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Doesn't it only have a rather small meteorite powering it at the moment
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Mewtwo and Rayquaza are the only cases to my knowledge, and again, I'm really not sure how to handle those. As for the first part, technically that is true, but unlike with random wild Pokemon Mega Evolving on cue, there's an actual lore reason for it so I'm less inclined to write that one off.Mega Evolving with a great sum of wishes is also self-contradictory as a requirement, given that there's various showings of that not being the case. Just looking around shows Mega Ray mega evolving with just the help of a trainer (or no trainers at all) in various forms of media.
Wild Pokemon mega evolving is also not a unique case, Mewtwo does as much in the Genesect movie if memory serves.
I'd consider needing Dragon Ascent a game mechanic since that's not what facilitates the Mega Evolution in lore. Rather, it's Rayquaza's consumption of the Meteorite.Provided that theory is correct, provided it's made of the exact same material as mega stones, with the same density of power, provided Rayquaza has full access to that power despite having digested that stone rather than holding it freely, there's a lot of assumptions here. And if he did have that power at his disposal, why would he also need to know Dragon Ascent to unlock that mega evolution, which normal pokemon do not need?
I don't really think that actually changes anything regarding the meteorites...Given different mega stones work on different pokemon I am not sure we can say it can use all the power of the meteor.
The meteor doesn't work any different from the stones to our knowledgeI don't really think that actually changes anything regarding the meteorites...
Like, objectively, it's confirmed that meteorites can be turned into Mega Stones and Key Stones
I see it the opposite way, actually. If it needs to be turned into Mega/Key stones, that means it's not as efficient by default, otherwise all you'd need to do is chop off a handful.As for the assumptions... For starters, if we're talking about theories that need to be verified, the same would be true for the theory about Mega Stones being illuminated by the X/Y legends. The ORAS one seems to hold more weight since consuming a meteorite facilitates Rayquaza's Mega Evolution, without it needing a Mega Stone. As for being of the same material, Archie and Maxie mention at the end of the Delta Episode that the meteorites can be turned into Mega Stones and Key Stones, which would indicate that they're made of the same material and have the same density, since that means the meteorites and Mega Stones can both facilitate Mega Evolution.
I was going to disagree with this assumption, but here's this bit from Zinnia: "Swallowing meteorites allows it to store as much power as a Mega Stone. Your Meteorite summoned forth the power needed for Rayquaza to Mega Evolve!"Rayquaza digesting it would mean it absorbed all that Mega Evolution energy, which should give it full access to that power.
Also Zinnia: "...You will be successor to our long history now. And I pass to you the final key to Rayquaza’s true power. The move that only it can learn: Dragon Ascent..."'d consider needing Dragon Ascent a game mechanic since that's not what facilitates the Mega Evolution in lore. Rather, it's Rayquaza's consumption of the Meteorite.
She also compared May/Brendan's meteorite to a mega stone, and we know from lore that Rayquaza has several dormant meteorites inside of it. The lore also states that Mega Ray is "born of mankind's wish and the power of the stones". Plural. Unless we assume that the meteorites have absolutely no power inside of them, in which case why did it need so much of this power to mega evolve in the first place?I was going to disagree with this assumption, but here's this bit from Zinnia: "Swallowing meteorites allows it to store as much power as a Mega Stone. Your Meteorite summoned forth the power needed for Rayquaza to Mega Evolve!"
Ok this is pretty circumstantial, since stuff like a beedrill battling a second stage pokemon/fully evolved pokemon depends on too many factors to be reliable. In the Johto bug catching contest, the goal is toThat goes off the notion that Beedrill is weak compared to other fully evolved Pokemon, which the profile doesn’t really provide any evidence for, nor is there any reason to assume such a thing as far as I know.
The statement is pretty explicit about the fact that eating all of the meteorites gives him as much power as a mega stone. It seems pretty silly to say that they each give him just as much as one, when there's a direct statement of the contrary and we have absolutely no idea how effective the energy conversion is for eating them.She also compared May/Brendan's meteorite to a mega stone, and we know from lore that Rayquaza has several dormant meteorites inside of it. The lore also states that Mega Ray is "born of mankind's wish and the power of the stones". Plural. Unless we assume that the meteorites have absolutely no power inside of them, in which case why did it need so much of this power to mega evolve in the first place?
That just seems like a guess to me either way. You could see it as being a greater requirement because the power is greater or you could see the need for multiple requirements as necessary because none of them pass the threshold, or it's just unrelated to the power given. I don't see a reason to assume either way, and I definitely don't see a reason to go with the high-ball assumption.Also re. the Dragon's Ascent stuff, I would say that having to jump through more hoops to obtain the evolution is another point in favour of it being more potent than a regular evolution.
The statement I gave is from the main series games. The fact that the manga supports this interpretation is a point in its favour, not against. And the other statement I gave explicitly says the opposite, that one meteorite has the power of a mega stone. Idk where 'energy conversion via eating' is mentioned, as far as I can tell that's not even tertiary, and the games explicitly states that Rayquaza swallows the meteorites rather than digests them.I think it's silly to focus on the mankind's wish stuff from some piece of tertiary media when that is repeatedly ignored in much more major works and clearly something exclusive to the manga. If we're still treating pokemon as a composite we should look at the big picture, not at just one instance. And as I've mentioned, the requirements for Mega Rayquaza are very inconsistent.
At worst it's unrelated, because the most conservative interpretation of the facts I've laid above is that Rayquaza at least meets the mega evolution threshold. It's circumstantial, sure, but it's hard to look at that and everything else involving Rayquaza's mega evolution and not conclude that it's aThat just seems like a guess to me either way. You could see it as being a greater requirement because the power is greater or you could see the need for multiple requirements as necessary because none of them pass the threshold, or it's just unrelated to the power given. I don't see a reason to assume either way, and I definitely don't see a reason to go with the high-ball assumption.
I believe so yes,Allow me to understand, is Rayquaza scaling above Mewtwo due to his performance vs Deoxys in the movie being better than Mewtwo's in Special Adventures? Do I get it right?
"It flies forever through the ozone layer, consuming meteoroids for sustenance. The many meteoroids in its body provide the energy it needs to Mega Evolve." - Alpha Sapphire Pokedex entry. So no, he very much eats them to feed, and all of them together are needed for Mega Evolution.The statement I gave is from the main series games. The fact that the manga supports this interpretation is a point in its favour, not against. And the other statement I gave explicitly says the opposite, that one meteorite has the power of a mega stone. Idk where 'energy conversion via eating' is mentioned, as far as I can tell that's not even tertiary, and the games explicitly states that Rayquaza swallows the meteorites rather than digests them.
Obviously he meets the threshold in the end, otherwise he wouldn't be able to do it. But if just the meteorites were enough (let alone each of them being enough individually), then he would absolutely not need Dragon Ascent or the other stuff, so clearly he isn't far beyond it.At worst it's unrelated, because the most conservative interpretation of the facts I've laid above is that Rayquaza at least meets the mega evolution threshold. It's circumstantial, sure, but it's hard to look at that and everything else involving Rayquaza's mega evolution and not conclude that it's a
more impressive form.