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[Antvasima]

I think that the page currently uses "possibly higher" or something similar.

 

[Udlmaster]

For those not seeing the part I am talking about:

"Why would the names God or Infinity be unspeakable? The reason many religions forbid speaking the name of their God is because those religions consider divinity to be beyond definition; to name it is to limit it... and thus, to insult it."

Also, there's this: https://imgur.com/7ibwLSH

Then there's the Mage's who can become the Storyteller (GM/DM/etc.) who sees the verse as nothing more than fiction, these guy's draw their power from God, and once more, God is stated to be the supreme being of the Verse: https://imgur.com/b4KdNMe

There's also this as well, stating there's an unknown amount of higher Dimensions in which the Sons of Ether travel through, and that the Technocracy sees this as irrelevent information: https://imgur.com/7xoprwH

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

We did see it, you don't need to repeat it, we just don't think it warrants any higher possibility.

And no need to use such language either.

 

[Udlmaster]

Such language?

 

[Antvasima]

Thr c-word. It is forbidden by Fandom.

 

[Udlmaster]

Really?

It seems like a incredibly minor word?

Eitherway, it was directed to myself, because of a lack of definite listed dimensions again.

Anyway, I think I've proven there can be more dimensions than just 11.

 

[Antvasima]

I have adjusted the word filter, so it should block all instances of both c-words from now on.

Don't take any chances though.

 

[Qawsedf234]

1-C, possibly High 1-C looks good for now imo.

 

[Udlmaster]

With there being no stated limit to dimensions (Even specifically stated to be unknown, to salt my wounds) I think "possibly far higher" makes sense, with the addition with the Mage's ability to see into Higher Dimensions, with there being no stated limit to it.

And then there' version 5 which will be coming out sooner or later which may give statements on how many dimensions there are.

 

[Qawsedf234]

If you find more stuff I can see others accepting the possibly far higher, but for now let's just stick with the suggested rating rather than drag out this longer.

 

[Udlmaster]

I don't mind removing it, I'm just saying, there is justification for it.

Also, I am missing a few things for God as well.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Waiiiiit why does god have high godly and the ability to negate it

 

[Udlmaster]

Waiiiiit why does god have high godly and the ability to negate it

Surviving Paradise's destruction (Where Paradise was all creation)

Surviving in a Void stated to erase them, and deny existence, which is then stated to be equal to God in size.

Surviving being erased in all Dimensions

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Links?

 

[Udlmaster]

Surviving Paradise's destruction (Where Paradise was all creation)

Surviving in a Void stated to erase them, and deny existence, which is then stated to be equal to God in size.

Surviving being erased in all Dimensions (This is for Demons/Angels, however, these beings are just fragments of God )

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

That's not high godly.


That's at most like, mid godly.

 

[Udlmaster]

That's not high godly.
That's at most like, mid godly.

Surviving the destruction of everything is High-Godly

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The scan you gave is WAAAAAY too vague to mean high godly dude.

 

[Udlmaster]

What is vague that Paradise:

1. Gave everything nigh-Infinite Meaning and layers.

2. Paradise was everything

Like, Zach, I know you like to Downplay, but you can stop now, because it's just getting obnxious.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

"Nigh infinite meaning"

Ironically, this statement has no meaning

"Paradise was everything"

It was the first thing to exist, that's all.

 

[Udlmaster]

"Nigh infinite meaning"
Ironically, this statement has no meaning

"Paradise was everything"

It was the first thing to exist, that's all.

1. This literally shows you haven't bothered to read the Screenshots at all.

2. No, it wasn't, this literally shows you've read NOTHING about the verse and are not knowledgable on the verse to pass judgement what so ever.

Paradice wasn't the first thing in the verse, not at all.

It was created after The Tellurian.

 

[Elizhaa]

1. This literally shows you haven't bothered to read the Screenshots at all.

2. No, it wasn't, this literally shows you've read NOTHING about the verse and are not knowledgable on the verse to pass judgement what so ever.

Udlmaster, I understand that your invested but these points above are Fallacy Red Herring. There are not arguments.

 

[Udlmaster]

1. This literally shows you haven't bothered to read the Screenshots at all.

2. No, it wasn't, this literally shows you've read NOTHING about the verse and are not knowledgable on the verse to pass judgement what so ever.

Udlmaster, I understand that your invested but these points above are Fallacy Red Herring. There are not arguments.

It's not even that, Zach isn't reading the scans, I've given him, he's doing this on another thread, literally doing it intentionally to gain a rise out of me, other people even debunked him before even I did.

It's so bad that KingofNegativity debunked him and underlined it before even I could point it out.

 

[Elizhaa]

Like, Zach, I know you like to Downplay, but you can stop now, because it's just getting obnxious.

1. This literally shows you haven't bothered to read the Screenshots at all.

2. No, it wasn't, this literally shows you've read NOTHING about the verse and are not knowledgable on the verse to pass judgement what so ever.

Udlmaster, I understand that your invested but these points above are Fallacy like Red Herring and Appeal to motive. They are not arguments and too many of these fallacies can get you ban according to the Site Rules.

 

[The_Causality]

I Love the robotic answer you give

Really

 

[Elizhaa]

I guess a bad glitch for the post

 

[Elizhaa]

I Love the robotic answer you give

Really

They are not OvO and I can't ban with this type of response!

 

[Udlmaster]

Well, to be fair:

Fallacy fallacy : Just because there is a fallacy, doesn't mean they're wrong.

Like, I'm not going to give Zach a personal lession on World of Darkness, when he can just read the above thread, it's getting increasingly annoying because he's doing this on other threads.

If anything, Zach is making Non-Sequiter and the Argument from Ignorence.

As for some random reason he's saying that Paradise was the first thing? Based on absolutely nothing and this:

""Oh, does it not ?"

Touhou has a reason for that though."

Ignoring the reasoning literally given on the page.

And, I know, the tu qoeque fallacy, but if I am getting it in the neck, then so can the other.

 

[Elizhaa]

if debunked and he does not bring proper or new reasoning, Zach is making an argument from Argumentum ad nauseum, or argument from repetition. In any case, Zach can't do commit Fallacy anymore otherwise he could be subject to being ban from the wiki. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2402480#264

You try should evaluate Zach's reasonings, independently from his past.

 

[Udlmaster]

if debunked and he does not bring proper or new reasoning, Zach is making an argument from Argumentum ad nauseum, or argument from repetition.In any case, Zach can't do commit Fallacy anymore otherwise he could be subject to being ban from the wiki.
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2402480#264

You try should evaluate Zach's reasonings, independently from his past.

I have, and Zach is still doing it:

Could you please come to this thread, where this is all happening?: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2459594

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I veeeeeery much want to see more of Matt's input

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I don't see anything above Mid-Godly there.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Matt to the rescue!

 

[Wokistan]

The first thing could be decent, but it doesn't say that god survived the destruction of creation. Only that it was destroyed.

The second is EE resistance or NEP.

Being erased on multiple levels of existence isn't high godly by default. It'd kill high godlies who don't have feats on that level if it includes transcendent planes or something, but rezzing from that would just get you really good mid godly.

 

[Udlmaster]

The first thing could be decent, but it doesn't say that god survived the destruction of creation. Only that it was destroyed.
The second is EE resistance or NEP.

Being erased on multiple levels of existence isn't high godly by default. It'd kill high godlies who don't have feats on that level if it includes transcendent planes or something, but rezzing from that would just get you really good mid godly.

We know God survived as Paradise is apart of the Tellurian/encompasses it, God is so powerful that he cannot interact with it because he'd destroy it, let alone dying from destroying a part of it.

And we know that the Angel's survived because Lucifer is still wandering the Earth, depowered.

NER?

When it says All Dimensions, it means Spatio-Temporal dimensions, as it's in reference to the Technocrats and their Dimensional science.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

God surviving the destruction of Paradise isn't even Regenerationn, it is durability, I doubt she would have to reform from the destruction of something she views as infinitesimal, same thing with the Angels, unless it is explicitly stated that they reformed from it.

Surviving in a reality-denying Void is Resistance to Void Manipulation, though it seems pretty interesting, since I remember seeing a scan stating the Angels created the "superficial" Nothingness, and that the Void before was something even more primal and chaotic.

Not sure about the third one

 

[Udlmaster]

God surviving the destruction of Paradise isn't even Regenerationn, it is durability, I doubt she would have to reform from the destruction of something she views as infinitesimal, same thing with the Angels, unless it is explicitly stated that they reformed from it.
Surviving in a reality-denying Void is Resistance to Void Manipulation, though it seems pretty interesting, since I remember seeing a scan stating the Angels created the "superficial" Nothingness, and that the Void before was something even more primal and chaotic.

Not sure about the third one

True for the full power Angels, but Lucifer would have to have the regen for it, as he's depowered at this time, same for the Demons, as they are slightly weaker than the Angels, as they no longer draw their power from God.

I went over the Void stuff with Dragon before, but with the new information, it could be higher than Mid-Godly.

 

[Wokistan]

Yeah and I'm saying this sort of 11D Erasure would kill a lot of high godlies, but regenning from it is just really strong mid. To get high, they'd need to survive the Erasure of the entire 11D structure, not just themselves.

 

[Udlmaster]

So, basically, the crutch for this is the Paradise part then?

 

[Antvasima]

@Nedge

Making fallacy arguments is not enough to get somebody banned, unless it is done in a very trolling manner.

Anyway, I think that Ultima Reality makes sense.