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Welcome to Pagemageddon! Bill Cipher Rework.

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Can Bill actually travel through time or not? All I see is time manipulation and I don't remember well
 
Spilxson2 said:
Maybe "At least Low 2-C, likely 2-A" could work. Could he have Empowerment added to his abilities as well? I don't know if I remember this properly, but I think somewhere it said that during Weirdmageddon, Bill's power grows by the second
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Most people are on board with a more direct Low 2-C, possibly 2-A. Looking at staff and knowledgeable user input so far that's likely what's going to stick, as it doesn't look like any other ground-breaking information or feat is still missing.
 
NOT SO FAST.

I worked to myself to a fix of Shion's profile (it sucks, ngl), fixing wordings, hax and so on.

Removed the:
  • NEP (like, you can't say is NEP come the **** on, there's literally 0 argument for it)
  • Infinite speed perception (otherwise anyone seeing infinite stuff has infinite speed too)
Added:
  • Dimensional Travel/Portal Creation (seriously he didn't have those?)
  • 2-A range for all the keys
Rest is fixing AP wording, LS ratings, speed, references, etc.
 
Spilxson2 said:
Maybe "At least Low 2-C, likely 2-A" could work. Could he have Empowerment added to his abilities as well? I don't know if I remember this properly, but I think somewhere it said that during Weirdmageddon, Bill's power grows by the second
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Added
 
StrymULTRA said:
NOT SO FAST.

I worked to myself to a fix of Shion's profile (it sucks, ngl), fixing wordings, hax and so on.

Removed the:
  • NEP (like, you can't say is NEP come the ***** on, there's literally 0 argument for it)
  • Infinite speed perception (otherwise anyone seeing infinite stuff has infinite speed too)
Added:
  • Dimensional Travel/Portal Creation (seriously he didn't have those?)
  • 2-A range for all the keys
Rest is fixing AP wording, LS ratings, speed, references, etc.
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you should add a few images for mad and monster bill, https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ravity_Falls:_Bill_Cipher_travels_to_a_galaxy also this calc should be added and shouldn't we discuss physical stats?
 
StrymULTRA said:
NEP (like, you can't say is NEP come the ***** on, there's literally 0 argument for it)
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I disagree. Bill is literally the exact thing explained in Nep 3.

"In terms of binary, where existence is 1 and nonexistence is 0, this would be part 0 and part 1 simultaneously."

Bill exists and doesnt exist at the same time.
 
StrymULTRA said:
NOT SO FAST.

I worked to myself to a fix of Shion's profile (it sucks, ngl), fixing wordings, hax and so on.

Removed the:
  • NEP (like, you can't say is NEP come the ***** on, there's literally 0 argument for it)
  • Infinite speed perception (otherwise anyone seeing infinite stuff has infinite speed too)
Added:
  • Dimensional Travel/Portal Creation (seriously he didn't have those?)
  • 2-A range for all the keys
Rest is fixing AP wording, LS ratings, speed, references, etc.
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Looks good to me. Don't disagree with the range or haxes. Range and dimensional travel were and are key in the way I see his powers and tier, would be very hypocritical to go sudden disagreement on these ones.
 
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
you should add a few images for mad and monster bill, https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ravity_Falls:_Bill_Cipher_travels_to_a_galaxy also this calc should be added and shouldn't we discuss physical stats?
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I forgot.

Besides my point for durability scaling were agreed anyway, and you can see the reasons being repeated right in my profile
ShionAH said:
"In terms of binary, where existence is 1 and nonexistence is 0, this would be part 0 and part 1 simultaneously."
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Do you even know what is a quantum particle my guy? Stop talking about stuff you don't know.
 
ShionAH said:
Doesnt matter. Bill says everything he is he is not which is a direct confirmation on NEP 3.
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Alright, tell me what aspect he'll be. Because you said he is literally Nonexistent on ******* INFORMATION MANIP TYPE 2, which is baseless.
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
Also, I thought it would be the likely low 2-C possibly 2-A tier, not outright low 2-c?
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He is that though? Read it better.
ShionAH said:
Shouldnt Low 2-C be "Atleast"
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You're right, yeah.

Besides added the MFTL+ calc in his base speed.
 
StrymULTRA said:
Alright, tell me what aspect he'll be. Because you said he is literally Nonexistent on ***** INFORMATION MANIP TYPE 2, which is baseless.
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Aspect 5, Body/Energy (Both are the same thing for Bill)
 
ShionAH said:
Why though? He already controls time so
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Oh, alright then. I guess the matchup I'm thinking of could work. Although it's probably going to be a horrible idea. How long do we need to wait for this to become Bill's profile?
 
Type 3 NEP Nature fits perfectly in Bill's statement, and type 5 aspect exists in case we have no information in what the characters lacks.
 
Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
NEP 3: Paradoxical Nonexistence: Characters still exist, but paradoxically behave as if they don't
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OK BUT WHAT ASPECT? I ASKED THIS THREE TIMES. THREE.
ZeedKZ said:
Type 3 NEP Nature fits perfectly in Bill's statement, and type 5 aspect exists in case we have no information in what the characters lacks.
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To be fair we should know what he's even talking about about "he's everything but also not", coz... this can be done from simply Quantum Manipulation, see Alucard's profile.
 
ShionAH said:
Not long. What character are you gonna make Bill fight lol
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Ben Tennyson but he's given time to transform into Alien X. Was thinking of giving Bill some knowledge so that he'd have a win condition of travelling back in time to before Ben transforms but I don't even know if that would work. Without that, it's a Low 1-C vs 2-A
 
So we only need a pass for the hax now? I think most of it was agreed but Idk if NEP is agreed upon
 
Alucard's case is different, it is in the context of being within a place, and not him existing and non-existing physically in his part. His quantum manipulation serves for him to be at any place and at no place at the same time. Bill's case is direct existence and nonexistence simultaneously, everything he is, he is not.
 
StrymULTRA said:
I think the "At least" comes from Bill doing his stuff all casually while getting stronger by the minute as well.
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But of all the input above, no one's claiming At least before Low 2-C, and those include staff. I was one of the first people to mention Low 2-C seeming more accurate than tier 3 (which does sell Bill short). But at least shouldn't be put before the Low 2-C. This was argued before as well, it being either one or the other.
 
Magicomethkuon said:
But of all the input above, no one's claiming At least before Low 2-C, and those include staff. I was one of the first people to mention Low 2-C seeming more accurate than tier 3 (which does sell Bill short). But at least shouldn't be put before the Low 2-C. This was argued before as well, it being either one or the other.
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Bill deserves Atleast tbh.

He does all his stuff casually.
He is likely way stronger than we see.
He gets stronger every minute weirdmageddon continues.
 
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