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Xenoverse and Heroes possible separation
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Nullflowerblush
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It did—the game was released in 2010.
Also, I don't know if people actually know this or not, but Xenoverse takes place in Age 850, and Heroes is currently in Age 780, some time after the Tournament of Power.
Also, I don't know if people actually know this or not, but Xenoverse takes place in Age 850, and Heroes is currently in Age 780, some time after the Tournament of Power.
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Context matters
Depending on what the context is, endless and infinite can either be different or the same thing
More specifically I'm referring to the context of distance/measurement
When endless and infinite are used in the context of measurements then it becomes hard to distinguish the two from each other
Example
Space is Endless
Space is Infinite
In both cases neither has am existing end nor a finite measurement
The real problem here is that Infinite can be used as a value and a measurement while endless cannot
Example
The Worlds are Infinite
The Worlds are Endless
Infinite world's would mean exactly that, infinite worlds
While with endless Worlds the clear value is ambiguous as endless is not a value
The application of Infinite being applicable for both measurement and value for a cosmology is what warrants the 2A
While in the case of endless the same cannot be said as it's too ambiguous and lead to unresolved Inaccuracies
Long story short
While endless can you be used to warrant that the world/cosmology has infinite distance, it can't be used to warrant infinite number of worlds
Hope this made sense
Rez
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Isn't time patrol different in heroes too
Rez
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No pretty sure heroes time patrol is mostly composed of a handful of characters meanwhile xenoverse time patrol is an pretty big organisation
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That would only apply to Xenoverse, to be honest
Vietthai96
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In Xenoverse we have a city for Time Patrol, so they could qualify for a Civilization Profile, in Heroes Time Patrol have only a handful of peoples
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DBH should pretty much be 2-B.
"There's a multiverse" isn't an argument because otherwise we include even fanfics as they're technically still timelines applying this logic.
You need actual statement of sharing same multiverse/canon like Mario, Pokémon or Puella Magi to have whatever multiverse busters in that series scaling to the same cosmology, otherwise you gonna do what's considered there. And any version of DBH has literally no proof of sharing the same cosmology as DBX.
"There's a multiverse" isn't an argument because otherwise we include even fanfics as they're technically still timelines applying this logic.
You need actual statement of sharing same multiverse/canon like Mario, Pokémon or Puella Magi to have whatever multiverse busters in that series scaling to the same cosmology, otherwise you gonna do what's considered there. And any version of DBH has literally no proof of sharing the same cosmology as DBX.
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Uh, that's pretty neat tbh, I agree with that.
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We could go with "2B likely 2A"...??
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I thought we didn't count other games as BT3 for the cosmology anymore. Plus sharing an almost identical cosmology means nothing, as we would take fanfics too if we go with this path.
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Despite similarities I don’t think they’d be able to scale to each other’s cosmologies if they’re legitimately from separate continuities.
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Endless can mean infinite, but also not.
For example, in Secret Rings it’s said that Sonic ran “endlessly” until he found his way back to his world, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he ran an infinite distance.
For example, in Secret Rings it’s said that Sonic ran “endlessly” until he found his way back to his world, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he ran an infinite distance.
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yes
Rez
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Heroes does and also shin budokai does
Nullflowerblush
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Heroes only scale to traditional Dragon Ball cosmology—every action births a new timeline, meaning there is a countless amount of timelines at this point (kind of like the Mario dream thing)—and the Crimson-Masked Saiyan claiming he has travelled to "countless spacetimes".
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This seems like a good solution, given the uncertainty with "endless".
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Rez
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Well heroes still has it thankfully. And what was the shin budokai one originally?
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Well, Xenoverse appeared After Heroes, so, I don't think that it's enough to give Heroes the same rating as Xenoverse, mainly when they don't have the same statements and also aren't the same cosmology
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Then I am neutral with this. I obviously still think that the scaling between Heroes and Xenoverse shouldn't be applied for the already stated reasons, but for the Heroes cosmology it all depends on the interpretation of the word "endless".
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We don't make "2-B, likely 2-A" for verses with endless timelines, we always make them 2-B. It would make a weird exception towards DBH.
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Heroes and Xenoverse do not share a cosmology.
Both of them having a Time Nest and a Crack of Time means nothing. They only scale to 2-B.
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I do not see how “endless” warrants 2-A without supporting context. Brand new timelines being created from every action is 2-B and still fulfills the statement of “endless” timelines existing.
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Just a quick question, can someone send the ''Endless'' statement that appear in Heroes?
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they dont have the literal wording of "Endless" but they do have "countless" statements
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It technically is
The way heroes works is mostly be implications
In other words if something was already stated or mentioned in Xenoverse, it won't be mentioned again in Heroes unless it's plot relevant
The narrative of Heroes taking from other sources and media and most especially Xenoverse is the creators way of saying everything goes and all things applies both ways
But because that implication is never directly stated in verse that's where the problem arises
And more than likely it will never be outright stated since even in XV the Lore of Infinite World's came from an NPC
Heroes cosmology definitely mirrors that of XV which is a 2A cosmology buy just because Heroes never says 2A then apparently it's not
It's honestly kinda cherry picking
Like for example saying that you'd have to prove that every continuity in DC and Marvel has a 2A cosmology or less downgrade and you would have to use stand alone statements from that specific continuity to prove it and not take from other continuities to prove it
I'd go for a Possibility 2A rating on the Possibility and Implications Heroes Multiverse mirrors Xenoverse
But if everyone is gonna push for flat out 2B then I won't oppose
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Endless literally just means "so much that it doesn't seem to have an end", a bit like countless means "so much that it's impossibile to count". If we want to go from synonyms we'd make any countless timelines 2-A and that's obviously not the case.
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And making an exception towards other verses which have just 2-B because of endless? We can't make do it just because is Dragon Ball.
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Oh, Countless then? Then I don't know why we would give it 2-A if some characters are 2-B due countless
Nullflowerblush
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Everything you just said was unfathomably incorrect and blatantly disregards everything that has been brought up in the thread to this point.
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Anyway, I have to go and exercise, eat, and then switch to my wiki edit-patrolling work, so I will likely not be able to comment more in this thread until tomorrow.
This has caused the greatest quick tsunami of posts that I remember seeing in this forum so far in any case, so try to only make relevant posts and to avoid spamming. Thank you.
This has caused the greatest quick tsunami of posts that I remember seeing in this forum so far in any case, so try to only make relevant posts and to avoid spamming. Thank you.
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Oh, take your time, personal healthy is far more important, and thanks for helping in this thread
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