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Xenoverse and Heroes possible separation

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Shin budokai also has an endless worlds statment which in itself is not enough to qualify for 2-A but combined with tenkachi 3, fusion and hell maybe even dokkan it has enough context to be considered as infinite
 
Rez said:
It is rather common knowledge that Dragon Ball Heroes is a love letter/crossover to all Dragon Ball Z games.
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Something being "common knowledge" doesn't make it accurate.

Rez said:
It merges several DB games' universes together and fits them as timelines within the Heroes 'multiverse'
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Nope, doesn't work like that at all. Those games they adapt content from (and there aren't that many of them) are usually worked into the main timelines.

Rez said:
And Budokai Tenkaichi 3 is no different; not only is it also a Bamdai Nanco game just like the rest, the sister Budokai series is pretty blatantly stated and shown to be a part of the Heroes multiverse, with Shin Budokai's plot and Janemba showing up.
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The Budokai and Budokai Tenkaichi series have pretty much nothing in common; more important however is that the latter point is factually false, neither Shin Budokai game (a separate series, for the record) are adapted or even referenced by Heroes.

Rez said:
Another statment from previous 2-A heroes crt
In DB fusions when fighting ultra Pinich, there is an infinite number of friezas and cells that can re spawn from endless timelines no matter how many you kill. It states they come from time space holes which each link to alternate timelines. We have actually seen Cell use these before as well. Same with Goku black and Zamasu when fighting against fusion Zamasu. This would imply infinite versions and infinite timelines due to there being literally an endless amount of them.
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We only see a handful at a time, that's hardly infinite.
 
I'm agreeing with Dominodalek here. Plus Endless, just like Countless, would only be 2-B.
 
So, I won't be able to prepare the sandboxes for the new versions of the profiles, but we'd need them definitely as it's a pretty wide change
 
Would Dominodalek be able to do them, perhaps with help from you and others?
 
StrymULTRA said:
So, I won't be able to prepare the sandboxes for the new versions of the profiles, but we'd need them definitely as it's a pretty wide change
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According to Domino and others, creating new profiles isn't needed, just create/adjust new keys to separate Heroes stuff from Xenoverse Stuff for characters that appeared in both games
 
That's what they said, they weren't talking about making Sandboxes for new profiles, but Sandboxes for the changes needed to the current one because this will presumably be a very large task with quite the amount of changes needed.
 
Dominodalek said:
Something being "common knowledge" doesn't make it accurate.


Nope, doesn't work like that at all. Those games they adapt content from (and there aren't that many of them) are usually worked into the main timelines.


The Budokai and Budokai Tenkaichi series have pretty much nothing in common; more important however is that the latter point is factually false, neither Shin Budokai game (a separate series, for the record) are adapted or even referenced by Heroes.


We only see a handful at a time, that's hardly infinite.
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I was just pointing out what was written in the previous CRT I don't really care for the 2-A rating
 
Does anybody have any gameplay footage for God Mission 7? If Demigra actually did absorb Tokitoki, then he would be 2-B, which sucks because I really wanted to rate early Heroes characters below 3-A.
 
Only people that don't escape to toki absorbed demigar would've be 2-B, everyone who scales is solid 2-B
 
Actually, I looked into it further.

"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread - Page 337 • Kanzenshuu

www.kanzenshuu.com www.kanzenshuu.com
Essentially...
  • Demon God Demigra sends a mind-controlled Great Ape Gohan to 75 Million Before Age. Gohan is defeated and returned to normal.
  • The party encounters Young Demigra, who views them as a hinderance, and engages in battle. Young Demigra is defeated and flees.
  • After defeating Young Demigra, the party encounters Young Chronoa who attacks them, before realizing her mistake and asking for their help.
  • Demon God Demigra reveals himself and scolds Young Demigra for not just taking Tokitoki's power instead of experimenting with the bird.
  • Demon God Demigra, wanting to strike back, powers up Young Demigra, and they all battle, with the Time Patrol being victorious.
  • After being defeated, Demon God Demigra retreats to his original era through the wormhole he created.
Nothing in the dialogue suggests that Young Demigra absorbed Tokitoki—if he really did absorb Tokitoki, you would think that Demon God Demigra or Chronoa would explicitly point that out. Young Demigra's appearance was also unaltered, and he was under the effects of Hyper Tension, which is just the state in which one is brimming with energy (とうき間気がみなぎっている…！), as Demon God Demigra powered him up.

So yeah, Young Demigra never absorbed Tokitoki—also, why would Demon God Demigra just willingly give up that power to a more inexperienced version of himself that he openly chastised for making stupid decisions—meaning he does not scale to 2-B, meaning—horray! I can downgrade them to Tier 3!
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Actually, I looked into it further.

"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread - Page 337 • Kanzenshuu

www.kanzenshuu.com www.kanzenshuu.com
Essentially...
  • Demon God Demigra sends a mind-controlled Great Ape Gohan to 75 Million Before Age. Gohan is defeated and returned to normal.
  • The party encounters Young Demigra, who views them as a hinderance, and engages in battle. Young Demigra is defeated and flees.
  • After defeating Young Demigra, the party encounters Young Chronoa who attacks them, before realizing her mistake and asking for their help.
  • Demon God Demigra reveals himself and scolds Young Demigra for not just taking Tokitoki's power instead of experimenting with the bird.
  • Demon God Demigra, wanting to strike back, powers up Young Demigra, and they all battle, with the Time Patrol being victorious.
  • After being defeated, Demon God Demigra retreats to his original era through the wormhole he created.
Nothing in the dialogue suggests that Young Demigra absorbed Tokitoki—if he really did absorb Tokitoki, you would think that Demon God Demigra or Chronoa would explicitly point that out. Young Demigra's appearance was also unaltered, and he was under the effects of Hyper Tension, which is just the state in which one is brimming with energy (とうき間気がみなぎっている…！), as Demon God Demigra powered him up.

So yeah, Young Demigra never absorbed Tokitoki—also, why would Demon God Demigra just willingly give up that power to a more inexperienced version of himself that he openly chastised for making stupid decisions—meaning he does not scale to 2-B, meaning—horray! I can downgrade them to Tier 3!
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you bastard
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Actually, I looked into it further.

"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread - Page 337 • Kanzenshuu

www.kanzenshuu.com www.kanzenshuu.com
Essentially...
  • Demon God Demigra sends a mind-controlled Great Ape Gohan to 75 Million Before Age. Gohan is defeated and returned to normal.
  • The party encounters Young Demigra, who views them as a hinderance, and engages in battle. Young Demigra is defeated and flees.
  • After defeating Young Demigra, the party encounters Young Chronoa who attacks them, before realizing her mistake and asking for their help.
  • Demon God Demigra reveals himself and scolds Young Demigra for not just taking Tokitoki's power instead of experimenting with the bird.
  • Demon God Demigra, wanting to strike back, powers up Young Demigra, and they all battle, with the Time Patrol being victorious.
  • After being defeated, Demon God Demigra retreats to his original era through the wormhole he created.
Nothing in the dialogue suggests that Young Demigra absorbed Tokitoki—if he really did absorb Tokitoki, you would think that Demon God Demigra or Chronoa would explicitly point that out. Young Demigra's appearance was also unaltered, and he was under the effects of Hyper Tension, which is just the state in which one is brimming with energy (とうき間気がみなぎっている…！), as Demon God Demigra powered him up.

So yeah, Young Demigra never absorbed Tokitoki—also, why would Demon God Demigra just willingly give up that power to a more inexperienced version of himself that he openly chastised for making stupid decisions—meaning he does not scale to 2-B, meaning—horray! I can downgrade them to Tier 3!
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Reasons as to why this will never happen

1. Domino's word holds more weight as he's one of the most highly experienced and well known intellectuals on the topic of DBH and according to him Absorption did occur and happen, which btw he does.

2. Your points don't properly add up as it seems to been specifically chosen and tailored to leave out TokiToki absorption and essentially saying because Demigra never outright say YES TOKI TOKI HAS BEEN ABSORBED which btw no character in DB states nor does that neither did DBXV Demigra when he absorbed Toki Toki and because he never went through any visible change which if I remember correctly neither did XV Demigra. Your entire point rests on assumptions where the opposite can be true as well and nothing definitive exists as all is evaluation is based on perception and your perception is to perceive it as it didn't happen

3. Mechikabura, Cumber, Vegito and Fu multi scaling still exists so literally nothing will come from this

4. Off site evaluations by independent groups isn't allowed on VBW. For your claim to be valid you would have to call the person who made that claim/point onsite and have them come debate and make themselves clear, otherwise it's treated as one man's opinion and then dismissed. And your entire argument seems to be made by a post a non member made years ago to just give a brief summary and evaluation on what he believes in his opinion his happening. so really a losing argument
 
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Just a note that "endless" is not the same as "countless". The former is a synonym for infinite, whereas the latter just means that it is impossible for anybody to count that high.

Anyway, @Dominodalek would you be willing to try to organise this project please?
 
Antvasima said:
Just a note that "endless" is not the same as "countless". The former is a synonym for infinite, whereas the latter just means that it is impossible for anybody to count that high.
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But for our purposes in this case, "countless" and "endless", both take you only till 2-B. For 2-A we need a direct "infinite".
 
Antvasima said:
Just a note that "endless" is not the same as "countless". The former is a synonym for infinite, whereas the latter just means that it is impossible for anybody to count that high.
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Quickly googling the word “endless” told me it can used as a synonym for countless or innumerable. “Endless” doesn’t sound like enough for 2-A on its own
 
i agree with the others.

countless does not necessarily mean an infinite. its just too many to count so it pretty sure its still finite.
 
Hmm. I am uncertain. From my experience endless means the same thing as infinite, whereas countless does not. The dictionary issue is very strange to me.
 
Here is something that I found:

forum.wordreference.com

Endless vs Infinite

Are they completely interchangeable, or there are some cases where I must use only one particular of them?
forum.wordreference.com forum.wordreference.com

It seems like you are correct.
 
Antvasima said:
Hmm. I am uncertain. From my experience endless means the same thing as infinite, whereas countless does not. The dictionary issue is very strange to me.
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Endless means infinite more times than it doesn't, to my knowledge.

Though the DBZ cosmology+ Crimson/Goku Black's statements of visiting countless timelines leads to 2-B
 
Okay. Never mind then.
 
Antvasima said:
Hmm. I am uncertain. From my experience endless means the same thing as infinite, whereas countless does not. The dictionary issue is very strange to me.
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It depends on which dictionary your using
But yes I do remember that Endless and Infinite are synonyms are essentially synonyms.

Reason being both terms essentially operate the same way as Infinite has no beginning and no end hence endless

And depending on what it is endless may or may not have a point of origin but no point of ending

Endless itself isn't finite because for something to be finite it must have a definitive end whether that end is known or unknown

But for endless, such a definitive end fundamentally doesn't exist
And once something isn't finite it's infinite in a way

So that's why Endless and Infinite are synonyms.


But on this site Endless is pretty much treated as Transfinite 2B
 
Hmm. I personally think that you make sense, but what about the link that I found above?
 
Okay, and what would fit best in this case?
 
Okay. Do they not share the same multiverse though?
 
Heroes cosmology is definitely based off of Xenoverse's cosmology that much is true so imo they're share mostly the same cosmology

Edit: They're also extremely similar compared to each other.
 
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From what I can see after reading these debates, it seems that Heroes has it cosmology based in Xenoverse, but they actually dont share the same cosmology of it
 
They share similarities, but have no actually statements of being the same and Heroes is missing key evidence for Xenoverses Ratings.
 
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