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I have looked at the "evidence", that is not even translated and with extremely vague images and nothing suggests to me that Mew is High 4-C.
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Why is Mew a High 4-C?
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There's an entire thread on this, look there for the reasoning. It was translated and accepted.
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I'm pretty sure, unless someone else did it, that I translated the manga for Cal, & I still don't really understand the justification, if that story is the basis.
"Mew's Forest" as it's called in the manga is entered via portal, but there was no evidence of it being its own planet, as opposed to an uncharted location on the setting's Earth. There were never any stars visible, & as far as brightness is concerned, well....
There's almost no sources of light that the manga makes a point of pointing out. The closest to one, IIRC, was a sound-effect associated with Mewtwo appearing, who in that story, may possibly have just been an illusion from Mew, based on the visual storytelling. But dialogue at the end of the story makes it unclear, IMHO.
Technically, yes, the characters can see, so I suppose that could be argued that it's not a lightless void & thus "Mew's Forest" has some light source. But for that to be a valid feat, we never see proof Mew's Forest exists independently of the planet the manga already takes place on.
We don't even get any good view on its sky; There's no shots that show the sun in the sky or the stars while they're in Mew's Forest.
IIRC, the only time the sky is visible in that story is AFTER Marron/Hazel & Almond get teleported out of it, to what Marron/Hazel recognizes as near her house.
"Mew's Forest" as it's called in the manga is entered via portal, but there was no evidence of it being its own planet, as opposed to an uncharted location on the setting's Earth. There were never any stars visible, & as far as brightness is concerned, well....
There's almost no sources of light that the manga makes a point of pointing out. The closest to one, IIRC, was a sound-effect associated with Mewtwo appearing, who in that story, may possibly have just been an illusion from Mew, based on the visual storytelling. But dialogue at the end of the story makes it unclear, IMHO.
Technically, yes, the characters can see, so I suppose that could be argued that it's not a lightless void & thus "Mew's Forest" has some light source. But for that to be a valid feat, we never see proof Mew's Forest exists independently of the planet the manga already takes place on.
We don't even get any good view on its sky; There's no shots that show the sun in the sky or the stars while they're in Mew's Forest.
IIRC, the only time the sky is visible in that story is AFTER Marron/Hazel & Almond get teleported out of it, to what Marron/Hazel recognizes as near her house.
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@LordGriffin wait, wait, wait.
The decision to upgrade in that thread was "Isn't creating pocket dimensions with a Sun High 4-C?". With no evidence of a Sun or star in the manga. How was a decision made on that question alone... Sorry noto convinced at all.
The decision to upgrade in that thread was "Isn't creating pocket dimensions with a Sun High 4-C?". With no evidence of a Sun or star in the manga. How was a decision made on that question alone... Sorry noto convinced at all.
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@Imaginym, yeah I saw your comments on that thread, and they were ignored lol.
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Great, as if Cal hasn't been through enough bullshit.
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Well your best bet is to contact Cal about this and ask for his input.
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Yeah, I had spoken to him a few days ago, and he did not give me an adequate answer, which is why I made this thread.
@Gargoyle One I have nothing against Cal, but sorry I want things to make sense or at least be consistent.
@Gargoyle One I have nothing against Cal, but sorry I want things to make sense or at least be consistent.
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That's not what I'm referring to.
I'm referring to the fact that Cal is going to be getting into another argument about upgrades to a verse he likes.
I'm referring to the fact that Cal is going to be getting into another argument about upgrades to a verse he likes.
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@Gargoyle One doesnt everyone? Cal is cool from my limited time in this wiki, but it does not exempt him from criticism.
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@FTW exactly.
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That was brought up in the thread.FTW395 said:
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By comparison to Cal? Not even close.Rocker1189 said:
It is understandable however
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It'll start an argument, watch.Arigarmy said:
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Either way it is nothing against Cal in particular and like said above, it is just a question.
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Yes, this is the point of the wiki outside of indexing, is it not?
Debating is also arguing. Arguments don't have to be hostile, the point of an argument in itself is just two different views clashing against another. Arguments are in no shape a bad thing, it's just always gone hostile for no good reason because people get stressed out over a nintendo game.
Debating is also arguing. Arguments don't have to be hostile, the point of an argument in itself is just two different views clashing against another. Arguments are in no shape a bad thing, it's just always gone hostile for no good reason because people get stressed out over a nintendo game.
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That's exactly what I mean tho.
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Ans yeah there will have to be an argument, this is a debate wiki after all.
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Well then he'll just answer the question and move on, and if he has more questions, he just has to keep answering them until either it's disproven or understood.
seems pretty simple, just ignore the hostile bits or wait for staff to do their job when someone says something stupid and brings out every caps locked slur in the book.
seems pretty simple, just ignore the hostile bits or wait for staff to do their job when someone says something stupid and brings out every caps locked slur in the book.
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I mean I am oppen to being told a proper reason, after all I have nothing against the pokemon verse.
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Matt gave a good answer.
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Would love to see it @the real cal howard.
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Matthew Schroeder said:
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I went through all those with you and again those did not suggest to me that it is a star, and even then it could be an artificial sky and we have no other points of view just from the gorund upwards we dont even know if they are standing on a planet or just a country or city sized plain.
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If you claim its an artificial one then you also need to provide evidence to at least imply it is one. It should be assumed to be a sun until otherwise.
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But we dont even know what it is. Nothing suggest it is even a sun, that is my point.
Edit: also earlier you claimed it was trnaslated and I would like to see the translations.
Edit: also earlier you claimed it was trnaslated and I would like to see the translations.
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It's clearly a sun and the girl even comments on how bright it is while looking at it.
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I have asked ALRF, who is fluent in Japanese, to check the manga. He will reply when he can.
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Where is it clearly a sun, I see nthing that suggests that at all. Also someone commenting about how bright a light source is does not give evidence to it being a sun. I have a bright flash light in my cupboard too.
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Um, being outside and commenting on how bright it is outside is VERY different from commenting on an INSIDE-source..
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Either way, it does not tell me that it is a Sun. That is akin to saying Kaguya is High 4-C for the exact same reason.
Edit: If is has been explicitly said that it is a Sun and that Mew created the dimension, then there is nothing else for me to say.
Edit: If is has been explicitly said that it is a Sun and that Mew created the dimension, then there is nothing else for me to say.
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