Why do Undertale God Tiers have Immeasurable speed?

[Agnaa]

Ah right, my bad. But this still seems like a similar situation to the ps flowey fight in that you just automatically go into a scene when you start the game, not having an option to save or load. Or at least, I don't remember Frisk explicitly failing to load at the end of a genocide run, just that you don't get the option.

 

[Read_this_post]

I actually gave an explanation in this incomplete blog as to what flowey is sort of doing (tho this currently ignores the fact that he creates multiple files). So there is that.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Isn't Photoshop Flowey Immeasurable due to being able to move outside of timelines via SAVE and LOAD, and being able to move between timelines?

 

[Agnaa]

Isn't Photoshop Flowey Immeasurable due to being able to move outside of timelines via SAVE and LOAD, and being able to move between timelines?

For the third time, those are hax, not sheer speed. Frisk doesn't have immeasurable speed from the start of the game for being able to SAVE and LOAD.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Photoshop Flowey's SAVE and LOAD isn't like Frisk's. And I may be a bit behind on things, I've been getting a LOT of messages recently.

 

[Agnaa]

That doesn't prove that it was done through sheer speed and not hax.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Aren't most versions of the Flash Immeasurable by just being able to time travel?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Time Travel on it's own does not automatically give you Immeasurable Speed. You have to prove that you time traveled because of speed and speed alone.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Time travel IS a hax for most Flashes.

 

[Agnaa]

Make a CRT for those Flashes then, but Photoshop Flowey isn't getting Immeasurable unless it's proved to be from sheer speed.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Aren't most versions of the Flash Immeasurable by just being able to time travel?

They are immeasurable because they can do it with speed alone.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Time travel for most flashes is actually just from running out of linear time and going backwards instead using their speed

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Well it's listed as a separate speed rating for them.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Actually it's not just the fact that he's moving between timelines, it's also the fact that he exists outside linear time via being outside of any timeline while doing so.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Existing outside of time is infinite speed at best.

 

[Agnaa]

Actually it's not just the fact that he's moving between timelines, it's also the fact that he exists outside linear time via being outside of any timeline while doing so.

Undertale says that Photoshop Flowey is beyond linear time?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Sort of, in between LOADs, the SAVE and LOAD bearer exists outside any timeline.

 

[Agnaa]

That doesn't mean that they exist outside of linear time.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Existing outside all timelines = existing outside of linear time

 

[Agnaa]

No. There could be linear time outside of timelines.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

How could there be linear time outside of timelines?

 

[Agnaa]

Because fiction's weird, they could be outside of timelines but still be in a realm with time.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Technically even 5D realms could have some sort of time but it's residents would be Immeasurable.

 

[Paul_Frank]

That's not true not every 5d character is immeasurable

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Existing in a 5D realm would make you Immeasurable in the first place.

 

[Agnaa]

On higher dimensions and immeasurable.

That isn't true. On its own, being higher dimensional doesn't mean anything, otherwise we get Immeasurable every Hive God (it's a rating i plan to push for, but for different reasons) due to them being able to manifest as 4D waveforms. At best, it can be used as support, but a higher dimensional being can still be bound to linear time.

Also, it's funny that you argued "Photoshop Flowey's SAVE and LOAD isn't like Frisk's" earlier, and now you're using scans of Frisk's SAVE and LOAD to give evidence for Photoshop Flowey being immeasurable.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Yeah, because Photoshop Flowey made multiple SAVEs, while we have only one. He would literally see that and 5 others just like it.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Because fiction's weird, they could be outside of timelines but still be in a realm with time.

Pretty sure it has to do with being able to move outside of time doesn't mean you can move beyond time in a continuum, like how being able to swim in water doesn't mean you can swim on land.

 

[Agnaa]

@Super You're missing the point, you're trying to give Photoshop Flowey Immeasurable for something that start of game Frisk can do.

@Shadow That too.

 

[Antvasima]

It seems like immeasurable or infinite speed are extreme exaggerations then. What else should we scale from instead?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Except it's NOT something Frisk can do. He can even do it in the middle of fights.

 

[Agnaa]

It is something Frisk can do, you used something Frisk did as reasoning for Immeasurable.

You haven't shown me anything Immeasurable that Flowey can do in the middle of fights.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Being able to change SAVE files via going outside of them in the middle of a fight IS something Immeasurable.

 

[Read_this_post]

He only switches between save files which is dimensional travel (assuming that save files are still timelines which is something i am currently revising). Even if he were going outside of them, it would be infinite.

Also i should mention that both flowey and frisk are affected by flowey loading. He is clearly affected by his own time manipulation.

 

[Agnaa]

Being able to change SAVE files via going outside of them in the middle of a fight IS something Immeasurable.

How do you know he changed SAVE files by sheer speed and not hax?

How do you know he went outside of all timelines in the middle of the fight?

 

[Antvasima]

It seems like immeasurable or infinite speed are extreme exaggerations then. What else should we scale from instead?

^

 

[Agnaa]

I think it might be best to put them at Unknown. That's what the rest of the verse is at right now, they got downgraded from FTL and there weren't really any other feats to put them at.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

What happened to their dodging sunlight feat?

 

[Agnaa]

Outlier since it was the only feat on that level, iirc.

 

[Andytrenom]

When did anyone dodge '''sun'''light?