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World of Darkness revisions

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Udlmaster said:
Then not even just this, there's then scaling from the Mage's, where they created the Platonic concept of Quantum Physics, they created the 11th Dimension so it may exist in the first place.
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Show me evidence with scans.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Udlmaster said:
Then not even just this, there's then scaling from the Mage's, where they created the Platonic concept of Quantum Physics, they created the 11th Dimension so it may exist in the first place.
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Show me evidence with scans.
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...59710113005571/Screenshot_20181130-010652.png

^ The Statement

v Supporting feats about Platonic concepts.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/517554428090384394/517609266002133008/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...60927042666497/Screenshot_20181018-012547.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...54885902729276/Screenshot_20181016-062228.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...60315015659520/Screenshot_20181130-010936.png
 
How's that?

Can we wrap all this up then?

5 - 0

So I may start working on the profiles?
 
"

"In the Beginning, before Paradise was destroyed, Creation consisted of an almost infinite levels of meaning. Every object possessed multiple levels of existence -- a sword might also be a song, a rose, a spirit and a philosophy, and it all existed as all of these things at the same time."

https://imgur.com/wkqJ3m1"

How wouldn't this atleast qualify for 1-B? I am going to be honest here, most verses have much vaguer explanations of the cosmology like this yet they still achieve said tier, I really don't get it.

There is also the fact that, God himself is literally infinite infinities, which is obviously meant to be a reference to cantors infinite higher levels of infinity, which is undoubtedly high 1-B.

I haven't really fully read this thread so excuse me if I am mentioning something already said, But it is also made VERY clear That God from WoD and the Angels created everything.

All stems of quantum mechanics, mathematics, etc. They quite literally created all concepts and ideas within the verse, including things such as platonic concepts, Jungian psychology, etc.

Though props to Udlmaster, This verse really deserves profiles and its gonna be quite hard to tier every character.
 
Hykuu said:
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"In the Beginning, before Paradise was destroyed, Creation consisted of an almost infinite levels of meaning. Every object possessed multiple levels of existence -- a sword might also be a song, a rose, a spirit and a philosophy, and it all existed as all of these things at the same time."

https://imgur.com/wkqJ3m1"

How wouldn't this atleast qualify for 1-B? I am going to be honest here, most verses have much vaguer explanations of the cosmology like this yet they still achieve said tier, I really don't get it.

There is also the fact that, God himself is literally infinite infinities, which is obviously meant to be a reference to cantors infinite higher levels of infinity, which is undoubtedly high 1-B.
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While I originally thought this myself, it's more so that everything had infinite meaning, like, basically, the Law of Identity wasn't around yet, so 1 = 1, but 1 = 2, 3 4, etc.

Everything had infinite meaning because the Law of Identity wasn't around yet.
 
I was more so thinking of it like this

It was a time before concepts were created, where a pencil itself didn't have a concept to identify itself with, as you said, a identity. Basically, there wasn't any concept which would make the statement of "this pencil is a pen" true, as the pen essentially was anything.

But yeah, there are also some things that suggest the verse has infinite dimensions regardless.
 
We could always have it as:

"At least 1-C, likely High 1-C, possibly Much Higher"
 
"The Infinite of Infinities" is just a title given to God by the Angels, and having "infinite levels of meaning" seems to simply mean that Creation was unstabilized and things didn't have concepts or meanings through which they could be defined as, hence a Sword could be a philosophy, but also a rose and an infinitude of other things and concepts, as both of you pointed out.

This really doesn't warrant High 1-B, both Doctor Who and The Elder Scrolls have concepts that are similar, if not identical to this one (The Dvapara Yuga and the Dawn Era respectively), and they are not rated this high due to them.

Creating Platonic Objects is not an 1-A feat by itself unless they are portrayed as being 1-A in the setting. Otherwise all of SMT is 1-A because there are Hindu Gods which are created through Myth and Observation shaping reality in the setting. Heck, the very fact said Platonic Forms are created proves they are not True Platonic Forms.
 
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There is more than just a title, as we know the Angels are the smallest fragment of God, the faintest echo of his true power, to the extent that they were made to only create Creation and not instantly destroy it.

There is another statement from somewhere else but I've forgotten it.
 
But anyway, can we go through with the revisions, we can discuss this as I make the profiles?
 
Let's wait for Matthew to look at the scans, and try to be more patient. Revisions tend to move slowly around here.
 
I am with Ultima here, the Platonic claims on themselves mean nothing.

So no, no High 1-C via "Platonic concept of quantum physics".

The scans provided never actually say that at any point, and are really just extrapolation from Udl's part. Again he shows very liberal interpretations of the claims and again I don't trust him with the upgrades.

Also the whole "5-0" thing is very obnoxious and not even true as it is ignoring everyone who disagreed and everyone who agreed tangentially as agreeing completely, such as Ultima who disagreed with the Platonic Scaling but you count as having agreed with you.
 
High 1-C via creating Quantum Physics really means nothing, Yeah. But High 1-C due to the Three Realms which transcend the supposedly 8D Multiverse is fine by me.
 
From what I am seeing, the description of the lowest of these realms, the Vulgate, uses Plato's Allegory of the Cave to explain how it is transcendent over lower realities.

The BattleSpires are above the Vulgate and peak upwards into Infinity, and are unable to be accessed physically, as one needs to reach a Higher Level of Consciousness to reach them.

Then there is a Conceptual, Unstructured Realm called the Epiphanies, which is above both the Vulgate and the Spires.

So I think assuming they transcend each other is fine.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
I am with Ultima here, the Platonic claims on themselves mean nothing.
So no, no High 1-C via "Platonic concept of quantum physics".

The scans provided never actually say that at any point, and are really just extrapolation from Udl's part. Again he shows very liberal interpretations of the claims and again I don't trust him with the upgrades.

Also the whole "5-0" thing is very obnoxious and not even true as it is ignoring everyone who disagreed and everyone who agreed tangentially as agreeing completely, such as Ultima who disagreed with the Platonic Scaling but you count as having agreed with you.
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No, once again, you failed to read the quote I'd given you:

"Quantum physics might be the son's greatest triumph. Scientists now admit that they have a small effect on what they observe. Etherites hope to take that further, until humanity understands that they are the real architects of reality."

Again, just goes to show you have a scewed view on the verse even when I give you direct statements and I don't trust his opinion on the verse.

And the 5-0 thing is because I have debunked everyone on their issues.

They have no arguments and if they continue, then it's ad nauseum.

And yes, it is 5 - 0, Ultima disagreeing with my ADDITIONAL scaling for 11-D is very recent, before he even posted his disagreement with said supporting feat.

As for them being transcendant over each other, yes, as it then goes on to say they then transcend and decend realities.

As for the disagreement with the Platonic concept creation, fine, it's not the main argument and is just a supporting feat.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
It shouldn't be on the profile even as "supporting feat"
Should be "1-C, possibly High 1-C".
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Then it won't.

We shan't add it.
 
I suppose that the accepted changes can be applied then. The problem is just that Udlmaster's edits tend to be of low quality, and need a lot of cleanup.
 
Well, I've made a Save for God were I'm using them to create the templates before I apply them.
 
Okay. Which profiles need to be updated?
 
"At least 1-C, likely High 1-C, possibly Much Higher"

I agree with this, on another note, Good job on this thread.
 
Yeah I'm going to make blogs for them beforehand, then once they're done okay, I'll upload them
 
I'm just going to copy and paste my edit from my Blog into the page for God, I just need the page unlocked
 
Can some staff member(s) confirm that the blog content is acceptable?
 
I disagree with the "possibly much higher". Creation having once been devoid of defined Concepts and possessing infinite levels of meaning really doesn't warrant a higher tier.
 
Well it also comes from the vague explanation of the Tellurian I'll post it here when I get onto my computer
 
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
It shouldn't be on the profile even as "supporting feat"
Should be "1-C, possibly High 1-C".
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This is the most I go with, Udl is continually not accepting and pushing for things that weren't approved.
 
I don't really see "possibly higher", but likely/possibly 11D looks fine.
 
Yeah buddy, just make the 1-C, possibly High 1-C and it's all, no need to discut anymore, everyone in this thread are tired (i guess) so let's focus on the current accepted rating
 
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