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Why is Living Tribunal 1-B and Beyonder High 1-C?
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The thing is, there's two different Beyonders, and I'm pretty sure that SW Beyonder isn't the High 1-C/High 1-B Beyonder. That's the 2-A BeyonderS. Emphasis on the S. So the reason that they took out the Beyonder is PIS. If Pre-Retcon Beyonder (the tier 1 one) did it, he'd be 1-B out of the realm, and if he did it while in the realm, it wouldn't matter.
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Read the note on the page. It said the living tribunal back then was strictly stated to be able to detonate Stars. Also I don't think u can scale secret wars Beyonder to later versions of TLT.
Read the note on the page. It said the living tribunal back then was strictly stated to be able to detonate Stars. Also I don't think u can scale secret wars Beyonder to later versions of TLT.
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ZeoParadox is correct. We cannot scale Pre-Retcon Beyonder from the Post-Retcon Living Tribunal.
Basically, we can only use guesswork for the Beyonder power outside of the Beyond Realm, based on the statement that his power is millions of times greater than an entire multiverse combined.
Basically, we can only use guesswork for the Beyonder power outside of the Beyond Realm, based on the statement that his power is millions of times greater than an entire multiverse combined.
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IIRC Beyonder Realm is outside of the marvel multiverseKamiYasha said:
Tier 0's like TOAA maybe tier 0 in Marvel Multiverse but not in DC, in fact he does not even exist in DC. Beyonder existed outside of Marvel Multiverse. (Yes, I know that there is a scan that says TOAA is creator of omniverse but in the same page omniverse was defined as "group of alternate universes that encompass all of reality").
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Sorry dont get what you mean by this. I was hoping that I would get clarification on why the "Tier 1 one that is ranked lower than LT" is ranked lower than LT.The real cal howard said:
1. Beyonders killed Living Tribunal correct? Irrelevant here.
2. The beyonder is also probably infinitely stronger than Living Tribunal, read Secret Wars again and it will show Living tribunal and other abstracts as being afraid of Beyonder!.
Living Tribunal was inferior to be both 3 beyonders and the Pre retcon beyonder.
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Yes. TLT is afraid of PR Beyonder. No one is denying that. And yes, he is infinitely greater in his own realm, but that's it. Feats and statements outside the realm only (for lack of a batter word) put him at High 1-C, while feats and statements TLT is a solid 1-B.
Wait, was Pre-R Beyonder apart of Secret Wars? My bad. But point still stands. Beyonder in his realm is High 1-B to TLT's 1-B, so they/it/he/whatever can still be very afraid of him.
Wait, was Pre-R Beyonder apart of Secret Wars? My bad. But point still stands. Beyonder in his realm is High 1-B to TLT's 1-B, so they/it/he/whatever can still be very afraid of him.
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The relevant issue here is that Marvel Comics is extremely inconsistent from writer to writer, and era to era.
The handbook entry that was released during the mid-1980s, shortly after the time of the Secret War II storyline, stated that the Living Tribunal at the time was only able to detonate stars, and when first introduced, Doctor Strange was able to put up a fight against him.
However, in a 1994 story featuring the Molecule Man and the Post-Retcon Beyonder, the Living Tribunal was retconned into a 16-dimensional entity by a different writer.
The handbook entry that was released during the mid-1980s, shortly after the time of the Secret War II storyline, stated that the Living Tribunal at the time was only able to detonate stars, and when first introduced, Doctor Strange was able to put up a fight against him.
However, in a 1994 story featuring the Molecule Man and the Post-Retcon Beyonder, the Living Tribunal was retconned into a 16-dimensional entity by a different writer.
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Basically, the High 1-C rating is guesswork, based on that our Multiverse is defined as 11-dimensional, but we really don't know, so it may in fact be best to adjust Pre-Retcon Beyonder outside of the Beyond Realm (and the pre-retcon Molecule Man) to unknown ratings.
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Power-scaling_Rules_for_Marvel_and_DC_Comics You should read this and the notes on Beyonder and The Living Tribunal pages
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Beyonder doesn't qualify for tier 0 because he has been humbled by molecule man outside his multiverse . He wouldn't have had to use a cup with lot of his power to erase Death from the multiverse (He would have done it with the effort of brushing an ant off his sleeve), and he wouldn't have doubted the action could be undone.
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The thing that really irks me is that yes, perhaps feats put LT 1-B due to existing in 16 dimensional space (like the picture showed). I am also arguing though that outside of the beyonder realm PR beyonder is still >>>>>> LT. If you read Secret Wars again (Sorry to cause trouble, you can also search up feats). All the abstracts including LT were afraid of him outside of the beyonder realm. So to put him High 1-C whilst he is outside of the Beyonder realm is false.The real cal howard said:
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Hmm, did not know that. uhhhhhhh ok... that is very very interesting. Can you please give me evidence that LT was actually retconned? Or is the change in writer already sufficient evidence that it was a retcon? Sorry I am a bit uninformed here but how can you tell when something is retconned? It is not like LT got retconned like beyonder's cosmic cube retcon.Antvasima said:
Also, you said that the old LT can only detonate stars?
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It would take less effort than brushing an ant of his sleeve if he was tier 0, which he is not in the marvel multiverse, but I get what you mean. Anyways, I do not see your premise here. Read my scans first, or if you already have. Please articulate your contention better because I don't get why you are using outside of beyonder realm feats to describe inside the beyonder realm beyonder's powers.EgyptianGodRaw said:
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The Kubik and Kosmos story, featuring the picture that you posted, happened during the 1990s, not the 1980s.
It is not required for a writer to officially state "this is a retcon", for a new turn of events to qualify. He or she simply needs to establish a new set of rules that clearly contradict the old ones, and claim that it had always been that way.
Also, I would appreciate if you permanently stop quoting large blocks of text, as it spams the page, and makes it harder to read.
It is not required for a writer to officially state "this is a retcon", for a new turn of events to qualify. He or she simply needs to establish a new set of rules that clearly contradict the old ones, and claim that it had always been that way.
Also, I would appreciate if you permanently stop quoting large blocks of text, as it spams the page, and makes it harder to read.
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