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World of Darkness revisions

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The reason why string theory isn't an actual scientific theory is because strings, and the extra dimensions it proposes, are a bit smaller or as small as a Planck length. It's so tiny small that there is literally no way to verify their existence. And, if they exist, they compose the entire universe, making every atom 11-D in a way.
 
Kepekley23 said:
The reason why string theory isn't an actual scientific theory is because strings, and the extra dimensions it proposes, are a bit smaller or as small as a Planck length. It's so tiny small that there is literally no way to verify their existence. And, if they exist, they compose the entire universe, making every atom 11-D in a way.
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How interesting.

I've never looked at it that way.
 
@Saikou

Brane Cosmology states that gravity can function and exists in both the three dimensional world contained inside a "brane", and all throughout it. Which means, assuming you treat a brane as a 4-D+ construct, then gravity itself could also technically be considered one. Which is accurate, but our own system goes by the notion that 4-D beings are fully transcendent of normal 3-D ones.

Sera says mainline string theory is a different beast that we do not tackle in our own system, and I would be willing to believe her going by the track record of our system.
 
@Kepekley23

I could look for Brane Cosmology in World of Darkness?

And the 11-D stuff isn't based solely on the Superstring theory stuff. It's just based on scaling from Azzy himself.

I added it because I thought it was something worthy of noting.
 
It sounds like we likely have to revise our standards regarding string theory at some point in the future then.

I am not sure what we should do for the moment regarding this particular verse though.
 
Antvasima said:
It sounds like we likely have to revise our standards regarding string theory at some point in the future then.
I am not sure what we should do for the moment regarding this particular verse though.
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I don't mind it following the new example, saves taking it out later.

And with some help, It can be used as an example.
 
It's not as if we strictly adhere to science anyway. 1-C, High 1-C and Low 1-B are all based on this misinterpretation of string theory, changing it would require modifying the tiering system so might as well just leave it.
 
Well, we probably do need to modify it at some point, but need a plan of approach regarding how to do so in a constructive fashion. I think that Sera planned to do so eventually.
 
I am not sure. It depends on what the rest of the staff think. Perhaps we should use the 11 string theory dimensions for the time being and revise it all later together with other franchises that use the concept?
 
We should probably have it consistent if that justification is used for other profiles, but as others have said above, that justification can't be used for our tiering system as we don't consider spatial dimensions as working in a comparable way to how higher dimensions are considered outside of geometry.
 
Does 8-D have more than the chessboard thing? Because that sounds off to use as a tier justification. If it's legitimate then 8-D, possibly 11-D works under the current tier assumptions
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Does 8-D have more than the chessboard thing? Because that sounds off to use as a tier justification. If it's legitimate then 8-D, possibly 11-D works under the current tier assumptions
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Well, semantically, yes.

You see, if we assume that he did experience it, even if it was in his head, then it exists in the High Umbra.

As the High Umbra is the realm of Literal thought, and with every thought becoming reality, then because he's had the idea of fighting in a 8-D Chessboard, fighting against Chaos, then that means it exists within the High Umbra.
 
Kepekley23 said:
@Saikou
Brane Cosmology states that gravity can function and exists in both the three dimensional world contained inside a "brane", and all throughout it. Which means, assuming you treat a brane as a 4-D+ construct, then gravity itself could also technically be considered one. Which is accurate, but our own system goes by the notion that 4-D beings are fully transcendent of normal 3-D ones.

Sera says mainline string theory is a different beast that we do not tackle in our own system, and I would be willing to believe her going by the track record of our system.
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I am with Kep here.

No to High 1-C. Yes to 1-C.
 
Okay. I suppose that might be what we will go with then.
 
The High 1-C part isn't in relation to the Superstring theory.

It comes from Scaling Azzy gave, so perhaps we could wait for Azzy?
 
If he's already given the scaling explanation just copy paste what he said
 
Oh, there's also this:

"In the Beginning, before Paradise was destroyed, Creation consisted of an almost infinite levels of meaning. Every object possessed multiple levels of existence -- a sword might also be a song, a rose, a spirit and a philosophy, and it all existed as all of these things at the same time."

https://imgur.com/wkqJ3m1
 
After reading what you mentioned @Udlmaster, I agree with everything so far except for the fact that superstring theory is 10-D, not 11-D (this doesn't mean their High 1-C tier is disproven because you already know the answer why).

@Matthew "I disagree with High 1-C via superstring theory as M-Theory / String theory dimensions are shrunken to the quantum size and not at all like the geometric dimensions we use in our tiering system.

In addition, the only quote related to that is this:

"And if this sounds like an outmoded idea, look up the quantum physics concept of superstring theory… an idea that also echoes the Tapestry metaphor." - Mage the Ascention 20th Anniversary edition

This is not remotely sufficient prove to upgrade a verse from Low 1-C to High 1-C and I reject it."

What I noticed when reading about string theory is that it needs to rely on other theories to specify the specific number of confirmed dimensions, so if it mentioned string theory by itself instead of superstring theory, then I would have also agreed with your viewpoint but since it mentions superstring theory instead (a theory confirming 10 dimensions), I would have to agree with both the OP & Saikou's explanation in this case then.
 
Kepekley23 said:
The reason why string theory isn't an actual scientific theory is because strings, and the extra dimensions it proposes, are a bit smaller or as small as a Planck length. It's so tiny small that there is literally no way to verify their existence. And, if they exist, they compose the entire universe, making every atom 11-D in a way.
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Tfw I never thought about it that way before.

My point exactly why it relies on other theories like M-Theory, Superstring theory, and bosonic string theory to specify a specific number of dimensions because of this. I mean, if only the term "string theory" is mentioned, how can you tell which theory of the ones I mentioned it's referring to in general?
 
It specifically states Superstring theory.

Planck length is also stated to exist,
 
So, a few things I got for you lot:

Firstly, remember when I was talking about the 5-D object? Well, I found it, it states it exists in "AT LEAST" 5 dimensions, likely many more.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/517554428090384394/517609886679302154/unknown.png

It also has under and over dimensions?

Additionally, further Platonic ideas:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/517554428090384394/517609266002133008/unknown.png

Mages, Werewolves, etc. can all interact with the Narrative (Even Hypernarrative):

https://i.imgur.com/KxsixVd.png

The Technocrats have weapons that can erase people across all Dimensions:

https://i.imgur.com/ZJRWlR3.png

Each realm is transcendant of the other:

https://i.imgur.com/r3FkQS6.png

Mages have INSANE Power Null, being able to rip all the powers away from Ghosts, Mages, Werewolves etc. :

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...03855450505228/Screenshot_20181016-230355.png

Mages can negate spells that target them by hiding their true name:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/517554428090384394/517586796620677132/IMG_20181129_002521.jpg

Mages furthermore, have insanely powerful abilities like being able to create ananke:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...71939041280000/Screenshot_20181017-160725.png

Ananke is a very powerful, the first word in the brief for it says that: "Space and time cannot limit masters of Magic.":

https://imgur.com/k1nayeP

Mage's can make their hax passive:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...72074831609876/Screenshot_20181017-160507.png

Ain Sof:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/517554428090384394/517570425438470215/unknown.png

^ I thought it would be fun to throw him in.

The Heavens are beyond the Supernal:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...68139190337546/Screenshot_20181018-132400.png

What is the Supernal? Well, they're a realm of nigh-infinite Platonic truths:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...60927042666497/Screenshot_20181018-012547.png

The Supernal realm is so abstract that Mages filter it with their Gnostic, which allows them to alter the laws to ones they can understand:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...56623246491669/Screenshot_20181016-071320.png

The Abyss is beyond measurement, actively negating existence:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...62672322183188/Screenshot_20181018-133135.png

The emodiments of the Archetypes:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...61639105462294/Screenshot_20181018-063043.png

The Mages have passive Fate Manipulation to protect them:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/517554428090384394/517555578231455745/IMG_20181018_014715.jpg

Mages can manipulate Platonic forms, for example, the Platonic form of a Computer to make it better:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...54885902729276/Screenshot_20181016-062228.png
 
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I feel you dont listen to me.

TO be fair, it's getting no attention, and the quicker I can get the final verdict the quicker I can complete the profiles.

To be fair, you alone are carrying this revision and there are not knowledgeable members besides you. So... BE PATIENT.
 
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