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[Udlmaster]

You mean at least 1-C possibly High 1-C?

I was putting it in the same way Qa was.

 

[Qawsedf234]

You mean at least 1-C possibly High 1-C?

More or less yeah

 

[Udlmaster]

So then, now we have it all done, can I go and make the pages?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Literally has nothing to do with it.

Are you going to adress me or make ad-homimum attacks?

Because you just seem like you're dismissing my claims because: "Untrustworthy"

Not an ad hominen. You have proven to have a considerably liberal interpretation of these characters and their powers that does not match the actual text and which is prone to wank.

So I don't trust you to make the edits.

 

[Udlmaster]

Literally has nothing to do with it.

Are you going to adress me or make ad-homimum attacks?

Because you just seem like you're dismissing my claims because: "Untrustworthy"

Not an ad hominen. You have proven to have a considerably liberal interpretation of these characters and their powers that does not match the actual text and which is prone to wank.
So I don't trust you to make the edits.

1. That is a Ad hominen, you're not willing to listen to one's interpretation based on saying I wank WoD? (Which I haven't done, my original conclusion is literally the one we've gotten too)

2. Doesn't matter, me making edits has nothing to do with me "wanking" at all, because I'm making a profile, like, what do you think I'm going to do? Put the Mages as outversal even though I've said more than once that I'm putting Mages as Star level, and the top tiers as At least 8-D, likely 11-D.

 

[Kepekley23]

Good job with that RT, at least 8-D looks good. 11-D I disagree with because it's based on string theory.

 

[Udlmaster]

Good job with that RT, at least 8-D looks good. 11-D I disagree with because it's based on string theory.

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Kep, it's not based on String theory, keep up.

 

[Kepekley23]

I see no 11 D statements in the RT

 

[Udlmaster]

Like I said, it's stated the realms are transcendant, so, if we just go with an extreme low ball and say it only applies to the Regions, Low, Mid and High Umbra, that's still 11-D.

 

[Rocker1189]

I have no dog in this fight but simply stating transcendent makes something 11-D?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

That's assumption.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I meeeeean, I don't think there are real reasons to assume transcendence

 

[Udlmaster]

I meeeeean, I don't think there are real reasons to assume transcendence

BRUH!

"Indeed, mages who pass beyond the boundaries of each path leave this existence for a higher or lower plane, transcending or decending from existence as most mages know it."

https://imgur.com/r3FkQS6

"When your mind transcends concrete realities, you drift to the top of the spires, to the Epiphamies where our most abstract concepts take symbolic form."

https://imgur.com/Tylvmoh

What do you mean assumption are you looking at, do you need new glasses?

 

[Udlmaster]

I have no dog in this fight but simply stating transcendent makes something 11-D?

No, it states that there are transcendant realms, and that they get more transcendant/bent Reality gets.

Assuming the low ball of the regions being the transcendant parts, then that would mean that there is 11-D.

 

[Udlmaster]

So, can I go through with this so we can end this pedantic charade.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Kep needs to weigh in again and Matt disagrees. You may need to make a "Agree/Disagree/Neutral" list

 

[Udlmaster]

To be fair, Matt isn't giving reasonable reasons, saying: "Assumptions" when it's clearer than day it says transcendence.

So far, there hasn't been a rebuttle to it.

 

[Antvasima]

Would just using 8-D/1-C be acceptable?

 

[Udlmaster]

Would just using 8-D/1-C be acceptable?

I'll be okay with 1-C, possibly High 1-C.

As, if we didn't, we'd be intentionally downplaying the character, playing ignorent to knowledge we know very much about.

And using purely 8-D is a argument that I've already debunked on why it shouldn't be used at all.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, but it seems like Matthew and Kepekley disagree.

 

[Udlmaster]

Okay, but it seems like Matthew and Kepekley disagree.

Matthew seems to disagree for the sake of disagreeing, not giving a reason that I haven't debunked and Kepekley was just uninformed.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I am not well-versed in this topic, so it would be inappropriate if I tried to overrule them. It is best if you try to compromise after polite conversation and analysis.

 

[Udlmaster]

Well, I am not well-versed in this topic, so it would be inappropriate if I tried to overrule them. It is best if you try to compromise after polite conversation and analysis.

I understand that, however, it grows frustrating when random accusations like that the transcendance is speculation when it's never been speculation, or people ignoring the fact that Superstring theory isn't just something that occured, but was in fact created on a Platonic level.

These have been ignored, and they're wondering why I am growing tired of it.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Patience is a key to get anywhere with revisions in this wiki though. I recurrently have to wait for years myself until I find somebody competent that is able and willing to handle them.

 

[Udlmaster]

Okay. Patience is a key to get anywhere with revisions in this wiki though. I recurrently have to wait for years myself until I find somebody competent that is able and willing to handle them.

Well, we do have someone else, Hadou, who will help me.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Would just using 8-D/1-C be acceptable?

I think it's the safest and most acceptable via evidence.

 

[Udlmaster]

Would just using 8-D/1-C be acceptable?

I think it's the safest and most acceptable via evidence.

Absolutely not.

I've refuted and debunked any point you've made thus far.

If you refuse to bring up proper points, can you stop trying to downplay the verse?

 

[Kepekley23]

Transcendant over what, exactly?

If the realms themselves are 8-D, then yes, they are transcendant over lower-D structures in the same verse. That wouldnn't mean anything in regards to 11-D, however.

If the realms themselves transcend a 8-D structure, that'd only be 9-D in the low end, unless there are realms that even further transcend the 9-D ones and so on.

 

[Udlmaster]

Transcendant over what, exactly?

If the realms themselves are 8-D, then yes, they are transcendant over lower-D structures in the same verse. That wouldnn't mean anything in regards to 11-D, however.

If the realms themselves transcend a 8-D structure, that'd only be 9-D in the low end, unless there are realms that even further transcend the 9-D ones and so on.

The Mundane realm is 8-D, then there's three regions, Low, Mid and High Umbra, then, these realms of described as Transcendant, we know they're transcendant over each other because they then say they can then transcend or descend further.

This is in reference to the Realms.

So if we low ball it, and say Realms = Regions, then there's 3 Regions, meaning 3 levels of Transcendance, at least.

 

[Kepekley23]

How does that fit in with 8-D?

Is 8-D the baseline realm that is transcended by these three realms?

 

[Udlmaster]

How does that fit in with 8-D?
Is 8-D the baseline realm that is transcended by these three realms?

The 8-D realm is the Mundane Realm, to which these three realms are transcendant over.

 

[Udlmaster]

How does that fit in with 8-D?
Is 8-D the baseline realm that is transcended by these three realms?

Then not even just this, there's then scaling from the Mage's, where they created the Platonic concept of Quantum Physics, they created the 11th Dimension so it may exist in the first place.

 

[Kepekley23]

Ah, I see. Likely 11-D for those who scale to the highest realm makes sense then, if it's true transcendence.

 

[Udlmaster]

Ah, I see. Likely 11-D for those who scale to the highest realm makes sense then, if it's true transcendence.

Yeah, that's what I was advocating for, I was advocating for "At least 1-C, likely High 1-C"

The One Giver (God), Cain, Lilith, Archmages, Angels, Demons and possibly the Gods (But I won't make a profile for them because they're not noteworthy in the slightest) all scale to this.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I think likely 11D seems fine for those who scale to the higher realms of the Umbra, assuming the Multiverse is 8D. If I recall correctly it is said that they are higher levels of consciousness, and that physically ascending throughout them is impossible, so I think assuming they are levels of transcendence is reasonable.

The description of the Vulgate (The lowest level of the Umbra, it seems) also uses the Allegory of the Cave to describe how it is transcendent over lower realms, and the Spires are the aforementioned Higher Level of Consciouness which ascends beyond the Vulgate and into Infinity. So this is also good evidence.

 

[Udlmaster]

I think likely 11D seems fine for those who scale to the higher realms of the Umbra, assuming the Multiverse is 8D. If I recall correctly it is said that they are higher levels of consciousness, and that physically ascending throughout them is impossible, so I think assuming they are levels of transcendence is reasonable.
The description of the Vulgate (The lowest level of the Umbra, it seems) also uses the Allegory of the Cave to describe how it is transcendent over lower realms, and the Spires are the aforementioned Higher Level of Consciouness which ascends beyond the Vulgate and into Infinity. So this is also good evidence.

Nice.

So, we have 3 (Me, Qa, Ultima) for yes.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

count me in

 

[Antvasima]

Kepekley also seems to have agreed.

 

[Udlmaster]

So, currently, it's

5 (Setsuna Tenma, Me, Ultima, Kepekley) to 0.

So, is this enough then? To allow me to go through?

 

[Udlmaster]

So, any denials?

Anything people think is wrong or forever hold your piece.