Yhwach and Maybe Ichigo Small Tier Change

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

God Tier got downgraded to 3x baseline planet. Due to Yhwach's absorption power his tier needs to be adjusted and maybe Ichigo.

Mimihagi = 178.32 Zettaton

Yhwach with Mimihagi absorbed = 356.64 Zettatons

Yhwach after aborbing the SK as well = 534.96 Zettatons

Now Ichigo with his Merged hollow form should be about equal to that Yhwach since he was able to harm him.

Yhwach absorbed both of Ichigo's quincy and shinigami powers as well further amping himself which would place him at 1069.92 Zettatons or 1 Yottaton pretty much.

So Post-Power Absorption Yhwach should be Planet+ and Maybe Ichigo since he was able to cleave him in half but i'm not sure about him.

 

[Naeblis495]

shouldn't Almighty yhwach be higher than mimihagi because he said that mimihagi to be far inferior to what he is ?

https://www.***********.net/bleach/620/14


ichigo with hollow merged bankai is definitly above yhwach if he could one shot yhwach with just bankai with most of his powers absorbed .

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Yeah he is but it's not quantifiable, so for simplicity I did it like this since with his absoprtion we know we get's all the power and what not.

 

[Schnee_One]

Ehhhhh…….

Not too sure if Ichigo fully scales to Planet+, given that he diced Yhwach when his Almighty was down and correct me if I'm wrong but otherwise Yhwach was physically stronger then him.

Seems okay regardless I guess

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

@Schnee

Yeh that's what i'm wondering as well since Yhwach feared his Bankai and we've seen him bisected twice and wounded deeply by Ichigo.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Did Ichigo not halve Yhwach before the arrow hit him?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Did Ichigo not halve Yhwach before the arrow hit him?

Yup.

 

[Schnee_One]

I'm leaning more towards giving him a plus due to him fearing his Bankai, but I'll wait on input for that.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Did Ichigo not halve Yhwach before the arrow hit him?

Yes, Ichigo cut Yhwach twice.

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

Yhwach was scared of Ichigo's AP with his Bankai and broke it. I think Ichigo should scale to Planet+ with his Bankai.

 

[Naeblis495]

@schnee it's the opposite

yhwach was only beating ichigo because of Almighty Hax , yhwach himself state multiple time that ichigo is stronger than him and that he "fear" him as Almighty can't nullify raw AP

he clearly state that ichigo is comparable to him if not even superior to him in raw power :

https://www.***********.net/bleach/677/5

https://www.***********.net/bleach/677/6

https://www.***********.net/bleach/677/7


and here he state that ichigo's bankai is fearsome , so fearsome that he instantly broke it with hax :

https://www.***********.net/bleach/678/9

https://www.***********.net/bleach/678/10

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I think that's enough for the + then for Ichigo.

 

[Antvasima]

I was asked to comment here, but am probably not the best suited for evaluating his, especially as I am very tired and overworked.

You can ask some other administrators and discussion moderators instead: VS Battles Staff

 

[Schnee_One]

Wow I had that ass backwards

Yeah, Ichigo deserves a plus.

Sorry for that guys.

 

[Dark649]

Seems fine for True Bankai Ichigo.

 

[Xulrev]

No need to apologize, shit happens and people misremember.

I think the OP makes sense, the only thing to note is that Ichigo's final halving of Yhwach absolutely does not scale in any way whatsoever though, as Schnee pointed out with the last instance.

Beyond that though, the math is correct.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Well this was pretty easy so I think it should be okay to add now.

 

[Naeblis495]

yeah , yhwach didn't have his power when he was defeated and ichigo's bankai broke down into his old shikai wich we don't know what that mean .

however the first one bisection is completly valid so true bankai ichigo is planet + and merged hollow bankai scale even higher .

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Can one of the staff here unlock the profiles?

Yhwach and Ichigo

 

[MetalGearRaiden]

so

Yhwach gets a plus in his last key for absorbing enough amount of comparable planet level characters

Ichigo gets a plus in his Bankai Key, for one-shoting said Yhwach on two occasions

im fine with that

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

yup

 

[Schnee_One]

And Aizen is left behind

 

[Naeblis495]

unfortunatly for aizen , yes .

 

[Xulrev]

Aizen ought to scale to Yhwach still, since he fought Yhwcah post-Ichigo absorption, unless I'm terribly mistaken.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Yeh, I don't know about scaling Aizen to Bankai Ichigo.

 

[Naeblis495]

he somewhat scale to 5-B as he wasn't compltly overwhelmed but there is no evidence he would be as strong as ichigo or yhwach as he did no actual damage to yhwach.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Aizen ought to scale to Yhwach still, since he fought Yhwcah post-Ichigo absorption, unless I'm terribly mistaken.

This is true, and he also tanked Yhwach's inital attack.

 

[Schnee_One]

That was a casual attack IIRC

 

[Naeblis495]

Aizen ought to scale to Yhwach still, since he fought Yhwcah post-Ichigo absorption, unless I'm terribly mistaken.

This is true, and he also tanked Yhwach's inital attack.

that is true , forgot about that . even tanked it without being damaged.

i retake my argument : aizen could scale to them and get the "+" too , but i'm not entirely sure

@ as shnee said , this was a not serious attack so it's iffy .

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

That was a casual attack IIRC

I remember there was a CRT on this already, but it was decided Aizen scales because of Ichigo I think. It's why we always scaled him to other god tier.

 

[Everything12]

Is their any feats or statements that Yhwach absorbs AP when he absorbs?

 

[Naeblis495]

That was a casual attack IIRC

I remember there was a CRT on this already, but it was decided Aizen scales because of Ichigo I think. It's why we always scaled him to other god tier.

well if the consensus was that aizen scale to ichigo and yhwach then i see no reason that it doesn't apply here .

 

[Theglassman12]

Is there any actual statements that absorbing Mimihagi and the Soul King made Yhwach stronger? rather than just giving him their powers?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Is their any feats or statements that Yhwach absorbs AP when he absorbs?

When he absorbs someone he also absorbs everything about them including their abilities. He also got visibily more powerful after every major absorption.

 

[Xulrev]

I believe Yhwach gleefully shouting 'I am taking your power ' should be a decent indicator.

Also the fact that absorbing the Soul King made him the new Soul King, and he did so explicitly to take Reio's place .

 

[Theglassman12]

You sure that's not just him spouting how he just gained Mimihagi's powers rather than just amping his stats? Cause power a lot of the times refers to just the abilities. Has he mentioned that he grew in strength or anything after absorbing Mimihagi?

That's cause he basically did the same thing to Mimihagi. He gained his powers thanks to absorbing him.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Why wouldn't you grow in strength by absorbing something? Our body's do that all the time after absorbing protein and stuff.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Peter consuming nutrients which is necessary for your body to function is NOT the same thing as absorbing an entire being and gaining their abilities.

 

[Damage3245]

Only after absorbing the Soul King did Yhwach indicate he grew massively in power. In chapter 626 he describes himself as overflowing with power after absorbing the Soul King. (Pages 12 - 13)

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Here he states he is overflowing with power, and Ichigo was physically weakened after his power was absorbed.