Yet another Goku vs Naruto matchup….

[Robo432343]

Nothing Goku has can even harm Naruto unless it's Melee thanks to his immunity to Energy Manipulation without Senjustu since Verse Equalization treats Ki and Chakra as the same thing, meaning Goku has to rush in with Melee in order to put Naruto down and Naruto is just as fast if not faster than Goku thanks to his own speed amps on top of the fact that he has multiple forms of precog that stack on top of each other in this form, so Naruto will just nuke him with EE GG. I don't understand why this is so difficult to grasp.

"goku 1 shot!!!"

 

[Omegabronic]

I vote naruto fra

 

[Fezzih_007]

Nothing Goku has can even harm Naruto unless it's Melee thanks to his immunity to Energy Manipulation

Goku can send a shockwave on Naruto too.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Goku can send a shockwave on Naruto too.

Pretty sure that's an expulsion of Ki and not just him flexing his physicals. Every other piece of Dragon Ball Media treats this as a Ki Based move and I'm pretty sure it's just a Kiai, which is a shockwave made of Ki, thus it wouldn't effect Naruto.

 

[Nierre]

Goku time is so real

 

[Fezzih_007]

Pretty sure that's an expulsion of Ki and not just him flexing his physicals. Every other piece of Dragon Ball Media treats this as a Ki Based move and I'm pretty sure it's just a Kiai, which is a shockwave made of Ki, thus it wouldn't effect Naruto.

Is not actually.
Like, yeah they use the Ki, but the attack itself is not energy based, is more him affecting the air around him. Like, he uses his Ki to affect the air around him, so even if Naruto is immune to Energy Manipulation (Can you pinpoint where is this stated in the profile? I can't find it) he still gonna be affect by the Air current.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Is not actually.
Like, yeah they use the Ki, but the attack itself is not energy based, is more him affecting the air around him. Like, he uses his Ki to affect the air around him, so even if Naruto is immune to Energy Manipulation (Can you pinpoint where is this stated in the profile? I can't find it) he still gonna be affect by the Air current.

It's in his Six Paths Key, though for some reason it just links to Hagoromo instead of having the justification written on both of their profiles.

 

[Fezzih_007]

It's in his Six Paths Key, though for some reason it just links to Hagoromo instead of having the justification written on both of their profiles.

It looks like naruto is suffering the same problem with outdated pages then, like Dragon Ball. I think.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

It looks like naruto is suffering the same problem with outdated pages then, like Dragon Ball. I think.

Either way Naruto is immune to all forms of Energy and Elements that aren't Hand to Hand Combat or Senjutsu, of which Goku has one of and its not going to let him win because Precog into EE.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Naruto FRA

 

[Fezzih_007]

Either way Naruto is immune to all forms of Energy and Elements that aren't Hand to Hand Combat or Senjutsu, of which Goku has one of and its not going to let him win because Precog into EE.

Shockwaves trought, which is not exactly energy.

 

[SlendVeny]

Shockwaves trought, which is not exactly energy.

Pretty sure Naruto negates Wind Style

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Pretty sure Naruto negates Wind Style

He negates all forms of energy that aren't Senjutsu and I'm swearing up and down that a Kiai is a shockwave made of Ki which is straight up energy made of physical and spiritual aspects, something Naruto is explicitly immune to.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Pretty sure Naruto negates Wind Style

Is not exactly the same thing.

 

[Fezzih_007]

I'm swearing up and down that a Kiai is a shockwave made of Ki which is straight up energy made of physical and spiritual aspects, something Naruto is explicitly immune to.

Is not.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Is not.

Prove it, show me scans about the Kiai that prove it isn't just made of Ki.

 

[Nierre]

On the wiki, "It is a technique where the user affects the air currents around him with ki to produce powerful shockwaves in order to strike the opponent."

So it's just using ur ki to push the air. So IMO yeah it's just air manipulation through Ki.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

On the wiki, "It is a technique where the user affects the air currents around him with ki to produce powerful shockwaves in order to strike the opponent."

So it's just using ur ki to push the air. So IMO yeah it's just air manipulation through Ki.

So it doesn't work on Naruto, got it.

 

[SlendVeny]

On the wiki, "It is a technique where the user affects the air currents around him with ki to produce powerful shockwaves in order to strike the opponent."

So it's just using ur ki to push the air. So IMO yeah it's just air manipulation through Ki.

It's air with ki in it, that's what wind style is

 

[Nierre]

I never said otherwise

 

[Fezzih_007]

It's air with ki in it

Is not trought, they just push the air with Ki, they don't infuse the air with energy.
Pretty sure.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Is not trought, they just push the air with Ki, they don't infuse the air with energy.
Pretty sure.

On the wiki, "It is a technique where the user affects the air currents around him with ki to produce powerful shockwaves in order to strike the opponent."

So it's just using ur ki to push the air. So IMO yeah it's just air manipulation through Ki.

^

 

[Fezzih_007]

^

Yeah, Nierre and I said the same thing. Is Air Manipulation more or less.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Yeah, Nierre and I said the same thing. Is Air Manipulation more or less.

Which means it wouldn't work on Naruto since he's immune to all elements that aren't powered by Senjutsu.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Which means it wouldn't work on Naruto since he's immune to all elements that aren't powered by Senjutsu.

Wow, now i see on Hagomo profile. (lmao)

Anyway, all elements is kinda vague, does really include Air manipulation?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Wow, now i see on Hagomo profile. (lmao)

Anyway, all elements is kinda vague, does really include Air manipulation?

Yes. Obito was unharmed by Naruto's Rasenshuriken which is a Wind Elemental attack that completely annihilates and Dura Negs its target via Cellular Destruction because he has Six Paths Sage Mode like Naruto.

 

[MeiouHades]

Nothing Goku has can even harm Naruto unless it's Melee thanks to his immunity to Energy Manipulation

This is just wrong. You think Naruto can just shrug off a 4-C Kamehameha when no one in his entire verse has that much output? I call NLF. By this logic, what’s stopping him from resisting a Kamehameha from MUI Goku? You‘re blatantly abusing standards and the worst part is no one seems to notice,

without Senjustu since Verse Equalization treats Ki and Chakra as the same thing, meaning Goku has to rush in with Melee in order to put Naruto down

He does not. A 4-C Kiai wave can vaporize Naruto.

and Naruto is just as fast if not faster than Goku

He is not. 2.16c vs 2.11c, both of them at their best

thanks to his own speed amps on top of the fact that he has multiple forms of precog that stack on top of each other in this form,

None of which change the fact that Goku can end the fight by doing almost anything, which he will because he sees no gain in trying to box wit Naruto.

so Naruto will just nuke him with EE GG. I don't understand why this is so difficult to grasp.

I am convinced you aren’t reading what has been argued before, especially what I said.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Yes. Obito was unharmed by Naruto's Rasenshuriken which is a Wind Elemental attack that completely annihilates and Dura Negs its target via Cellular Destruction because he has Six Paths Sage Mode like Naruto.

I don't think Rasenshuriken is the same as Kiai trought.
Like, one is infusing the attack with his chakra element, the other is using his Ki to push the air to the enemy, i don't remember if Six Path resist something as a Kiai.


Anyway, ignore everthing i said, because i don't think verse equalization can be applied here, because the energie between the two verse are differents.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

I'm leaning towards Dattebayo Man for now.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This is just wrong. You think Naruto can just shrug off a 4-C Kamehameha when no one in his entire verse has that much output? I call NLF. By this logic, what’s stopping him from resisting a Kamehameha from MUI Goku? You‘re blatantly abusing standards and the worst part is no one seems to notice,

Unfortunately you're just wrong because Invulnerability is a Hax and Saiyan Saga Goku isn't 4-D so he isn't getting past it without hitting Naruto physically. Read the ******* profiles. Hell, it's questionable if MUI Goku could hurt him with Ki Blasts since AFAIK he isn't 4-D either.

He does not. A 4-C Kiai wave can vaporize Naruto.

Read again, you're wrong and I've explained why numerous times now.

He is not. 2.16c vs 2.11c, both of them at their best

Naruto is 2.11c without Amps and can blitz that level with his other amps. Goku has a very tiny edge on Naruto's speed with his maximum Kaioken output, not that it even matters since again Naruto has multiple forms of Precog which stack with each other, each of which individually have let him react to and tag people noticeably faster than him like the Third Raikage.

None of which change the fact that Goku can end the fight by doing almost anything, which he will because he sees no gain in trying to box wit Naruto.

Again, he needs to physically hit Naruto as his Invulnerability Hax overrides Goku's Ki attacks.

I am convinced you aren’t reading what has been argued before, especially what I said.

Same honestly, I'm convinced you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I don't think Rasenshuriken is the same as Kiai trought.
Like, one is infusing the attack with his chakra element, the other is using his Ki to push the air to the enemy, i don't remember if Six Path resist something as a Kiai.


Anyway, ignore everthing i said, because i don't think verse equalization can be applied here, because the energie between the two verse are differents.

Ki and Chakra are literally the posterchild example of Verse Equalization as they are the most similar of energies between different verses that aren't just generic magic.

 

[MeiouHades]

It's air with ki in it, that's what wind style is

No, it uses Ki to manipulate air currents in such a way that it can harm powerful characters. It is NOT just air+Ki. Why would he need to add air on top of his Ki if he can just use Ki Blasts directly?

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Unfortunately you're just wrong because Invulnerability is a Hax and Saiyan Saga Goku isn't 4-D so he isn't getting past it without hitting Naruto physically. Read the ***** profiles. Hell, it's questionable if MUI Goku could hurt him with Ki Blasts since AFAIK he isn't 4-D either.

MUI Goku is 3-D with 4-D AP, which would go for his ki blasts.

Your point about verse equalization and ki blasts being useless against Naruto with this version of Goku still stands.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Saiyan Saga Goku isn't 4-D

He never said he was;

Ki and Chakra are literally the posterchild example of Verse Equalization as they are the most similar of energies between different verses that aren't just generic magic.

Are they really that similar? Like, besides being the life energy of someone, i think Chakra is way more complex than Ki to be fully equalized with Ki. Like, they don't even the same origin, like one comes from aliens, and the other is a thing everyone have normally.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

He never said he was;

Are they really that similar? Like, besides being the life energy of someone, i think Chakra is way more complex than Ki to be fully equlized with Ki.

They're both just Physical and Mental/Spiritual Energy formed into a combination to create Ki/Chakra.

 

[MeiouHades]

Unfortunately you're just wrong because Invulnerability is a Hax and Saiyan Saga Goku isn't 4-D so he isn't getting past it without hitting Naruto physically.

Which is a textbook definition of NLF. Can you show me feats for that “invulnerability hax” resisting and shrugging off an attack far, far more powerful than anything Naruto can even imagine at this point?

Read the ***** profiles. Hell, it's questionable if MUI Goku could hurt him with Ki Blasts since AFAIK he isn't 4-D either.

In Texas, we say “bless your heart“ when someone says something so brilliant and intelligent. Bless your heart.

Read again, you're wrong and I've explained why numerous times now.

Take your own advice.

Naruto is 2.11c without Amps and can blitz that level with his other amps.

Unfortunately, his amps don’t get him a higher speed rating in the wiki, it’s just “higher” than 2.11c, how much so is not known here AFAIK

Goku has a very tiny edge on Naruto's speed with his maximum Kaioken output,

Which is still higher than 2.11c which is what Naruto caps are on the wiki in this state. If you think his amps are enough to surpass 2.16c, make a CRT about it. Yeah you read it right, you need a CRT for this. Read the Goku vs SGGL thread if you don’t believe me.

not that it even matters since again Naruto has multiple forms of Precog which stack with each other, each of which individually have let him react to and tag people noticeably faster than him like the Third Raikage.

Goku can also fight people faster than him and MASSIVELY outskills Naruto in close range combat so I don’t see how this makes much of a difference.

Again, he needs to physically hit Naruto as his Invulnerability Hax overrides Goku's Ki attacks.

He does not until you show me Naruto shrugging off an attack on such a magnitude with his “invulnerability“

Same honestly, I'm convinced you have no idea what you're talking about.

View must be great from that glass house

 

[Fezzih_007]

They're both just Physical and Mental/Spiritual Energy formed into a combination to create Ki/Chakra.

Ki is not that trought. You do need them both to fully manipulate, but not really to create.
Ki is more emotion based than anything actually.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Btw, can we tone down the hostility?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Ki is not that trought. You do need them both to fully manipulate, but not really to create.
Ki is more emotion based than anything actually.

The same can be said of Chakra since it gets wildly changed by the user's emotional state, just like Ki.

Which is a textbook definition of NLF. Can you show me feats for that “invulnerability hax” resisting and shrugging off an attack far, far more powerful than anything Naruto can even imagine at this point?

It's not NLF, it's just how Invulnerability works. He's immune to energy/elemental attacks period.

In Texas, we say “bless your heart“ when someone says something so brilliant and intelligent. Bless your heart.

You know you can be reported for insulting people's intelligence in this manner, treating them like they're idiots?

Unfortunately, his amps don’t get him a higher speed rating in the wiki, it’s just “higher” than 2.11c, how much so is not known here AFAIK

Which is still higher than 2.11c which is what Naruto caps are on the wiki in this state. If you think his amps are enough to surpass 2.16c, make a CRT about it. Yeah you read it right, you need a CRT for this. Read the Goku vs SGGL thread if you don’t believe me.

See, the problem here is that the difference between 2.16c and 2.11c is extremely small to point of being almost non-existent. It's really nothing to brag about.

Goku can also fight people faster than him and MASSIVELY outskills Naruto in close range combat so I don’t see how this makes much of a difference.

Naruto doesn't need to outskill Goku, he just needs to block with any of his nine TSO which he can do extremely quickly, especially with Precog and Speed Amps.

He does not until you show me Naruto shrugging off an attack on such a magnitude with his “invulnerability“

That's just how it is dude, I don't make the rules. It explicitly states that he's immune to energy or elemental attacks that aren't Senjutsu based.

View must be great from that glass house

Same honestly.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Yea I'm convinced. Naruto FRA