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Battle Against a True Creator (Void Shiki vs Lu Zhiyu)

Lynieryz said:
Zhiyu resists being erased. Unlike Fate which has no resistance to Broadway Force.
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Broadway force is very ill defined even within the page. You’d have to underline how exactly his broadway force works. And fate has plenty of erasure resistance
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
It is the level of hax lol.
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No it’s not.
Here’s an example,
A 4d being with baseline death manip (on a 4th dimensional scale) will bypass infinite layers of resistances on a 3D scale. It is a completely different system.
Since shiki and this guy are already the same level of existence, the space time hierarchy which has infinite layers of resistances due to infinite regression of gods won’t work. Bc those are only layers via higher existence, not layers of effectiveness (the ones shiki has)
He would only have the standard 9 layers of death resistance, which is not enough to defend against shiki
 
inkownn said:
Bc those are only layers via higher existence, not layers of effectiveness (the ones shiki has)
He would only have the standard 9 layers of death resistance, which is not enough to defend against shiki
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Bro, Lu Zhiyu is Infinite*Infinite and above, what are even Shiki layers, they're baseline.
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
Bro, Lu Zhiyu is Infinite*Infinite and above, what are even Shiki layers, they're baseline.
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I’ve already explained to you that those aren’t the same type of layers.
Those layers are by being “higher dimensional”
A higher dimensional being ignores all resistances of a lower dimensional being type of layers. This doesn’t matter with shiki because they are the same level of existence, so his layers through hierarchical transcendence is irrelevant. While shiki’s layered hax comes from having a higher potency in Hax. And no don’t be blatantly disingenuous, shiki doesn’t have baseline
“Shiki can cut down anything regardless of its durability by tracing its Lines of Death with an edged weapon, even slicing apart concepts and abstract abilities like Fujino Asagami's telekinesis. “The "lines of death" she cuts are also stated to be on a level higher than the standard concept of death”
Note that the concept of death within fate already contains so many layers via king Hassan and the authorities.
 
inkownn said:
shiki doesn’t have baseline
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Shiki is baseline 1-A, what are you even talking about.
inkownn said:
“Shiki can cut down anything regardless of its durability by tracing its Lines of Death with an edged weapon, even slicing apart concepts and abstract abilities like Fujino Asagami's telekinesis. “The "lines of death" she cuts are also stated to be on a level higher than the standard concept of death”
Note that the concept of death within fate already contains so many layers via king Hassan and the authorities
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Mean shit when the supposed abilities is from Root which is baseline 1-A.
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
Shiki is baseline 1-A, what are you even talking about.

Mean shit when the supposed abilities is from Root which is baseline 1-A.
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MEoDP isn’t an ability she gained from being apart of the void. It’s an ability that she has always had that ignored dimensionally differences and such because of its ability to attack beyond the concept of death. So if you consider say, 4d death a layer above 3D death then it would go past all those said dimensional layers.
Zhiyu’s resistance is a 1-A level resistance coming from being able to resist the ability to control the law of death. And shiki is hitting on a level above this on a 1-A scale
 
inkownn said:
Zhiyu’s resistance is a 1-A level resistance coming from being able to resist the ability to control the law of death. And shiki is hitting on a level above this on a 1-A scale
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WHat the hell?
You don't have any proof where Shiki affecting being beyond baseline 1-A.
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
WHat the hell?
You don't have any proof where Shiki affecting being beyond baseline 1-A.
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You are strawmanning really hard here.

Ok, let’s establish something real quick.
Zhiyu has a baseline 1-A resistance to death inducement via manipulating the law of death
Shiki has a baseline 1-A death inducement, but this death inducement attacks beyond the law of death.

Both have the same level of Hax(baseline 1-A), but varying potency. Shiki is attacking beyond regular conceptual death which is the only thing Zhiyu has shown to resist. He has not shown to resist death beyond the concept of death from someone with his same existential level (the infinite*infinite layers don’t count bc those layers come from dimensional differences, not some sort of high potency. And since shiki and him are on the same existential level it wouldn’t matter)
 
inkownn said:
You are strawmanning really hard here.

Ok, let’s establish something real quick.
Zhiyu has a baseline 1-A resistance to death inducement via manipulating the law of death
Shiki has a baseline 1-A death inducement, but this death inducement attacks beyond the law of death.

Both have the same level of Hax(baseline 1-A), but varying potency. Shiki is attacking beyond regular conceptual death which is the only thing Zhiyu has shown to resist. He has not shown to resist death beyond the concept of death from someone with his same existential level (the infinite*infinite layers don’t count bc those layers come from dimensional differences, not some sort of high potency. And since shiki and him are on the same existential level it wouldn’t matter)
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Bro, these count.
You are the one who straw-manning here.
Nothing ever implied that attacking beyond concept of death are above baseline 1-A.
Anyways, 1-A+ Lu Zhiyu CRT is being created. So hold your horse rn.
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
Bro, these count.
You are the one who straw-manning here.
Nothing ever implied that attacking beyond concept of death are above baseline 1-A.
Anyways, 1-A+ Lu Zhiyu CRT is being created. So hold your horse rn.
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Why do they count? I’ve given reasons why they don’t already.
I didn’t argue it’s above baseline 1-A, I argued her baseline 1-A hax is already higher than his base 1-A resistance.
Fine
 
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either shiki gets upgraded to high 1-a or lu zhiyu gets upgraded to 1-A+

it’s going to be a stomp regardless
 
inkownn said:
Why do they count? I’ve given reasons why they don’t already.
I didn’t argue it’s above baseline 1-A, I argued her baseline 1-A hax is already higher than his base 1-A resistance.
Fine
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Why exactly would it be? There aren't any 1A scaling chains in Nasuverse to my recollection.
 
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