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[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah nothing about this goes beyond 1-C. High 1-C alone is wrong, let alone 1-A.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

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Not even just these:

Mages are stated to be able to permamently alter parts of reality and take them beyond dimensional physics

God is stated to be able to make places beyond places and timeless time.

With each realm being stated to be transcendant over the other.

With there being things like transdimensional fields.

Then there being hyperdimenional (Beyond dimensional) theory

Sons of Ether being able to create Ether, a material that is all physical and metaphysical states at once, Etherspace being "a series of dimensions that lie outside the Consensus's "Wall of Troy" "

And even then, Science is beyond the Ether.

Oops I forgot to address these.

Quote 1: That's not what it says. The exact words are "defy conventional dimensional physics".

Quote 2: This is like really basic Tier 2 text, which God is already well beyond.

Quote 3: This, however, does seem like solid support for these realms being infinitely above/transcendent of the previous one. That's not to say it's 1-A, but it could help to support slightly higher Tier 1 ratings.

Quote 4: Transdimensional has never meant something is beyond dimensional without proper context.

Quote 5: Hyperdimensional definitely isn't 1-A unless the source material explicitly says otherwise.

Quote 6: That also does not seem to be what this says. It says that Ethers encompass partial states of material and metaphysical reality, but the purest Ether is only metaphysical.

Quote 7: Not really any sort of feat when taking the actual text of the prior quote into account.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Like I keep saying, Udl shows some very skewed and generous interpretations of the scans. Suffice to say, I don't trust his judgment.

 

[Qawsedf234]

So why exactly is the the string stuff dismissed? Aren't other franchises rated as High 1-C based off of string theory?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

So why exactly is the the string stuff dismissed? Aren't other franchises rated as High 1-C based off of string theory?

Only Homestuck, and even that has been questioned in the past

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Only Homestuck, and even that has been questioned in the past

And even now, that rating is only a "likely", and may be changed later when I or someone with more free time and focuses combs through the comic, agai.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah, Kep and others explained why the string theory doesn't give you High 1-C.

 

[Qawsedf234]

So does "1-C (Created X dimensions), possibly higher" acceptabke then? Or are we just doing 1-C

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

then downgrade homestuck god tiers to just at least 7-D

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

then downgrade homestuck god tiers to just at least 7-D

I probably will, at some point once we have fully agreed upon standards for String Theory.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Fair point, although I think more context is needed for the Plato statement. Is predating creation not a 1-A feat? Existing before all concepts were formed? I thought there were characters that were 1-A for that.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I don't think predating creation in of itself confirms a 1-A rating. If it does then there's likely dozens of verses that would get a 1-A upgrade.

 

[Udlmaster]

I'm not arguing for 1-A, I'm just say there is arguments for it.

And for the final time.

High 1-C doesn't come from Superstring theory.

Stop using it as a argument for non-High 1-C

 

[Elizhaa]

I'm not arguing for 1-A, I'm just say there is arguments for it.
And for the final time.

High 1-C doesn't come from Superstring theory.

Stop using it as a argument for non-High 1-C

To be honest, these statement in the OP states Superstring theory for High 1-C

"The Tapestry scales anywhere from Low 1-C (6-D) to upwards of High 1-C (11-D) with the introduction of Superstring theory, which echos the metaphor for the Tapestry, which is beyond words and even understanding.."

 

[Udlmaster]

To be honest, these statement in the OP states Superstring theory for High 1-C

"The Tapestry scales anywhere from Low 1-C (6-D) to upwards of High 1-C (11-D) with the introduction of Superstring theory, which echos the metaphor for the Tapestry, which is beyond words and even understanding.."

That was an addition statement, not the full argument, I've said it 3 times after that, even showing how Azzy scaled the High Umbra is 11-D

 

[Udlmaster]

Also, to be fair:

Someone creating the Concept where 11-D things can even exist =/= Small 11-D Planck Length fields.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

String Theory consistently exists.

 

[Udlmaster]

So, if we low ball and say only a region is transcendant over the other.

Then there's 11-D with just the Low, Mid and High Umbra.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Yeah it should be ok to add the profiles now I don't see any opposition.

 

[Udlmaster]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

What are the conclusions so far?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

11D isn't being accepted I think.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Udlmaster]

11D isn't being accepted I think.

Like I said, it's stated the realms are transcendant, so, if we just go with an extreme low ball and say it only applies to the Regions, Low, Mid and High Umbra, that's still 11-D.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Just explain the scaling chain in a simplified format. Is it 8D chessboard -> Low Umbra -> Mid Umbra -> High Umbra = 11-D or something

 

[Udlmaster]

Just explain the scaling chain in a simplified format. Is it 8D chessboard -> Low Umbra -> Mid Umbra -> High Umbra = 11-D or something

Pretty much:

 

[Qawsedf234]

If they're dimensionally transcendent then sure, I don't see why 11-D couldn't apply.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

This is literally a graph you made on paint, that's not evidence of anything.

 

[Udlmaster]

This is literally a graph you made on paint, that's not evidence of anything.

1. Photoshop.

2. I've never claimed it was a offical piece.

3. Yes, it is evidence of this, if you want, I'll throw the 100 pages at you where it states all of this.

I even went over this in my Respect blog, like, seriously, go to my Respect blog I covered most of it there.

 

[Udlmaster]

Also, no one has addressed my point where the Sons of Ether created Quantum physics, which would mean that they have created the very idea of 11th dimensional Superstring theory as a concept.

 

[Udlmaster]

So then, shall I go on to work on the Mage profile and we can sort out God in the mean time.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

People don't trust you with the pages, Udl.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I acttttually agree with Matt here


Maybe like 9-D at most

 

[Udlmaster]

People don't trust you with the pages, Udl.

Literally has nothing to do with it.

Are you going to adress me or make ad-homimum attacks?

Because you just seem like you're dismissing my claims because: "Untrustworthy"

 

[Udlmaster]

I acttttually agree with Matt here
Maybe like 9-D at most

No, not at all, stop wanking baseless claims, Zach.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Just repost both the 8D quote and the three layers being transcendent above it.

 

[Udlmaster]

Just repost both the 8D quote and the three layers being transcendent above it.

- https://imgur.com/r3FkQS6

- https://imgur.com/Tylvmoh

The 8-D quote is on my blog, it's in the imgur album multiple times.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Well the quotes makes sense I guess. If it's that controversial at least 8D, likely/possibly 11D is an alternative imo.

 

[Udlmaster]

Well, I was only advocating for "At least 8-D, likely 11-D"

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

You mean at least 1-C possibly High 1-C?