Might be a crazy idea. The Living Tribunal vs SCP-5712.

[Wardokman69]

SCP-5712 accidentally entering the Superflow and starts eating the concepts within it. The Living Tribunal encountered it and then decided to eradicate it.

Both High 1-A. Pre-noosphere consumption SCP-5712 is used.

I choose the Superflow as the location because its nature somewhat similar to the Noosphere

Cosmic Judge :

"Bottom Feeder" :

SCP-6820-A eats them both :

 

[Undylan]

Hmmm.

How many layers into High 1-A for both?

 

[Wardokman69]

Hmmm.

How many layers into High 1-A for both?

Well above baseline. TLT being above several High 1-A entities and 5712, despite being somewhere in baseline can actually consume the concept of high ranking demon that corresponds to tier II of conceptual hierarchy in the Noosphere.

 

[Spilxson2]

Assuming that they're equal layers or whatever, what does The Tribunal have against 5712's Absorption? And what does 5712 have against Tribunal's Reality Warping?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Well above baseline. TLT being above several High 1-A entities and 5712, despite being somewhere in baseline can actually consume the concept of high ranking demon that corresponds to tier II of conceptual hierarchy in the Noosphere.

Isn't 5712 above all concepts present in the Noosphere sinse It came from the ifosphere? Making It a let higher them anythig in the Noosphere

 

[Wardokman69]

Assuming that they're equal layers or whatever, what does The Tribunal have against 5712's Absorption? And what does 5712 have against Tribunal's Reality Warping?

Well, the only real problem for 5712 is TLT's nigh-omniscient that might be able to do something before 5712 devours everything which takes some time.

Isn't 5712 above all concepts present in the Noosphere sinse It came from the ifosphere? Making It a let higher them anythig in the Noosphere

No, outside =\= above. 5712 being outside the noosphere meaning 5712 unable to be concieved by humans. Not necessarily above, at least not until it fully devours the Noosphere.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Well, the only real problem for 5712 is TLT's nigh-omniscient that might be able to do something before 5712 devours everything which takes some time.

No, outside =\= above. 5712 being outside the noosphere meaning 5712 unable to be concieved by humans. Not necessarily above, at least not until it fully devours the Noosphere.

Fair

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; Personifies the laws and rules of the multiverse that define the nature and purpose of each the Cosmic Aspects,[13] without which they are no longer constrained by their roles, as there is no longer anything deciding what they are the personifications of)

Well, If he can just manipulate concepts he can quite literraly rip apart the botton feeder before It does enough damage to the concepts as a whole, killing Itby breaking It's body apart methaphorically and kinda literraly

 

[Spilxson2]

Doesn't SCP 5712 resist Conceptual Manipulation?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Doesn't SCP 5712 resist Conceptual Manipulation?

Yes, but just beacuse It survive in a concept enviroment that has concepts that hunt other concepts, but Living tribunal controlls all concepts beingh the hand that controll all of then

without which they are no longer constrained by their roles, as there is no longer anything deciding what they are the personifications of

So he should be vastly superior to a single concept that absorbs others

If we look that with the "botton feeder" analogy, 5712 is a fish botton feeding on the botton of the ocean and living tribunal is a white shark that can kill any other fish present in that sea

 

[Undylan]

In that case. LT vs SCP-3125?

 

[Wardokman69]

Fair


Well, If he can just manipulate concepts he can quite literraly rip apart the botton feeder before It does enough damage to the concepts as a whole, killing Itby breaking It's body apart methaphorically and kinda literraly

Yeah but the problem is 5712 also can one shot TLT(or absorb) with ease. It has a feat of absorb Noospheric concept far beyond TLT's High 1-A.

Yes, but just beacuse It survive in a concept enviroment that has concepts that hunt other concepts, but Living tribunal controlls all concepts beingh the hand that controll all of then

So he should be vastly superior to a single concept that absorbs others

If we look that with the "botton feeder" analogy, 5712 is a fish botton feeding on the botton of the ocean and living tribunal is a white shark that can kill any other fish present in that sea

It's environment actually kinda worse than anything in Marvel tho, not only it's capable to yeet concepts bigger than itself but also negating their resistance them as well. Yeah, its downside is just being mindless.
(Somehow its feel like Smurf High 1-A, despite being High 1-A as well lmao)

In that case. LT vs SCP-3125?

No

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Yeah but the problem is 5712 also can one shot TLT(or absorb) with ease. It has a feat of absorb Noospheric concept far beyond TLT's High 1-A.

It's environment actually kinda worse than anything in Marvel tho, not only it's capable to yeet concepts bigger than itself but also negating their resistance them as well. Yeah, its downside is just being mindless.
(Somehow its feel like Smurf High 1-A, despite being High 1-A as well lmao)

While You are correct, This is after 5712 absorbig othwr concepts becoming bigger, other then the demon... any way

Yes, his encironment is absurd but he is a botton feeder, survive by evading bigger and more dangerous predators while keeping It self at the botton of the ocean of concepts to not get atacked from bellow and get defenseless meals to absorb

Living tribunal in other hand manipulate and guide all the concepts in marvel, So I still say It can be considered more of a feat then noosphere invasion 5712

 

[Gasper]

TLT stomps this easy

 

[JustANormalLemon]

TLT stomps this easy

Hum? Why? Creatures from SCP Nosphere are much bigger then whatever the universe marvel counterpart would be

 

[Gasper]

Hum? Why? Creatures from SCP Nosphere are much bigger then whatever the universe marvel counterpart would be

No they aren't, no. We are using multiversal Tribunal, which scales above infinite hierarchy of aleph numbers and the concept of mathematics as a whole. All Abstracts have conceptual resistance, mental resistance, Transduality type 2, immortality type 5 etc

 

[Wardokman69]

While You are correct, This is after 5712 absorbig othwr concepts becoming bigger, other then the demon... any way

Yes, his encironment is absurd but he is a botton feeder, survive by evading bigger and more dangerous predators while keeping It self at the botton of the ocean of concepts to not get atacked from bellow and get defenseless meals to absorb

Living tribunal in other hand manipulate and guide all the concepts in marvel, So I still say It can be considered more of a feat then noosphere invasion 5712

Yeah, but its resistance to concept manip is on a higher level than TLT. So it's kinda pointless with concept manip.

TLT stomps this easy

50/50. They're pretty even. It can instantly nuke and absorb LT with easy but LT can also BFR or Seal it away.

 

[Wardokman69]

No they aren't, no. We are using multiversal Tribunal, which scales above infinite hierarchy of aleph numbers and the concept of mathematics as a whole. All Abstracts have conceptual resistance, mental resistance, Transduality type 2, immortality type 5 etc

Which basically similar to high-end noospheric being(Tier III conceptual hierarchy in the noosphere) but on a lower level.

 

[Gasper]

Which basically similar to high-end noospheric being(Tier III conceptual hierarchy in the noosphere) but on a lower level.

Noosphere is baseline High 1-A, we already went over this. It's not above TLT at all. Anti noosphere is infinite layers into High 1-A.

But i won't comment here anymore

 

[Wardokman69]

Noosphere is baseline High 1-A, we already went over this. It's not above TLT at all. Anti noosphere is infinite layers into High 1-A.

But i won't comment here anymore

Its not. Baseline High 1-A in the noosphere is Tier I of conceptual hierarchy. There's 3 hierarchy in the noosphere and each tier gap is larger than infinity.

 

[Gasper]

Its not. Baseline High 1-A in the noosphere is Tier I of conceptual hierarchy. There's 3 hierarchy in the noosphere and each tier gap is larger than infinity.

The gap between r>f needs to be uncountable infinite not infinite.

 

[Wardokman69]

The gap between r>f needs to be uncountable infinite not infinite.

Each tier is considered to be harder to reach than the last. As this includes the gap between the physical reality and the Noosphere

 

[Gasper]

Each tier is considered to be harder to reach than the last. As this includes the gap between the physical reality and the Noosphere

This isn't for the noosphere. Most of those tiers are above it.

 

[Wardokman69]

This isn't for the noosphere. Most of those tiers are above it.

Source for this? Is there any statments that is not applied to the noosphere hierarchy?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

After readin a bit of 5712 and the scp 5800 I have my vote

The conceptual creatures of the infosphere envelop smaller concepts and ad then to their fractal so that's why 5712 resist conceptual manipulation, beacuse like a fish has to have a way to not be atacked by a shark by speed, poison or etc SCP 5712 need to be protected against It's enviroment as every concept in the infosphere has the same absorption hability

But if we look at It in the way of the botton feeders and sharks analogy, It's defenses are in their way of protecting their fractal from beingh consumed, TLT has the perfect capability to mamipulate concepts to do what the foundstion tried to do by exorcising the demon, cut the hole and leave served limb behind

And I can see then TLT breaking apart 5712 fractal, by pulling It's concepts one by one like how amari tried to pull abiel out by exorcising It, but in a much more effective scale

Voting TLT

Still think 5712 has chance, the hability to envelop concepts to ad to him self could let him pull parts of TLT into It self, or evade TLT conceptual manipulation for log enough to grow big enough to envelop It

 

[Gasper]

Source for this? Is there any statments that is not applied to the noosphere hierarchy?

That's literally the point of this scp.

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

Wait, I just realized: can we even add High 1-A matches to profiles?

 

[Gasper]

Wait, I just realized: can we even add High 1-A matches to profiles?

Yes

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

Yes

Ah I see, never really seen something like that happen before personally

Anyways, voting Living Tribunal FRA

 

[Spilxson2]

Pretty sure they can be added. It's just that no one makes them since no one usually checks to see if the participants are equal layers above baseline or whatever

 

[Spilxson2]

If they're equal, then I guess I vote for the Living Tribunal

 

[Gasper]

If they're equal, then I guess I vote for the Living Tribunal

5712 should be baseline before absorbing noosphere.

 

[Spilxson2]

5712 should be baseline before absorbing noosphere.

So does the matchup work or not?

 

[Gasper]

So does the matchup work or not?

Not really.

 

[Spilxson2]

Not really.

Well that's a shame

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Not really.

Tecnically the SCP still can consume the enitre noosphere here if It evade and resist atacks for long enough

 

[Gasper]

Tecnically the SCP still can consume the enitre noosphere here if It evade and resist atacks for long enough

Which was agreed upon to be baseline.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

5712 should be baseline before absorbing noosphere.

Didn't You just said the oposite?

 

[Gasper]

Didn't You just said the oposite?

I got confused with the anti noosphere for a bit, sorry 'bout that.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Oh, okay

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

No they aren't, no. We are using multiversal Tribunal, which scales above infinite hierarchy of aleph numbers and the concept of mathematics as a whole. All Abstracts have conceptual resistance, mental resistance, Transduality type 2, immortality type 5 etc

No, the "aleph numbers" part of Ultima's revisions was the only part that was rejected.