Who can beat the Six Heroes?

[CrimsonStarFallen]

I'd think Terumi would be way higher.

Though, i don't know how stuff develops so, i'll see.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

B.B. if we give full 8D moon cell hax

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Actually Nine should be lower.

Ragna>Celica>>Hakumen>Jubei>Valkenhayn>Terumi>Nine>Trinity

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

B.B. if we give full 8D moon cell hax

like we should

 

[PsychoWarper]

I see no one is arguing my point so muhaha I have wo

 

[Theglassman12]

@Shiro Nine did defeat Jubei before tho. Before she showed up where Requiem was she defeated Jubei

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I always considered Nine one of the stronger members. But more in terms of her Magic and not physically.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

This is during Phase Shift, when they are all at their strongest. Jubei can defeat Nine back then.

 

[MYHERO]

Update: Nanashi would lose to Terumi so nevermind him.

 

[Dvorak1902]

Below Tier 2? Reinhard Heydrich, Caine (World of Darkness), The Emperor of Mankind, Molecule Ma, Jill Presto, maybe Pelinal and Beatrice (Wild Arms)...

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Tier 5 and below.

Yeah, Beatrice, Jill and MM stomps.

Also Reinhard winning to Six Heroes makes me want to do Black Beast vs Reinhard....

 

[PsychoWarper]

Tier 5 and below.

Yeah, Beatrice, Jill and MM stomps.

Also Reinhard winning to Six Heroes makes me want to do Black Beast vs Reinhard....

 

[Eganergo]

Don't forget about Habaki Sakagami and his bois.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Yeah...KKK....

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Ya never catch me yeet

 

[PsychoWarper]

Keishirou Kyougetsu, 1-A Luck and 1-A Growth.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Small comment since i'm not recovered fully..

One day when Touhou get their hax/cosmonology explained in detail, Yukari will take them down...one day my man...one day

 

[Overlord775]

High 6-A Vecna beats them via mindhax

 

[Eganergo]

High 6-A Vecna beats them via mindhax

Really? They have long scaling chain of resistance to mindhax on 2A level.

 

[Overlord775]

Vecna's chain is longer

Vecna's avatar has the same level of abilties as his true form iirc

Demon Lords have 2-A mind hax

Demon lords << Rank 0 divine beings << Rank 1 << Rank 2 << Rank 3 << ....

with this going up to either Rank 10 or 20, not sure which one the avatar scales to

 

[Stillwinston]

Caine from World of Darkness would do it I'm pretty sure, his third key defo but not sure about his first and second.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Ao should there be a list or something?

 

[ShiverPointGaming_101]

Bump

 

[Lapsad]

Mage from world of darkness will going to beat them

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Kevin McAllister with 3 days of prep and enough bricks

 

[Theglassman12]

Jokes on you, they already have a Kevin Mcallister, and he drops muppets on you more than bricks.

 

[Wokistan]

Khârn the Betrayer

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I can see Jubei, Ragna, Hakumen, and Valkenhayn beating Khârn, they're physical fighters regardless with strong enough weapons.

 

[Wokistan]

Well they'd seem to lose out to AP. Kharn's a lot tankier than his AP just in general. There's also the matter of whether or not he's able to be beaten in combat the regular way, and the mundane dura neg stuff on chainaxes.

 

[Theglassman12]

Hakumen can be as strong as Kharn with the power of order. AP advantage is moot when it comes to Hakumen.

 

[Wokistan]

No strength via magic. Not allowed.

 

[Theglassman12]

It's not magic. It's a literal manifestation of the world's order.

 

[Wokistan]

That definitely would fall under things khorne's not a fan of. Being buffed by outside parties is hardly a "fair fight".

also magic within 40k rules anyways

 

[Schnee_One]

I don't get why Khorne would null the equivalent of a stat amp

 

[Theglassman12]

how is it hardly a fair fight when all it does is make Hakumen on the same level as Kharn? That's the exact opposite of unfair.

 

[Wokistan]

Because of the source, and this one arguably being outside interference. Psykers just lose everything in general vs that sort of blessing, even just boosted strength and shit.

 

[Wokistan]

Because Khorne's a hypocrite and hakumen isn't the planet

 

[Theglassman12]

Hakumen isn't the planet doesn't change the fact that is makes it 100% fair. It would be unfair if Hakumen automatically becomes 10X stronger with it but it doesn't, it just makes him as strong as whoever it is he's fighting.

 

[Wokistan]

Hakumen not being the planet and being buffed by the planet means hakumen's being buffed by an outside source. Can you consider it fair by some metrics? Sure. Will the blessing? Probably not. There's that one time it started ******* with a tank for avoiding melee combat, after all.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

AP doesn't matter to Jubei, his Musashi negs durability. Hakumen's Okami can nullify abilities and cut through space, which negs durability. Hakumen has precog regardless, so I don't see the chainaxes hitting any time soon.

Before I even get into what they can truly do, can Khârn deal with their existence out of Logic? Can he literally nullify them being invulnerable due to being outside the world's laws?