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Weakest 1-A Chinaman Fight (Lu Zhiyu versus Gu Chensha)
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TheGreatJedi13
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Lu Zhiyu is going to have his Acausality Type 5 removed, so that's not really a factor. At the same time Lu Zhiyu has pretty much the best Immortality & Regen on the wiki, so Gu Chensha can't kill him.
Rakih_Elyan
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Why tho?
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Gu Chensha has HGR negation though and I can't think of an aspect of that he doesn't negate already. As for immortality, I am guessing you mean type 9 because of the whole countless/infinite versions of himself which is negated by DT characters being able to affect the target and their avatars at the same time.
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You should list out the aspects he can negate, but LDG Characters are on demon time with that stuff.
He has all types of immortality, so negating Type 9 alone is not enough.
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Cause he doesn't meet the requirements, no characters in LDG do.
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Their HGR is concept and extends to history, info and destiny (plot). It extends into other non-HGR stuff (Check Calabash technique in other techniques tab).
Yes but the countless/infinite type 9 is what matters most. It is the only immortality Gu Chensha doesn't have.
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In that case, his regen is mostly taken care of. So what are Gu Chensha's win cons and what does he resist?
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I have some things in mind regarding that but I will confirm a few things on his profile tomorrow and reply with my findings.
Edit: Gu Chensha resists everything here and on his profile.
Edit: Gu Chensha resists everything here and on his profile.
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Additionally, it isn't about Gu Chensha's resistances as he has passive plot armour and can't die nor kill himself until a superior protagonist to himself does so (like the quote on the profile the latter part of the story is him trying to find a giga protagonist to defeat him).
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I feel like they just cancel each other out then, idk.
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wtf
can chensa interact with that level of NEP
can chensa interact with that level of NEP
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Chensa has NEP out of the wazoo.
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Checking the profiles, it seems Lu Zhiyu:
Going over the list, fusionism would be separating him into parts, both physically and metaphysically. Necro and diseases is just turning you into a zombie after infecting you, a very hungry nibbling zombie. BFR is sending you to another place of-course but they can also send you to another time, well the past, however, correct me if I am wrong but didn't Lu Zhiyu realise he was the creator, so sending him to his childhood self would have no effect, no?
Size Manipulation is just as it sounds. Body puppetry is turning people into puppets with energy manipulation that invades their meridians. Statistic Reduction is reducing his power to less than half. As for plot manipulation, it just a hierarchy of protagonists with protagonist like aspects who never lose or die and would render Lu Zhiyu's abilities and resistances useless if Gu Chensha actually decides to fight seriously.
Lastly, the most powerful offensive capability of Gu Chensha in terms of attacks not backed by his plot manipulation is the Dragonless Heart (first techniques tab). In simple words, it is the embodiment of every technique and power in the series among other things and he also embodies it as the Dragonless Heart is also himself. So it is like getting hit with all of his P&A all at once, provided he manifests it as an attack and not use it for other things listed in the techniques tab.
- Time Manipulation
- Causality Manipulation
- Probability Manipulation
- Fusionism
- Fate Manipulation
- Necromancy & Disease Manipulation
- BFR
- Size Manipulation
- Plot Manipulation
- Body Puppetry
- Statistics Reduction
Going over the list, fusionism would be separating him into parts, both physically and metaphysically. Necro and diseases is just turning you into a zombie after infecting you, a very hungry nibbling zombie. BFR is sending you to another place of-course but they can also send you to another time, well the past, however, correct me if I am wrong but didn't Lu Zhiyu realise he was the creator, so sending him to his childhood self would have no effect, no?
Size Manipulation is just as it sounds. Body puppetry is turning people into puppets with energy manipulation that invades their meridians. Statistic Reduction is reducing his power to less than half. As for plot manipulation, it just a hierarchy of protagonists with protagonist like aspects who never lose or die and would render Lu Zhiyu's abilities and resistances useless if Gu Chensha actually decides to fight seriously.
Lastly, the most powerful offensive capability of Gu Chensha in terms of attacks not backed by his plot manipulation is the Dragonless Heart (first techniques tab). In simple words, it is the embodiment of every technique and power in the series among other things and he also embodies it as the Dragonless Heart is also himself. So it is like getting hit with all of his P&A all at once, provided he manifests it as an attack and not use it for other things listed in the techniques tab.
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Don't think this will have much effect.
He's got Type 5 Immortality, so shouldn't matter much even if he does get turned.
Yes, he's just in the dream of himself, so it wouldn't change anything.
He should be able to resize himself with shapeshifting.
He absorbs energy, so it would likely feed him.
He can boost his power thousands of times over if he wishes, so this shouldn't change much.
Depends on how this clashes with Lu Zhiyu's Plot Manip.
Same when it comes to Lu Zhiyu, he mastered everything in his verse since he is the source of all powers.
Rakih_Elyan
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Seriously?
I vote stalemate.
I vote stalemate.
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It isn't really a match ender, yeah. For example, Gu Chensha separates Lu Zhiyu's abstract existence and Lu Zhiyu or Lu Zhiyu's connection to his avatars/other-selves.
So do DT characters and they also negate it. He gets turned into a zombie however, it isn't immortality type 5 that saves him. It is resistance to mind manipulation (avoiding becoming a brainless zombie).
Probably but he doesn't resist energy manipulation, so it unlikely he can absorb it as Gu Chensha weaves through.
So do DT characters who also have RE BTW. So increasing his power a million or a billion times changes nothing if Gu Chensha is setting that to less than half passively.
If his omniscience worked in this match and he could see and interact with Gu Chensha, then he would probably know how to not trigger Gu Chensha's plot manipulation (it is possible)
But since he can't and he also doesn't have resistance to it, I don't see this as anything but GG.
Not to mention how I don't see Lu Zhiyu's plot manipulation being relevant here, against someone that not only has resistance but is an abstract cosmic devourer in the truest sense as he is a being that absorbs everything, as everything is a nourishment for him (like his second P&A says), even the stories of protagonists.
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BTW, causality, probability, fate and time manipulation weren't addressed.
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why are we talking about omniscience?
omniscience cant work crossverse
omniscience cant work crossverse
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Coolz.
Still wouldn't matter much, he's made of silicon, unless he can make zombies out of rocks.
Don't see why not, it's one of the main abilities of his being.
Lu Zhiyu passively reduces people who do not have his permission as well, way more than half. Whether it be size, strength, or ability, everything is reduced to the extreme. Similarly, even if he can't increase his strength, he is constantly going to grow stronger either way.
How does his plot manipulation work exactly?
Even they are their powers, and their powers are them, so their abilities have the same resistances they have, so absorption wouldn't do much.
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It is a cause for worry for glazed jade bodies, energy bodies, abstract bodies, etc. So it would matter.
Can you elaborate on how he will resist body puppetry and also energy manipulation, both things he doesn't resist. Also energy manipulation isn't the energy weaving through his body, it is also affecting his own energy.
Yes, however Gu Chensha resists while Lu Zhiyu does not. Lu Zhiyu having it doesn't matter if he is being affected by it and he doesn't resist it.
As a passive, it is essentially plot armour; It converts danger into safety. It grants them power to overcome adversity. It grants them fortuitous encounters to grow. Etc. As direct manipulation it is creating a path towards a future that doesn't exist or Chen Qi who contains, embodies and controls stories. Or the Heavenly Dao creating the main character and making Gu Chensha the villain he needs to defeat with everything being already written. Each protagonist have their own story (all nourishment for Gu Chensha see scan in previous reply), however, Gu Chensha divides them into a hierarchy; little protagonist, big protagonist, super protagonist, etc.
An example of not triggering it is Lou Baiyue who fought protagonists and because she never posed a threat, the protagonists couldn't overcome her through gaining powerups.
You mean something similar to any power being on the same level of said cultivation realm? Also it isn't simply absorption, it is conversion through manipulating said thing to nourish Gu Chensha and Lu Zhiyu doesn't resist plot.
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Again, are we ignoring the fact that Lu Zhiyu's Acausality (Type 4) is useless here? Making this match a stomp due to Gu Chensha's Causality, Probability Manipulation, Fate Manipulation and Time Manipulation.
I mean, even type 4 acausals that have resistance and resistance to resistance negation got bound by not only fate but by the destiny (plot) created by Gu Chensha for them.
Gu Chensha also trapped the main character's fate and destiny (and also everyone in the verse).
I mean, even type 4 acausals that have resistance and resistance to resistance negation got bound by not only fate but by the destiny (plot) created by Gu Chensha for them.
Gu Chensha also trapped the main character's fate and destiny (and also everyone in the verse).
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I am still seeing it through my experience of seeing characters who don't lose it, regardless of where they are.
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In that case, I'll accept the gg.
Georredannea15
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Lmao everyone's Acausality type 5's are bombing and it still keeps going.
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Okay..! So 1-A matchups are possible..!
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