to establish this by referring to some bigger and grander sense of time, or by saying time is separated across multiple parts of the cosmology, but you haven't provided any basis for thinking these separate times or larger overarching times are going in a different direction than the typical "past/future" directions of the main locations of the verse.
None of the evidence given so far suggests there is an infinitely sized 5D axis.
The problem is it's too nebulous, and the evidence in favor of them having the same direction for future/past is too overwhelming for something this vague to contradict it so strongly that we'd give it a new time axis. The rules of time might be difference, but that doesn't mean it goes along a different axis.
Sparda being able to stop time in the demon world without it stopping in the human world doesn't mean they have a different time axis than the "past/future" of the HW.
This doesn't mean much.
Being separate doesn't mean they follow different temporal axes.
I explain it all in my comment about which replied to Tony making the same argument. The Demon World can just be 4D infinite, the fact that an infinite amount of universes "are displaced among an arbitrarily small 5-D axis" does not mean the Demon World being the container/superset of those worlds means it is the 5-D axis itself, such that we could say "if the demon world is infinite then that means the 5-D axis upon which these worlds are displaced is infinite." It just doesn't work that way, but I go much more in depth in my earlier comment here
You haven't shown either in this thread until you reach the MWI part.
Where? You linked two and neither mention that time stopped.
No it doesn't. Time was still going in the same linear direction until it was stopped, that's not evidence for two temporal axis. Just one still.
No, the scan you provided just says they wander beyond space and time, not that the Nightmare realm is beyond those things. The realm can have temp-spatial characteristics while its occupants don't.
That doesn't mean anything unless you prove there's a time directional duality as well.
Under a infinite branching multiverse, if every demon realm or whatever is 2A, then the total cosmology would be 5D.
That's true but...
Well, Isn't that actually “infinite number of 2-A”? So still 2-A. I remember someone opened a revision for scaling higher than the basic 2-A. Maybe it will work here
Actually, whether it is 2-A or not is not very important for Low 1-C right now (It used to be important)
Well yeah, that's technically true. But there's also no evidence it is 2-A, so this would be a very short conversation despite how important it is.
But its not. Its an infinite amount of 2-As that branch off due to MWI, which is a recursive infinity which leads to transinfinite number.
No.
There is quite the mistake here. The 5th dimensional axis doesn't need to be stated to be "uncountably infinitely bigger" because the argument doesn't rely on the structure being uncountable infinitely bigger (as that would amount to arguing QS among other stuff).
There's been no reason why any of the infinities discussed in DMC's cosmology would be uncountably infinite, which would be required.
I know, but because we know that it is only countably infinitely bigger than the human world at best (really, I'd say that the manga scan implies that they're comparably large), it cannot be of a significant 5-D size.
I'm not disagreeing with that.
Your reasoning seems to be as follows, correct me where I'm wrong:
